Value of: Klingberg to Calgary.

[Zapp]

??? that's not what he's saying at all. He's saying Calgary consummating a deal between the two clubs because of Calgary's needs.

Calgary has Andersson and Tanev. A RD of Klingberg/Tanev/Andersson is just excessive for no reason.

Flames top 6 C aren't strong enough and we don't have enough RHS players in our top 6. Seguin as a target in general makes sense if the retention and price is right. That's what he means. It has nothing to do with comparing Klingberg and Seguin.

I don't get why Flames fans are doubling down on this goofy ass sentiment but you guys currently do not have a defensemen in the same tier as John Klingberg. Our whole team is struggling production wise because we don't play a system that rewards offensive creativity. Wherever Klingberg goes his production will increase dramatically. If you guys don't want him then just say it so this pointless ass thread can die. It's clear as day you don't have a good beat on his value and are trying to fix it to meet your needs. Klingberg is a right-handed #1D. If you don't recognize the implications of his value solely based upon that fact, there's no discussion to be had. You're not getting a prime defensemen as a rental for pennies on the dollar no matter how cynical your view of him is.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I understand your point , your not understanding mine though . Klingberg is better than all of Calgary’s defenseman . It’s a matter of opinion , so it doesn’t matter .

And I disagree. Klingberg is a good player, thats not up for debate. But Tanev is an elite shutdown defenseman and wont be pushed out of the top 4 and Andersson is an excellent young guy currently out performing Klingberg in all aspects of the game right now

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Well there goes any credibility to this guys opinion lmao. Anyone who would take Seguin over Klingberg right now has no business putting their opinion out their for others to witness.

I'm looking strictly at team needs here. Top 6 RHS center that could be acquired in a change of scenery type deal with Monahan instead of mortgaging the future for a player that isn't remotely needed. How is that a bad opinion?

 

[DJJones]

I don't get why Flames fans are doubling down on this goofy ass sentiment but you guys currently do not have a defensemen in the same tier as John Klingberg. Our whole team is struggling production wise because we don't play a system that rewards offensive creativity. Wherever Klingberg goes his production will increase dramatically. If you guys don't want him then just say it so this pointless ass thread can die. It's clear as day you don't have a good beat on his value and are trying to fix it to meet your needs. Klingberg is a right-handed #1D. If you don't recognize the implications of his value solely based upon that fact, there's no discussion to be had. You're not getting a prime defensemen as a rental for pennies on the dollar no matter how cynical your view of him is.

Ya we don't want him. Stupid thread

 

[RasmusAndersson]

Klingberg is far more than a PP specialist. He's a top 4 d-man.

My point was the Flames don't need the whole package. The last thing they need is another older D-man blocking the development path of their prospects.

If anything, they spend a 2nd on a PP specialist. They don't need to spend the 1st+ it would take to acquire Klingberg, as they don't need another D-man in a top 4 position. Also, Klingberg is great offensive, but he doesn't score goals. They need the d-man that scores goals.

Like I said I agree that giving up those assets for him isn’t worth it for us since we need more help up front and are very solid on RD. But just wondering, what dmen out there score goals? Obviously Makar, but I feel like you’re looking for something that doesn’t exist. Klingberg has an absolute bomb and although he may not be hitting double digits every year there’s maybe 3 dmen who do and those are the elite of the elite offensively and would likely never the traded (Josi, Makar, Carlson, Hedman, Ekblad). Maybe Dougie but after that Klingberg is probably the dman with the best point shot give or take other elite 1D Like Pietrangelo/Theodore or Heiskanen

 

[Figgy44]

I don't get why Flames fans are doubling down on this goofy ass sentiment but you guys currently do not have a defensemen in the same tier as John Klingberg. Our whole team is struggling production wise because we don't play a system that rewards offensive creativity. Wherever Klingberg goes his production will increase dramatically. If you guys don't want him then just say it so this pointless ass thread can die. It's clear as day you don't have a good beat on his value and are trying to fix it to meet your needs. Klingberg is a right-handed #1D. If you don't recognize the implications of his value solely based upon that fact, there's no discussion to be had. You're not getting a prime defensemen as a rental for pennies on the dollar no matter how cynical your view of him is.

What's confusing is that you're talking about a mashed up opinion of multiple Flames posters like we're a weird hive mind here. Not all Flames fans have the same opinion. Quite a few of us would have a similar opinion to you. OP wanted to add Klingberg. Many Flames fans would love Klingberg and he's an upgrade to the roster depending on cost (especially if Dallas specifically wants futures), but it's an unnecessary luxury when the Flames have other serious needs that need more immediate addressing. That's what the poster you quoted was saying, but somehow you interpreted it very differently than what he had posted.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I don't get why Flames fans are doubling down on this goofy ass sentiment but you guys currently do not have a defensemen in the same tier as John Klingberg. Our whole team is struggling production wise because we don't play a system that rewards offensive creativity. Wherever Klingberg goes his production will increase dramatically. If you guys don't want him then just say it so this pointless ass thread can die. It's clear as day you don't have a good beat on his value and are trying to fix it to meet your needs. Klingberg is a right-handed #1D. If you don't recognize the implications of his value solely based upon that fact, there's no discussion to be had. You're not getting a prime defensemen as a rental for pennies on the dollar no matter how cynical your view of him is.

So how is he going to do that under Sutter exactly? Klingberg is not a need by any means in Calgary with their current depth, is not a good fit for their system, and is a rental. Klingberg is a good RHS puck moving defenseman that would fit really well in a high possession and skill based team. Teams like Toronto, Tampa, Florida, Carolina, Colorado, Vegas, Pittsburgh, NYR, and Winnipeg would all be good fits for him (Edmonton too but they have other issues). Heavy forecheck and defensively oriented teams like Calgary, LA, Nashville, Washington, Boston, NYI, and St. Louis are not good fits stylistically.