Value of: Klingberg to Calgary.

[67 others]

Genuinely curious what I am missing here

Other than using a generally considered to be Hack site like Evolving-Hockey? lol

Although I am on your side in this debate, that site is just ripoffs of other advanced stat websites for the most part with some opinions and adjusted bias thrown in. And the fact that they bought followers on twitter always makes me laugh. I guess its only a few hundred dollars and helps them look more followed for business purposes, but it becomes a neon flag when you don't get 30 likes/comments per 1000-1500 followers per post.

i guess it worked. they have become the go to site for making graphs , but their data is still usually funky

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Other than using a generally considered to be Hack site like Evolving-Hockey? lol

Although I am on your side in this debate, that site is just ripoffs of other advanced stat websites for the most part with some opinions and adjusted bias thrown in. And the fact that they bought followers on twitter always makes me laugh. I guess its only a few hundred dollars and helps them look more followed for business purposes, but it becomes a neon flag when you don't get 30 likes/comments per 1000-1500 followers per post.

i guess it worked. they have become the go to site for making graphs , but their data is still usually funky

I doubt anyone cares about your conspiracy theories

 

[McJedi]

Flames 2022 1st + 2023 2nd + 2022 4th for Klingberg?

 

[DingDongCharlie]

If Calgary was after Klingberg and he'd extend. Pelletier + mid pick + Coleman for cap reason's. Calgary could easily afford 8 million long term with Coleman's 4.9 off the books. Coleman goes back to Texas. Dallas was heavily in favour of him before Calgary overpaid. Maybe they are okay at that cap hit if adding a blue chip prospect for a D that's as good as gone.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

If Calgary was after Klingberg and he'd extend. Pelletier + mid pick + Coleman for cap reason's. Calgary could easily afford 8 million long term with Coleman's 4.9 off the books. Coleman goes back to Texas. Dallas was heavily in favour of him before Calgary overpaid. Maybe they are okay at that cap hit if adding a blue chip prospect for a D that's as good as gone.

Lot of poor takes here. Why is Calgary looking to pay 8M to upgrade their 3rd pair? How is 4.9M an overpay for an effective 2nd line winger? When was the last time a pending UFA returned a bluechip prospect like Pelletier?

 

[FameFlame069]

We're not paying him 8M, I personally wouldn't pay him more than 6M for 4 years

 

[BfantZ]

Lot of poor takes here. Why is Calgary looking to pay 8M to upgrade their 3rd pair? How is 4.9M an overpay for an effective 2nd line winger? When was the last time a pending UFA returned a bluechip prospect like Pelletier?

3rd pair lol now that’s trolling .

 

[67 others]

I doubt anyone cares about your conspiracy theories

Lol. It's not a conspiracy theory there champ. It's a pretty common opinion about that site on Reddit that evolving-hockey is 3rd rate stats, but easy graphs and a like/comment counting/per follower known method for sniffing out if someone's followers are real.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

3rd pair lol now that’s trolling .

How so? Flames right side is very strong. Adding a powerplay specialist isn't going to push either of them down. There is a reason I've said Klingberg makes zero sense for Calgary multiple times this thread

 

[BfantZ]

How so? Flames right side is very strong. Adding a powerplay specialist isn't going to push either of them down. There is a reason I've said Klingberg makes zero sense for Calgary multiple times this thread

Klingberg would immediately be your top dman . He’s not just a pp specialist .

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Klingberg would immediately be your top dman . He’s not just a pp specialist .

He wouldn't but even if he did, he's been abysmal at 5v5 for 3 years. He"s the kind of dman that would work well in a high possession team, thats not Calgary. Even if he does play top 4 thats still moving a top 4 dman to the 3rd pair.

He'll be traded to a team that needs/wants to upgrade their right side. He's a waste of assets and cap space for the Flames

 

[Volica]

3rd pair lol now that’s trolling .

The issue is where it slots everyone.

Hanifin - Andersson
have done a really good job all year as a sort of first pairing in Calgary.

Kylington - Tanev
are, especially in the advanced statistic world, a high end pairing as well.

Our top 4 on defence has been one of main reasons for Calgary's huge leap this year, you can start them anywhere, against anyone, and likely come out ahead. Not sure you want to mess with that with a 8M dollar longterm investment (also considering Razzy, Kylington and Hanifin are all under 25 years old).

 

[Starry Knight]

The Stars are a poorly coached team and have been for nearly 4 years. Take all stats for Stars players you see with a big grain of salt.

Under proper coaching that can utilize Klingberg's strengths, he'll put up a ton of points. There's only a handful of players better in the league at helming a powerplay.

 

[blankall]

A PP specialist? Won't get much better than Klingberg there

This is a weird take... Coming from a Flames fan Klingberg is about the best offensive dman we could possibly find and is definitely the #1 offensive d available this year. I agree he'll probably cost too much to be worth acquiring when we really need scoring help up front, but his 1 goal is not representative of his offensive skill. He has an absolute cannon and is one of the top PP QB's in the league

Klingberg is far more than a PP specialist. He's a top 4 d-man.

My point was the Flames don't need the whole package. The last thing they need is another older D-man blocking the development path of their prospects.

If anything, they spend a 2nd on a PP specialist. They don't need to spend the 1st+ it would take to acquire Klingberg, as they don't need another D-man in a top 4 position. Also, Klingberg is great offensive, but he doesn't score goals. They need the d-man that scores goals.

 

[blankall]

Klingberg would immediately be your top dman . He’s not just a pp specialist .

I disagree. In any event, the Flames aren't looking to replace their #1 d-man (or anyone in their top 4 for that matter). They want a #5 with a great shot on the PP. They don't even need a d-man to QB the PP, just the howitzer shot from the point.

 

[DJJones]

Unless Tanev is the main piece I don't see how this makes any sense for Calgary.

Not to mention it makes no sense at all from a cap perspective.

 

[BfantZ]

I disagree. In any event, the Flames aren't looking to replace their #1 d-man (or anyone in their top 4 for that matter). They want a #5 with a great shot on the PP. They don't even need a d-man to QB the PP, just the howitzer shot from the point.

Maybe you guys don’t need a top pairing d man but If he was on your team , however he was acquired . He would be among the top 2 in ice time among your dmen.

 

[kanucks25]

Nope not trolling. It’s fine if you don’t like the guy but Tanev is not one of the best shutdown defenseman in the entire league. Maybe best in Calgary but there is a long list in front of him. Sure the others are highly paid and Tanev is cheap but there is a reason for that. Klingberg is a far superior player to Tanev. That’s the point. Not rental vs term.

Yep, trolling.

But I don't blame you. Calgary fans probably thought the same thing when Canucks fans would talk up Tanev.

He's just a player you need to watch everyday to appreciate because he'll never show up on highlight reels. And of course his underlying numbers will be disregarded if it fits the argument to do so.

Very few players in the league have been able to defend against top players in the league as consistently and effectively as Tanev over the past 8-9 years.

 

[kanucks25]

Genuinely curious what I am missing here

What timeline/seasons does this WAR chart cover?

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Maybe you guys don’t need a top pairing d man but If he was on your team , however he was acquired . He would be among the top 2 in ice time among your dmen.

Highly debatable, he doesnt PK and both Tanev and Andersson are better at 5v5.

Nobody is saying he is a bad player. Just not a fit at all. Look at it from this perspective, lets say Dallas was in a playoff spot right now. Do you think they would be looking to add Fleury at the deadline? Probably not. I could argue "but if Fleury was on your team, however he was acquired, he would stsrt the vast majority of games." So even if Klingberg were to play top 4 in Calgary and have the 2nd most minutes acquiring him is still extremely poor asset management for the Flames here as defense (especially RD) is so far down the list of needs.

I personally would sooner inquire about Seguin

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

What timeline/seasons does this WAR chart cover?

That was last year. Tanev took over 1st place from Fox during those last couple games vs Vancouver. (That was posted by JFresh on twitter)

 

[treple13]

This is just poorly thought out. Calgary has no need for Klingberg. Ideally we need a 3rd pairing offensive left side guy, but we're not paying Klingberg prices for that.

If Calgary is spending, it will be on a 2nd line forward

 

[BfantZ]

Highly debatable, he doesnt PK and both Tanev and Andersson are better at 5v5.

Nobody is saying he is a bad player. Just not a fit at all. Look at it from this perspective, lets say Dallas was in a playoff spot right now. Do you think they would be looking to add Fleury at the deadline? Probably not. I could argue "but if Fleury was on your team, however he was acquired, he would stsrt the vast majority of games." So even if Klingberg were to play top 4 in Calgary and have the 2nd most minutes acquiring him is still extremely poor asset management for the Flames here as defense (especially RD) is so far down the list of needs.

I personally would sooner inquire about Seguin

I understand your point , your not understanding mine though . Klingberg is better than all of Calgary’s defenseman . It’s a matter of opinion , so it doesn’t matter .

 

[Zapp]

Highly debatable, he doesnt PK and both Tanev and Andersson are better at 5v5.

Nobody is saying he is a bad player. Just not a fit at all. Look at it from this perspective, lets say Dallas was in a playoff spot right now. Do you think they would be looking to add Fleury at the deadline? Probably not. I could argue "but if Fleury was on your team, however he was acquired, he would stsrt the vast majority of games." So even if Klingberg were to play top 4 in Calgary and have the 2nd most minutes acquiring him is still extremely poor asset management for the Flames here as defense (especially RD) is so far down the list of needs.

I personally would sooner inquire about Seguin

Well there goes any credibility to this guys opinion lmao. Anyone who would take Seguin over Klingberg right now has no business putting their opinion out their for others to witness.

 

[Figgy44]

Well there goes any credibility to this guys opinion lmao. Anyone who would take Seguin over Klingberg right now has no business putting their opinion out their for others to witness.

??? that's not what he's saying at all. He's saying Calgary consummating a deal between the two clubs because of Calgary's needs.

Calgary has Andersson and Tanev. A RD of Klingberg/Tanev/Andersson is just excessive for no reason.

Flames top 6 C aren't strong enough and we don't have enough RHS players in our top 6. Seguin as a target in general makes sense if the retention and price is right. That's what he means. It has nothing to do with comparing Klingberg and Seguin.