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Do the NHL record books even count a victory over Toronto as a playoff win?All i want is to make the playoffs, eliminate the Leafs in round 1 then i'm happy lol
Do the NHL record books even count a victory over Toronto as a playoff win?All i want is to make the playoffs, eliminate the Leafs in round 1 then i'm happy lol
Do the NHL record books even count a victory over Toronto as a playoff win?
Nobody thought LA was a playoff team last year, but they got Danault and Arvidsson and some kids stepped up and they made the playoffs.
Shit can happen in a bad division.
And while our division isn't bad, with what's in store for Boston, we're clearly much better suited to leapfrog them this year than we were last year.
Unfortunately for the playoff crowd, the Atlantic is pretty stacked. It's possible that Washington falls out. Or maybe Pittsburgh. But in general, it feels like there's too much talent in the Atlantic to allow a so-so team to take a wildcard spot from our division.
The other issue Detroit may face is that Ottawa and Buffalo should also be improved.
I'm thrilled we got Copp and Chiarot.
These guys are a step up from the Filppula/Nemeth signings.
They're not superstars, but they're good players near the top of their game.
I think this team stays in the hunt for a wildcard spot until at least the All-Star break before things start to fall apart.
If we do upset someone, I hope it’s Tampa. More on ice bad blood for sure and will be a bigger mental boon of slaying the giant. Will be tough, but if we manage to sneak in, I think we will look more comfortable playing playoff hockey than most would think. Given a fortuitous matchup and potential injuries I think this team is capable of winning a round should we make it. Also, when I’m staying there for parts of the year their drivers piss me off and they don’t deserve nice things.All i want is to make the playoffs, eliminate the Leafs in round 1 then i'm happy lol
All i want is to make the playoffs, eliminate the Leafs in round 1 then i'm happy lol
Imagine that. That would so be the maple syrups.. I’d pour syrup all over myself if that happened. Such a leaf move too.All i want is to make the playoffs, eliminate the Leafs in round 1 then i'm happy lol
If we do upset someone, I hope it’s Tampa. More on ice bad blood for sure and will be a bigger mental boon of slaying the giant. Will be tough, but if we manage to sneak in, I think we will look more comfortable playing playoff hockey than most would think. Given a fortuitous matchup and potential injuries I think this team is capable of winning a round should we make it. Also, when I’m staying there for parts of the year their drivers piss me off and they don’t deserve nice things.
I also just get a gut feeling we have one more big move coming in way of a trade. And I think Yzerman may surprise us with the caliber of player we get. Our prospect cupboard is stocked like an obese doomsday prepper’s fridge. Given how many of their timelines coincide, no one outside of Edvinsson and Kasper should be off the table.
Aged 22 he put up 97 points in 74 games, and is now at 26 a Stanley Cup winning superstar with a career PPG better than 1 and about 1.25 in the playoffs.Color me skeptical. I think it’s crazy to put on ANY player that they’re worth tanking a season for. Hell, Nathan MacKinnon was supposed to be that guy and he eventually did become that guy, but he got that 6M extension for a reason. MacKinnon was a 50-60 point C for several years.
Steve Yzerman isn't the GM of the TigersChris Ilitch also said that the Tigers rebuild is over.
It's pretty entertaining when people say the Wings should be tanking more than they are because the current path that Yzerman has chosen is "too risky." As if further tanking, with bad lottery odds, a good chance at alienating your star players, cementing your franchise as a place for free agents to avoid, and further pushing your fan base away. etc. etc.... is not more risky.
Risk.
Yeah.
Detroit is taking about the least risky path forward there is, given all the realities in the modern NHL. If you want the tank to continue, please come up with a better argument than "risk."
Aged 22 he put up 97 points in 74 games, and is now at 26 a Stanley Cup winning superstar with a career PPG better than 1 and about 1.25 in the playoffs.
I get the point you are making, but there are very few worse examples you could have picked!
Really? We were? With most teams (Boston) playing 5 less games, not to mention lots of teams playing with ghost rosters for a long time due to covid outbreaks?Think about It, we were in the playoffs come November last year with Danny Dekeyser, Marc staal, and Thomas Greiss lol.
We added Perron, Copp, Kubalik, Husso, healthy Vrana + maybe Edvinsson. I have faith we make the playoffs this year
Aged 22 he put up 97 points in 74 games, and is now at 26 a Stanley Cup winning superstar with a career PPG better than 1 and about 1.25 in the playoffs.
I get the point you are making, but there are very few worse examples you could have picked!
We are a motley crew...He was as big a hit as you could hope for in the draft and half of these assholes that rip every pick would have been clamoring for him to be gone or that he wasn't a true 1C by year 2.
Yeah, no one is saying the tanking up until this off-season was wrong. Haven't seen a single person even imply that. And drafting good players does not attract good players. Having good players on the NHL roster helps attract good players. As does having Steve Yzerman as GM. Several of the new signings talked about Yzerman as a big part of coming to Detroit. No one mentioned Simon Edvinsson.You act like this same move forward could never be taken if a team chose to tank 1-2 more seasons. Drafting good players attracts good players. Why do you think we got landed the guys we did this off-season. Is it because we tanked and got Seider, Raymond, Edvinsson, etc. If we didn't tank and didn't get those players how would we have attracted these free agents? Maybe if they would have kept Helm, etc and kept plugging the roster to avoid tanking these last few years top free agents would have been drawn to that?
So, finishing bad and drafting good has led to some good things for us thus far you would agree, obviously? With that said, how can you possibly give anyone crap that would prefer to see the team continue that for another season or two? How is it that crazy of an idea to you?
Yeah, no one is saying the tanking up until this off-season was wrong. Haven't seen a single person even imply that. And drafting good players does not attract good players. Having good players on the NHL roster helps attract good players. As does having Steve Yzerman as GM. Several of the new signings talked about Yzerman as a big part of coming to Detroit. No one mentioned Simon Edvinsson.
Regardless, we did it. Detroit did it. They did the tank, they acquired the good players in the draft, and now we've attracted some decent UFAs. It's time to build up. Tanking at this point, with new young firepower and the team on the upswing, would be potentially disastrous. Detroit would risk alienating their core, creating a losing culture for the youngsters, and drive away UFAs.
There's a point at which tanking has to cease. We're there. The risks of further tanking outweigh the benefits.
Fin.
The Sabres have all kinds of players who look pretty good right now.Buffalo has Eric Comrie and Craig Anderson in net. That's easily a bottom 5, maybe even bottom 3 goaltending tandem. Their defense is not really good defensively. And they have 5 NHL forwards worth a damn that aren't rookies. Buffalo overachieved last year to hit 75 points. I don't expect them to be much better than that next year.
Ottawa added Giroux and DeBrincat. Both good additions but is DeBrincat a 40 goal guy away from Patrick Kane? Is Giroux still a point per game scorer? And same as Buffalo their current top defenseman isn't very good at defense. Talbot is a clear upgrade on Matt Murray but on paper Ottawa has improved less than people on the mains believe. They're probably closer to an 85-90 point team. I'm betting they finish between 9th and 11th in the conference. Still, they'll steal points from Toronto as a divisional rival more than anything.
I bet Colorado fans regret tanking after winning the cup.
I would tank for 10 years if the end result was I could watch Mackinnon and company every night. Mackinnon taking a minute to hit full stride was a blessing, it aloud Colorado a lot of cap savings.
Oh wait I do, I adopted Avs as my #2 team 3 seasons ago and watch most of their games. Not because I like anything to do with Colorado, but because these young highly drafted superstars make up the most exciting team I have ever seen.
2008-09 | Colorado Avalanche | NHL | Northwest | 82 | 32 | 45 | 0 | 1 | 4 | 69 | 0.421 | 199 | 257 | 1062 | 15429 | Tony Granato | Out of Playoffs |
2009-10 | Colorado Avalanche | NHL | Northwest | 82 | 43 | 30 | 0 | 4 | 5 | 95 | 0.579 | 244 | 233 | 1027 | 13947 | Joe Sacco | Lost in round 1 |
2010-11 | Colorado Avalanche | NHL | Northwest | 82 | 30 | 44 | 0 | 7 | 1 | 68 | 0.415 | 227 | 288 | 1077 | 14820 | Joe Sacco | Out of Playoffs |
2011-12 | Colorado Avalanche | NHL | Northwest | 82 | 41 | 35 | 0 | 4 | 2 | 88 | 0.537 | 208 | 220 | 15499 | Joe Sacco | Out of Playoffs | |
2012-13 | Colorado Avalanche | NHL | Northwest | 48 | 16 | 25 | 0 | 5 | 2 | 39 | 0.406 | 116 | 152 | 15445 | Joe Sacco | Out of Playoffs | |
2013-14 | Colorado Avalanche | NHL | Central | 82 | 52 | 22 | 0 | 4 | 4 | 112 | 0.683 | 250 | 220 | 891 | 16296 | Patrick Roy | Lost in round 1 |
2014-15 | Colorado Avalanche | NHL | Central | 82 | 39 | 31 | 0 | 8 | 4 | 90 | 0.549 | 219 | 227 | 16177 | Patrick Roy | Out of Playoffs | |
2015-16 | Colorado Avalanche | NHL | Central | 82 | 39 | 39 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 82 | 0.500 | 216 | 240 | 17032 | Patrick Roy | Out of Playoffs | |
2016-17 | Colorado Avalanche | NHL | Central | 82 | 22 | 56 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 48 | 0.293 | 166 | 278 | 14835 | Jared Bednar | Out of Playoffs | |
2017-18 | Colorado Avalanche | NHL | Central | 82 | 43 | 30 | 0 | 8 | 1 | 95 | 0.579 | 257 | 237 | 15587 | Jared Bednar | Lost in round 1 | |
2018-19 | Colorado Avalanche | NHL | Central | 82 | 38 | 30 | 0 | 12 | 2 | 90 | 0.549 | 260 | 246 | 17133 | Jared Bednar | Lost in round 2 | |
2019-20 | Colorado Avalanche | NHL | Central | 70 | 42 | 20 | 0 | 7 | 1 | 92 | 0.657 | 237 | 191 | 18708 | Jared Bednar | Lost in round 2 | |
2020-21 | Colorado Avalanche | NHL | West | 56 | 39 | 13 | 0 | 3 | 1 | 82 | 0.732 | 197 | 133 | Jared Bednar | Lost in round 2 | ||
2021-22 | Colorado Avalanche | NHL | Central | 82 | 56 | 19 | 0 | 5 | 2 | 119 | 0.726 | 312 | 234 | 17499 | Jared Bednar | Won Championship |
Can you please make a graph like this for Detroit over the last 10 years?Colorado didn't tank for 10 years. And outside of 2016-17 where everything went wrong I wouldn't say they tanked at all.
2008-09 Colorado Avalanche NHL Northwest 82 32 45 0 1 4 69 0.421 199 257 1062 15429 Tony Granato Out of Playoffs 2009-10 Colorado Avalanche NHL Northwest 82 43 30 0 4 5 95 0.579 244 233 1027 13947 Joe Sacco Lost in round 1 2010-11 Colorado Avalanche NHL Northwest 82 30 44 0 7 1 68 0.415 227 288 1077 14820 Joe Sacco Out of Playoffs 2011-12 Colorado Avalanche NHL Northwest 82 41 35 0 4 2 88 0.537 208 220 15499 Joe Sacco Out of Playoffs 2012-13 Colorado Avalanche NHL Northwest 48 16 25 0 5 2 39 0.406 116 152 15445 Joe Sacco Out of Playoffs 2013-14 Colorado Avalanche NHL Central 82 52 22 0 4 4 112 0.683 250 220 891 16296 Patrick Roy Lost in round 1 2014-15 Colorado Avalanche NHL Central 82 39 31 0 8 4 90 0.549 219 227 16177 Patrick Roy Out of Playoffs 2015-16 Colorado Avalanche NHL Central 82 39 39 0 4 0 82 0.500 216 240 17032 Patrick Roy Out of Playoffs 2016-17 Colorado Avalanche NHL Central 82 22 56 0 2 2 48 0.293 166 278 14835 Jared Bednar Out of Playoffs 2017-18 Colorado Avalanche NHL Central 82 43 30 0 8 1 95 0.579 257 237 15587 Jared Bednar Lost in round 1 2018-19 Colorado Avalanche NHL Central 82 38 30 0 12 2 90 0.549 260 246 17133 Jared Bednar Lost in round 2 2019-20 Colorado Avalanche NHL Central 70 42 20 0 7 1 92 0.657 237 191 18708 Jared Bednar Lost in round 2 2020-21 Colorado Avalanche NHL West 56 39 13 0 3 1 82 0.732 197 133 Jared Bednar Lost in round 2 2021-22 Colorado Avalanche NHL Central 82 56 19 0 5 2 119 0.726 312 234 17499 Jared Bednar Won Championship
Colorado didn't tank for 10 years. And outside of 2016-17 where everything went wrong I wouldn't say they tanked at all.
2008-09 Colorado Avalanche NHL Northwest 82 32 45 0 1 4 69 0.421 199 257 1062 15429 Tony Granato Out of Playoffs 2009-10 Colorado Avalanche NHL Northwest 82 43 30 0 4 5 95 0.579 244 233 1027 13947 Joe Sacco Lost in round 1 2010-11 Colorado Avalanche NHL Northwest 82 30 44 0 7 1 68 0.415 227 288 1077 14820 Joe Sacco Out of Playoffs 2011-12 Colorado Avalanche NHL Northwest 82 41 35 0 4 2 88 0.537 208 220 15499 Joe Sacco Out of Playoffs 2012-13 Colorado Avalanche NHL Northwest 48 16 25 0 5 2 39 0.406 116 152 15445 Joe Sacco Out of Playoffs 2013-14 Colorado Avalanche NHL Central 82 52 22 0 4 4 112 0.683 250 220 891 16296 Patrick Roy Lost in round 1 2014-15 Colorado Avalanche NHL Central 82 39 31 0 8 4 90 0.549 219 227 16177 Patrick Roy Out of Playoffs 2015-16 Colorado Avalanche NHL Central 82 39 39 0 4 0 82 0.500 216 240 17032 Patrick Roy Out of Playoffs 2016-17 Colorado Avalanche NHL Central 82 22 56 0 2 2 48 0.293 166 278 14835 Jared Bednar Out of Playoffs 2017-18 Colorado Avalanche NHL Central 82 43 30 0 8 1 95 0.579 257 237 15587 Jared Bednar Lost in round 1 2018-19 Colorado Avalanche NHL Central 82 38 30 0 12 2 90 0.549 260 246 17133 Jared Bednar Lost in round 2 2019-20 Colorado Avalanche NHL Central 70 42 20 0 7 1 92 0.657 237 191 18708 Jared Bednar Lost in round 2 2020-21 Colorado Avalanche NHL West 56 39 13 0 3 1 82 0.732 197 133 Jared Bednar Lost in round 2 2021-22 Colorado Avalanche NHL Central 82 56 19 0 5 2 119 0.726 312 234 17499 Jared Bednar Won Championship