Kitchener Rangers 2023-24 Season Thread (Part 2)

[Krangers08]

What's up with Stark??

Upper body, unlikely to play before the break per JB

 

[RB76]

Thought Romano had his best game and looked pretty confident for a rookie centre. Ellinas was solid, and Arquette started to build confidence throughout the game. I thought he play pretty good for just getting with the team today and without a practice.

Boys have played a lot of hockey already and are probably looking forward to next week’s break. The team is gaining valuable experience and hopefully continues to grow.

 

[OnlyUpFromHere]

I'd say the team was successful in the rare 4 game week picking up 7 of 8 points. Can't really complain about that.

This next stretch with Mesar (and potentially Rehkopf) will be a good test for the group with games against SSM, BAR, FLNT, OS, OSH, SAG, SBY and NB.

 

[EvenSteven]

We may not have gotten the two points tonight if Guelph could shoot straight. Geez that PP is atrocious.

 

[GeoBlue]

What's up with Stark??

...........and Motew? Did he come back?

 

[RB76]

We may not have gotten the two points tonight if Guelph could shoot straight. Geez that PP is atrocious.

Lots of room for improvements but I’ll say the zone entries look solid. Teams however are scouting and adjusting and limiting our primary options. Up to the coaches and boys to figure how to counteract and come up with some secondary plays.

 

[bobber]

...........and Motew? Did he come back?

Motew was back.

 

[EvenSteven]

I’d be willing to part with the Rangers’ - 1sts for a good chance at a championship
… Reid, Romano, and non-2024 picks for Beck, McCoy, & Meele

But the Rangers would prefer a LD unless moving Schmidt?

If we did that trade (not sure if you were serious or tongue-in-cheek). I assume we’d look something like this:

Beck, Melee and McCoy for Reid, Romano, 3rd’27, 4th’25, 4th’26, 4th’27.

First, for me, pre trade, I’m keeping a healthy Martin over Schmidt. But with this trade, because it may be the only deal we make (because we’d be empty of picks except for the ‘24’s that, in your scenario, we aren’t moving), I think we have to keep Schmidt over Martin:

If we made that trade:

Swick. Rehkopf. Mesar.
Melee. Beck. Miseljevic.
Ellinas. Sop. Lam.
Bottineau. Mercer. Pug.
Stark. Morey.

Brzustewicz. Andonovski.
Motew. McCoy.
Schmidt. Campbell.
Scott.

Cons to this trade: I don’t like that 3rd line. But if we kept Martin to play LW on that line, our D would be too thin.

For me, to make this trade work, we likely have to move, say, an Ellinas, or a Morey + a couple of 5th round picks, for a good 04 import forward (Vilmanis?) that would be an upgrade on the 3rd line.

I’m not advocating for this scenario, just looking at how it would all pan out. No doubt we’d be very good.

But, is MM willing to trade both 1st rounders? Will the Petes go in that direction or hold out for ‘24 picks? Getting two ‘07’s may be intriguing to them.

If Beck picked his destination and it was Kitchener or bust, they may not have much choice but to take what they can get for him or not trade him at all.

 

[RB76]

Thought Romano had his best game and looked pretty confident for a rookie centre. Ellinas was solid, and Arquette started to build confidence throughout the game. I thought he play pretty good for just getting with the team today and without a practice.

Parsons was a rock again, I also thought Schmidt had maybe his strongest game. He was engaged in all aspects of the game, and a force to be reckoned with.

 

[HockeyPops]

Arquette is making his debut today and will count as a player card.

He shouldn't be on an A card unless they are planning on keeping him up all season. I can't see them doing that. Should still be at just 24 "A" cards.

 

[bobber]

If we did that trade (not sure if you were serious or tongue-in-cheek). I assume we’d look something like this:

Beck, Melee and McCoy for Reid, Romano, 3rd’27, 4th’25, 4th’26, 4th’27.

First, for me, pre trade, I’m keeping a healthy Martin over Schmidt. But with this trade, because it may be the only deal we make (because we’d be empty of picks except for the ‘24’s that, in your scenario, we aren’t moving), I think we have to keep Schmidt over Martin:

If we made that trade:

Swick. Rehkopf. Mesar.
Melee. Beck. Miseljevic.
Ellinas. Sop. Lam.
Bottineau. Mercer. Pug.
Stark. Morey.

Brzustewicz. Andonovski.
Motew. McCoy.
Schmidt. Campbell.
Scott.

Cons to this trade: I don’t like that 3rd line. But if we kept Martin to play LW on that line, our D would be too thin.

For me, to make this trade work, we likely have to move, say, an Ellinas, or a Morey + a couple of 5th round picks, for a good 04 import forward (Vilmanis?) that would be an upgrade on the 3rd line.

I’m not advocating for this scenario, just looking at how it would all pan out. No doubt we’d be very good.

But, is MM willing to trade both 1st rounders? Will the Petes go in that direction or hold out for ‘24 picks? Getting two ‘07’s may be intriguing to them.

If Beck picked his destination and it was Kitchener or bust, they may not have much choice but to take what they can get for him or not trade him at all.

Even I think Dirty was just throwing a fishing line out there hoping to get a bite. I can't see the Rangers being involved in any Beck trade deals. If he is the big fish he will garner a lot of picks and players the Rangers can't come up with. Every year there seems to be a player like Wright last year. Teams burn all their assets on what is considered a sure fire player to put them over the hump. If the Rangers do make a deal or two they will certainly have to be creative. If they give up the future and it back fires in the playoffs after last seasons puzzle MM will be placed in shackles by Ranger fans in the town square. Trading Reid should not even be mentioned here. He does have a challenge. Last year he brought some players in that initially didn't seem to want to be here on an 8th place squad that had been badly coached.

 

[Krangers08]

Beck to Sag feels like a done deal, young and picks going the other way. I can’t see MM over spending for a big piece this year.

 

[rangersblues]

Parsons was a rock again, I also thought Schmidt had maybe his strongest game. He was engaged in all aspects of the game, and a force to be reckoned with.

I didn't watch the whole game closely but I was especially impressed with Schmidt in the 2nd period. After he was labouring from the effects of blocking a shot he took a Storm player into the boards with some vigour. A couple of shifts later he produced another fairly big hit. If he continues that Schmidt will be a huge plus to our D.

 

[OHL4Life]

He shouldn't be on an A card unless they are planning on keeping him up all season. I can't see them doing that. Should still be at just 24 "A" cards.

correct, he cant be on an a card, kitchener already has 4 a cards with 07s. you can't have 5.

 

[Krangers08]

correct, he cant be on an a card, kitchener already has 4 a cards with 07s. you can't have 5.

My bad. Got confused with the cards

 

[dirty12]

If we did that trade (not sure if you were serious or tongue-in-cheek). I assume we’d look something like this:

Beck, Melee and McCoy for Reid, Romano, 3rd’27, 4th’25, 4th’26, 4th’27.

First, for me, pre trade, I’m keeping a healthy Martin over Schmidt. But with this trade, because it may be the only deal we make (because we’d be empty of picks except for the ‘24’s that, in your scenario, we aren’t moving), I think we have to keep Schmidt over Martin:

If we made that trade:

Swick. Rehkopf. Mesar.
Melee. Beck. Miseljevic.
Ellinas. Sop. Lam.
Bottineau. Mercer. Pug.
Stark. Morey.

Brzustewicz. Andonovski.
Motew. McCoy.
Schmidt. Campbell.
Scott.

Cons to this trade: I don’t like that 3rd line. But if we kept Martin to play LW on that line, our D would be too thin.

For me, to make this trade work, we likely have to move, say, an Ellinas, or a Morey + a couple of 5th round picks, for a good 04 import forward (Vilmanis?) that would be an upgrade on the 3rd line.

I’m not advocating for this scenario, just looking at how it would all pan out. No doubt we’d be very good.

But, is MM willing to trade both 1st rounders? Will the Petes go in that direction or hold out for ‘24 picks? Getting two ‘07’s may be intriguing to them.

If Beck picked his destination and it was Kitchener or bust, they may not have much choice but to take what they can get for him or not trade him at all.

That mock trade is not something I think will happen.
I replied to a Kranger question that was something like, could we afford a big fish?
I thought yeah; given the way Oke built the last two Petes contenders and what he was willing to pay, he could very well be all-in with an ‘07 class built around 3-1sts.
He would just have to use Mayer & Smith to get 2024 picks.

Having said that, I think it would be an underwhelming return for the Petes.

 

[bobber]

MM would have to be a Kamikaze Pilot to give up Reid and Romano together in any deal. Too much of a risk going forward. He would find himself as an assistant coach to his buddy Chris Dennis or selling Bobby Margaritas. Not sure why posters are speculating huge trades with the Rangers. Assets are extremely limited. Maybe a deal for Martin to the Wolves for their first rounder and 3 2nds.

 

[Ward Cornell]

MM would have to be a Kamikaze Pilot to give up Reid and Romano together in any deal. Too mush of a risk going forward. He would find himself as an assistant coach to his buddy Chris Dennis or selling Bobby Margaritas. Not sure why posters are speculating huge trades with the Rangers. Assets are extremely limited. Maybe a deal for Martin to the Wolves for their first rounder and 3 2nds.

which leads to the question....
Would MM strengthen a team that the Rangers will need to beat if they are to go to Memorial Cup or take something less from another team that wont be as highly regarded?? Perhaps a team that may need a push to make the payoffs??

 

[OHL4Life]

MM would have to be a Kamikaze Pilot to give up Reid and Romano together in any deal. Too mush of a risk going forward. He would find himself as an assistant coach to his buddy Chris Dennis or selling Bobby Margaritas. Not sure why posters are speculating huge trades with the Rangers. Assets are extremely limited. Maybe a deal for Martin to the Wolves for their first rounder and 3 2nds.

is darren deddobbler the gm of the wolves?

 

[sbpointer]

is darren deddobbler the gm of the wolves?

I was just going to say Martin has value but he won't fetch that unless you fill Niagara's vacant OA spot...

 

[Jives]

If you can get anyone’s 1st rounder for Martin that would be unbelievable. Adding 3 2nds….wow. He won’t be healthy be the trade deadline it seems. If a 2nd is offered that might be the higher offer out there.

 

[Krangers08]

Reid seems untouchable. The whole staff and management are very high on him and see him as a future captain.

 

[bobber]

I was just joshing about Martin. dirty who cheers for the Wolves was throwing Ranger players and picks around on our thread so I thought I would make an offer to Sudbury. I watch a lot of Pawn Stars and learned how to dicker. Guy came in to the pawn shop with an old boot he claimed Abe Lincoln wore when he kicked his mule Maybell in the butt for refusing to hook up to plow the back forty. He wanted 10 million bucks. Why not be like a lot of other Arm Chair GMs on HF and ask the moon for Martin. I doubt I will get the attention of the Sudbury GM but maybe someone will mention it to him. Can only hope.

 

[Tarantula]

I watch a lot of Pawn Stars and learned how to dicker.

I'm practically ready to practice law now after watching "Peoples Court"

 

[EvenSteven]

That mock trade is not something I think will happen.
I replied to a Kranger question that was something like, could we afford a big fish?
I thought yeah; given the way Oke built the last two Petes contenders and what he was willing to pay, he could very well be all-in with an ‘07 class built around 3-1sts.
He would just have to use Mayer & Smith to get 2024 picks.

Having said that, I think it would be an underwhelming return for the Petes.

I don’t think it would ever happen but I thought I’d do a “what if” as far as the roster goes.

I’m in favour of a buy, and wouldn’t shy away from moving a Romano, but for quantity as opposed to quality.

Again, I like our top two lines if Martin returns as 2nd LW. Adding a big piece like Beck or the equivalent wouldn’t address our needs IMO.

It’s the third line and defensive depth that need to be addressed.

That may be done relatively inexpensively if it means including Romano, maybe an Ellinas, whatever the return is for Schmidt, and picks not in ‘24.