Value of: Klingberg to Calgary.

[BleedBlue14]

I suppose you have to take into account the difference in cap situations from 2017 to now. I imagine contending teams would have been much more inclined to pay up for an asset they would end up retaining for a few years vs a rental back then. The cap was still going up each year.

Now, the cap is only scheduled to go up $1M and likely delay any significant upward movement with the transformer variant still raging. Take that and also the fact that most, if not all of the interested teams are up against the cap already, and you have to think that most view Klingberg strictly as a rental.

I’m a Canes fan. I certainly wouldn’t mind the Canes acquiring Klingberg, depending on the ask, but I’m under no illusion that he’d be sticking around, just no cap room next year with all the young guys to sign. I think that same situation would play out across the league with whoever ends up with him.

Good points. I think Klingberg is a really fantastic player, but I also agree that chances are he’s dealt to a team that’s unable to pay him what he’s going to ask for in a raise.

I just brought up the sign and trade with Shattenkirk because there was actually a lot of reports of the Drouin trade having quite a bit of legs, and that ultimately it didn’t work out because the player held almost all of the leverage in that event

 

[ZeHockeyFan]

Definitely not, with an attitude like that.

Lol!!

 

[ZeHockeyFan]

Yeah, likely him wanting that 8M is the sticking point on the defensive end.
Flames have a very young, cost controlled, great blueline.

Would Klingberg improve the backend? You bet.
Do we have the cap to make it work? Probably not.
Are we a Klingberg away from being an incredible team? Probably not.

He deserves that money. If Nill is perceptive enough, then he will look for a team that will be an environment for more sustainable success than Klinger has had with the Stars and where he is likely to extend. That's how he maximizes his return and that's how it becomes a win for all parties involved.

 

[blankall]

Meh...What the Flames actually need is a howitzer from the point that can score goals. Klingberg's 1 goal so far this season, doesn't really suggest he's the answer. Klingberg is definitely a great all around d-man that can eat up minutes, but, if anything, the Flames have a shortage of ice time on defence.

I'd rather see the Flames hold onto any decent assets and acquire a PP specialist.

 

[Kcb12345]

Meh...What the Flames actually need is a howitzer from the point that can score goals. Klingberg's 1 goal so far this season, doesn't really suggest he's the answer. Klingberg is definitely a great all around d-man that can eat up minutes, but, if anything, the Flames have a shortage of ice time on defence.

I'd rather see the Flames hold onto any decent assets and acquire a PP specialist.

A PP specialist? Won't get much better than Klingberg there

 

[IGGY2JOHNNY]

This makes zero sense. The trio of Flames RD have been very solid this season. A Klingberg deal pushes Tanev/Andersson to the 3rd pair and Gudbranson to 7D which is really unnecessary and a waste of assets. Not to mention with the glut of UFA/RFAs Calgary has to resign, there would be next to 0 chance of them retaining Klingberg past this season

 

[RasmusAndersson]

Meh...What the Flames actually need is a howitzer from the point that can score goals. Klingberg's 1 goal so far this season, doesn't really suggest he's the answer. Klingberg is definitely a great all around d-man that can eat up minutes, but, if anything, the Flames have a shortage of ice time on defence.

I'd rather see the Flames hold onto any decent assets and acquire a PP specialist.

This is a weird take... Coming from a Flames fan Klingberg is about the best offensive dman we could possibly find and is definitely the #1 offensive d available this year. I agree he'll probably cost too much to be worth acquiring when we really need scoring help up front, but his 1 goal is not representative of his offensive skill. He has an absolute cannon and is one of the top PP QB's in the league

 

[RalphKing]

Flames should be in on JT Miller, or another 2C, not another Dman.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

It would have to be a bigger deal like

Tanev + first + prospect

for

Klingberg + Pavelski

then I could see it making sense for the Flames. I think Dallas would get more trading them separately

 

[Ainsy01]

The only call CGY should be making to Dallas is on Pavelskiiiiii bring little Joe to cow town please goddddddddddddddd

 

[Rory]

It would have to be a bigger deal like

Tanev + first + prospect

for

Klingberg + Pavelski

then I could see it making sense for the Flames. I think Dallas would get more trading them separately

Well that depends on the prospect. Based on what you are proposing that prospect is will be very high end which most fans will not like in Calgary.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

It would have to be a bigger deal like

Tanev + first + prospect

for

Klingberg + Pavelski

then I could see it making sense for the Flames. I think Dallas would get more trading them separately

Tanev for 2 pending UFA's? No thanks

 

[Starry Knight]

It would have to be a bigger deal like

Tanev + first + prospect

for

Klingberg + Pavelski

then I could see it making sense for the Flames. I think Dallas would get more trading them separately

The prospect would have to be Coronato or Pelletier for Pavelski and Klingberg; They are pretty much the two top rentals available. I'd have to imagine only JT Miller will be fetching as much or more.

Even then, the Stars could probably get a first + a B prospect for each Pavs and Klingberg separately, which makes such a deal rather unpalatable.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

The prospect would have to be Coronato or Pelletier for Pavelski and Klingberg; They are pretty much the two top rentals available. I'd have to imagine only JT Miller will be fetching as much or more.

Even then, the Stars could probably get a first + a B prospect for each Pavs and Klingberg separately, which makes such a deal rather unpalatable.

How does that make sense of Tanev has more value than Klingberg? Pavs doesnt justify either of those prospects

 

[Starry Knight]

How does that make sense of Tanev has more value than Klingberg? Pavs doesnt justify either of those prospects

I barely even registered Tanev was in the deal. I don't think the Stars need a 32yo D considering it should be retooling time for a broken, old team.

I don't necessarily disagree with your point about prospects; Rentals rarely get elite prospects. But for the two best rentals, I'd imagine something of the sort would be required.

 

[FirstRowUpperDeck]

This is a weird take... Coming from a Flames fan Klingberg is about the best offensive dman we could possibly find and is definitely the #1 offensive d available this year. I agree he'll probably cost too much to be worth acquiring when we really need scoring help up front, but his 1 goal is not representative of his offensive skill. He has an absolute cannon and is one of the top PP QB's in the league

No cannon. His specialties are dancing the blue line to open up shot lanes, and putting wrist shots through tight spaces where they can go in, or get tipped. This year, it seems most have been tipped. Other years, he has had more goals, but he is still about the same offensive player.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I barely even registered Tanev was in the deal. I don't think the Stars need a 32yo D considering it should be retooling time for a broken, old team.

I don't necessarily disagree with your point about prospects; Rentals rarely get elite prospects. But for the two best rentals, I'd imagine something of the sort would be required.

Oh don't get me wrong, the proposal was bad all together.

 

[Rory]

How does that make sense of Tanev has more value than Klingberg? Pavs doesnt justify either of those prospects

Tanev has more value than Klingberg? I see where this went wrong. Klingberg has far more value. It’s fine if you don’t want to move futures for a cup run but don’t throw out a clear lie that no one will believe.

 

[67 others]

It just doesn’t make sense for the Flames. They need a PP QB but D is not the issue.

Kylington is the most talented Defenseman on the flames and gets very little powerplay time. Sutter prefers to use Anderssen and Hanifin despite them being quite inferior offensively.

 

[67 others]

When’s the last time a rhd as good as klingberg on a cheap 4.5m was available at the deadline ? Serious question .

Shattenkirk

 

[Rory]

Kylington is the most talented Defenseman on the flames and gets very little powerplay time. Sutter prefers to use Anderssen and Hanifin despite them being quite inferior offensively.

Coaches…want to switch? Sutter for Bowness.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Tanev has more value than Klingberg? I see where this went wrong. Klingberg has far more value. It’s fine if you don’t want to move futures for a cup run but don’t throw out a clear lie that no one will believe.

You are trolling if you think Klingberg as a rental has more value than one of the best shutdown defensemen in the entire NHL who has term

 

[Rory]

You are trolling if you think Klingberg as a rental has more value than one of the best shutdown defensemen in the entire NHL who has term

Nope not trolling. It’s fine if you don’t like the guy but Tanev is not one of the best shutdown defenseman in the entire league. Maybe best in Calgary but there is a long list in front of him. Sure the others are highly paid and Tanev is cheap but there is a reason for that. Klingberg is a far superior player to Tanev. That’s the point. Not rental vs term.

 

[67 others]

Nope not trolling. It’s fine if you don’t like the guy but Tanev is not one of the best shutdown defenseman in the entire league. Maybe best in Calgary but there is a long list in front of him. Sure the others are highly paid and Tanev is cheap but there is a reason for that. Klingberg is a far superior player to Tanev. That’s the point. Not rental vs term.

Im a sharks fan and, yes, Tanev is one of the best shutdown D in the league. if you don't think so you don't watch enough games. He is up there in or near a top tier with Slavin, Pesce, Brodin, Pelech for stay at home D and that's not really a disputed thing.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Nope not trolling. It’s fine if you don’t like the guy but Tanev is not one of the best shutdown defenseman in the entire league. Maybe best in Calgary but there is a long list in front of him. Sure the others are highly paid and Tanev is cheap but there is a reason for that. Klingberg is a far superior player to Tanev. That’s the point. Not rental vs term.

Genuinely curious what I am missing here