Post-Game Talk: Kittens tamed Jets win 6-4

[bustamente]

good point about the clunky migration process killing voter turn out. My snarky tone notwithstanding bad news does seem to sell better or at least lead to our “suggestion box” overflowing.

No doubt about bad news there is always a bunch of posters that you wont see until a loss. Last night a bunch of regular were either at the Bombers game or the Jets game like yourself and I know that when I'm at a game the phone stays in the pocket and I enjoy the game and the atmosphere.

 

[BoneDocUK]

Well it's generally true that a loss brings out the doomsayers the site last night was a mess, very slow and a few server errors to boot, the migration has not gone well, either that or all the Leafs fans were jumping of the ledges.

Yep. All the good ledges were taken.

Site clogged for a good long while last night. And I expect traffic jams claimed a few other posters.

One benefit of the added passing nous on D has been the speed with which the team is able to get on the rush in the unlikely event it leaves our zone. Speed off the rush is dangerous, and its lethal when you have players who can shoot at the levels of 55, KFC, Ehlers, and soon (more regularly) Ves. Seems like it's been a while since we saw this many quick transitions to a dangerous rush.

Also prefer the look of the more varied PP. Sure, it looks a bit clumsy, with fewer threaded passes, but there's more shooting lanes and far more movement, just less predictable.

NSH is a weaker cycle team, esp during the 5-10 mins per game where Josi isn't on the ice. We are going to be in tough once we draw the speed/cycle giants of the league until our leaky peaky D/PK schemes are revised.

 

[SUX2BU]

So, what the migration a success or is it going through pains like Montreal and the Toronto game last night?

 

[johnnyonthspot]

I couldn’t imagine a worse move. Especially with him having a cap hit a couple million below current market value. I guess you also didn’t watch the playoffs last couple seasons after Scheifele went out. Offence completely dried up.

It is interesting how people focus on the past but fail to see the future when it is emerging before us. The past 2 games are a small sample size of a world without him. It will be just fine provided his value can be used to get a top dman.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

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I have said this before and got lambasted but the Jets should trade Scheif and they shoukd be able to get a top dman in return??

Only on this forum, LOL. Unbelievable.

There would be 31 NHL teams lining up to get a chance at a player like Scheifele.

 

[larmex99]

Only on this forum, LOL. Unbelievable.

There would be 31 NHL teams lining up to get a chance at a player like Scheifele.

Sometimes it is just nice to have someone on ignore so I don’t have to convulse over ridiculous posts. I don’t mean you, but whichever poster you are replying to. Ignorance is bliss.

 

[BatVader]

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I have said this before and got lambasted but the Jets should trade Scheif and they shoukd be able to get a top dman in return??

While I agree Scheif needs to get his head out of his ass now and then, we are lucky in that we have guys like Stastny, PLD, Lowry, etc… who can step in as leaders when our team leadership goes out with injury or illness.
This team, without Scheif long term, isn’t a Cup contender.
Now Wheeler, I think we could replace… though his production last year was still really good, so that’s probably better revisited in the offseason if his production tanks.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

Only on this forum, LOL. Unbelievable.

There would be 31 NHL teams lining up to get a chance at a player like Scheifele.

Great let's see what his value is. Sell high not when his value is low. This team needs a top dman.
What have the Jets acheived with him?

 

[johnnyonthspot]

While I agree Scheif needs to get his head out of his ass now and then, we are lucky in that we have guys like Stastny, PLD, Lowry, etc… who can step in as leaders when our team leadership goes out with injury or illness.
This team, without Scheif long term, isn’t a Cup contender.
Now Wheeler, I think we could replace… though his production last year was still really good, so that’s probably better revisited in the offseason if his production tanks.

Fair enough but Wheeler's value is low and moving him would not address the glaring weakness on the team. I think the Jets are in good shape at centre without him.

 

[tbcwpg]

Great let's see what his value is. Sell high not when his value is low. This team needs a top dman.
What have the Jets acheived with him?

Last season, a 4 game sweep of the Oilers. Without him, being swept 4 games by the Canadiens.

You'll never get what his perceived value is in a trade. He isn't going for a top D-man. No team trading for Scheifele is giving up a top D man because the reason to trade for him is to improve your Cup chances, not make a lateral move.

 

[Jet]

Fair enough but Wheeler's value is low and moving him would not address the glaring weakness on the team. I think the Jets are in good shape at centre without him.

What's the glaring weakness on the team? Also the value to moving Wheeler (not advocating for it) is the cap gain not the asset return.

 

[Howard Chuck]

I really enjoyed the hustle overall last night. Might be the best 60 minute effort I’ve seen from the Jets in a long time.

The PP was infinitely better when they were forced to wing it without the old ‘give it to Wheeler and watch him go for same cross ice pass everytime’. Passing was very good and opened up lots of good looks.

I hate to say it, but I’m not looking forward to Wheeler coming back if it means reverting to the same PP and 5x5 lineup/TOI.

We look like we have very good depth, I hope we continue to use it.

 

[Ducky10]

It is interesting how people focus on the past but fail to see the future when it is emerging before us. The past 2 games are a small sample size of a world without him. It will be just fine provided his value can be used to get a top dman.

The future for this team without Scheifele is grimm, not even debatable. This is like the "look we always win without Enstrom" argument on steroids.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

What's the glaring weakness on the team? Also the value to moving Wheeler (not advocating for it) is the cap gain not the asset return.

Fair enough moving wheeler to free up cap space is a good move for next season but I think they need a quality stay at home dman. I do not think Dillon is the answer but a complementary piece to him would be nice.

 

[Jet]

Fair enough moving wheeler to free up cap space is a good move for next season but I think they need a quality stay at home dman. I do not think Dillon is the answer but a complementary piece to him would be nice.

I don't think the D is in the state where we trade our best forward (yes, it's still Schiefele) to improve it.

I'd say right now we are in a very good spot with our defense. It's average, and very well balanced, with a blend of size, skill, and play styles. Our top 4 has played exactly 5 games together - is going to take time to gel. Our bottom pair has an inexperienced guy who's going to have ups and downs but will get better. We have 2 blue chip prospects in Heinola and Samberg, and 2 interesting potentials in Chisolm and Kovacevic.

I'm not at all worried about the defence. This group with Helle on his game and our scoring should lead to lots of wins.

What would be more helpful is a cogent strategy in our own zone. I really hate the way we man up, especially on the pk. Movement by the pp pulls out guys out of position and opens up critical passing lanes. I'm hoping that more play time in the system with our new guys will tighten that up.

 

[GaryPoppins]

This is a very insightful observation.

Reminds me a bit of a team our youngest played on at the age of 5/6. Coach kept drawing up plays (seriously) which involved "getting A or B the puck, and watch 'em go!" After a few games one of the other kids finally put her hand up and asked Why are the rest of us on this team? The coach had no real answer for that. What was he gonna say? Because A is my kid?

I guess coaches always have their kid.

I honestly think this is why Ehlers has been off. Imagine putting up the 2 seasons he has and still playing second fiddle when he likely is well aware this team wouldn’t/hasn’t done much without him.
What more does he have to do to get the respect of his coach?

 

[MardyBum]

Our best game 5v5 yesterday. More of that, less of the last 3 .

Great job by the D being aggressive in the NZ to break up plays and turn the puck over.

Still a bit of a tire fire when the other team gets set up in our zone, but hopefully they'll get there.

PK -

I hope everything doesn't just revert to the same old when everyone gets back. With the way PLD and Connor are playing together, Ehlers not getting any luck, could be an opportunity to switch it up and run the lines @DRW204 suggested.

Good to see Ves finally pot one, hopefully the first of many

 

[Guffman]

The future for this team without Scheifele is grimm, not even debatable. This is like the "look we always win without Enstrom" argument on steroids.

What if PLD keeps developing to become a legit 1C? What if Perfetti develops into a legit top 6 C?

Those who think we just have a “three year window” just seem to dismiss our prospect pool and don’t seem to comprehend that the team doesn’t implode just because a couple of star players will get raises.

Now, absolutely Schiefele is a very important part of this team. Three years from now? Probably still important but that is predicated on where our other young centres have developed.

We don’t have to prognosticate about it but to say it is grim and not debatable is absurd.

 

[DRW204]

it depends on perfetti's development. if he becomes a top-6C.

PLD i think has shown low-end 1C production and results in his career w/ CBJ. last year he wasn't good here, this year he's off to a good start. lets see if he builds upon it through the year.

scheifele is still a great player, probably top 15-20ish C in the league? he has deficiencies of course (just like most players) but i don't think the coach has done him much favors pairing him with players with similar deficiencies. Think you can mitigate some of his weaknesses w/ a different line-mate mix.

for ~6M up until 31 years old, you probably wont get a PPG C out there, so trading him now is ridiculous imo. however, depending on how Perfetti develops by the time 2024 rolls along, depending on what type of deal he's looking for (at 31 i don't think it'd be smart to go anything above 3-4 years) might be wise to move-on in FA.....again, depending how formidable PLD-Perfetti is down the middle.

The future for this team without Scheifele is grimm, not even debatable. This is like the "look we always win without Enstrom" argument on steroids.

 

[LowLefty]

Nothing like a win to kill the poster turn out on a Jets PGT these days. Where is everyone?

I was jamming with the buds last night so I watched it this morning -

Other than a few defensive issues that I honestly believe will get worked out as newer players adjust to each others game, I think our biggest question mark will be on how to set up the top 6.

We're a step behind in our end - especially against energy lines. I'm seeing 4th lines spend way too much time in our end - and I see it mostly based on how quick they are on the puck. M on M is all about being on your player - we have not been good in this area - especially against speed / energy players.

As for the top 6, in my mind, it comes down to who plays well with who -

PLD and KC should be given more time to confirm if they are as good as they look right now - KC has stepped up his game and I believe PLD likes his up and down game. They both play with speed in the N and O zones - they appear to energize each other - and both needed that encouragement to take it to another level - PLD is hitting that level now.
The 3rd on that line will need to be determined - and I don't think it's Wheeler - he doesn't have their speed and he will slow that line down.
If that happens, we may lose the magic. I'd leave it as is for now - #71 isn't speedy but he's slick - he is learning their game and I think he will thrive there if left in place for a few more games. But that likely won't happen.

Scheif and Wheeler should stay together IMO - but I'd like to see them change up their approach to offense. Ehlers on the left side might provide the energy they are missing. He'll also take the heat off both on zone entries - and that should allow them to do what they do best which is generate chances when they have the O zone.

I've noticed both Mark and Scheif are struggling in the N zone recently - they don't (or can't) generate enough speed in their transition game. Ehlers could put an end to that problem. Ehlers would need to shift his game a bit to playmaker if he is going to be the possession guy with this line on zone entry - Scheif and Wheels will be looking for a play and not necessarily a one and done shooter out there. This line could be very dangerous and Ehlers might be the guy that can get them going in the Ozone.

As noted, I'm not nearly as concerned about out d game as some - our dmen are working it out - we have pretty much 3 new pairings out their that will need more time - like it or not.

 

[HaveKnifeWillButcher]

The future for this team without Scheifele is grimm, not even debatable. This is like the "look we always win without Enstrom" argument on steroids.

I agree. It will be like a fairy tale without Scheifele.

 

[Jet]

I honestly think this is why Ehlers has been off. Imagine putting up the 2 seasons he has and still playing second fiddle when he likely is well aware this team wouldn’t/hasn’t done much without him.
What more does he have to do to get the respect of his coach?

This is a terrible take.

First of all, if Ehlers is that fragile I'm worried. Second of all, if you don't think that Maurice respects Ehlers then you're out to lunch. You need more than one scoring line and I'd say that Maurice's usage of him shows ultimate respect. You need play drivers on all your lines and he's figured out that 55 and 27 do that in an elite way. Why would you put them on the same line? Same goes for pp.

Finally, I don't think people realize how much energy it takes to play the way Ehlers plays. Do you ever see him static when he's on the ice? He's carrying the mail up the ice almost every time he's on, and even in the ozone his motor is non stop. His playstyle can only be effective when he has the energy, and its logical to conclude a few less minutes a game makes him better.

The lengths people will go here to create drama is astounding. There's some pretty basic truths about sport that are consistently ignored, likely due to not having played. I hate to pull that out but it's true.

 

[Jet]

I might argue with you about top 10 but I genuinely agree this would be a rather silly idea to follow through on. Scheifele is on a steal of a contract for his performance and worth every penny, performing at a very high level. While I don't think Scheifele and Dubois are Crosby/Malkin it's very much a luxury to have if Dubois continues his current play going forward. I'll take that every day.

Just out of curiosity what centres would you put ahead of him? Not looking for a fight haha

 

[Jet]

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Yes, we should wait and see if it's going to be a problem. I wasn't just referring to this game, but penalties in all games that are unneccessary. I do like controlled aggressive play, and I hope we get that from him.

That's odd because when Buff was doing it everyone was gaga about it. Aggressive teams take penalties. I'd rather stay aggressive and improve our pk.

The penalties I don't like are lazy ones and I don't think that's a problem with Dillon.

I'll add that last year we had one of the last penalized Jets 2.0 teams and I don't think many of us enjoyed the way we were bent over most nights.

 

[JetsFan815]

Gotta say bald Vesalainen has such a "henchman of Bond villain energy".

He can definitely pull off the bald look.