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I think he will add, but I would consider a soft sell. Ship out the 2 pieces that get you the biggest return, the rest of your team will still be good enough to make the playoffs and maybe surprise if we get lucky, like last year...I doubt getting rid of one of our top Fs and our top D would make this team any worse in the standings.


One of my all time favorite trades this organization was bringing in Tyler Randell.

A skilled player who played with an edge. But it was getting a younger player who was drafted high who'd be with the team for 2.5 seasons minimum. He was here for the OA season and had that wild game 7 VS plymouth.

That was a different time.

I'd look at moving 3 players. Valade. Pinelli (Reluctantly) and Schmidt. Again Schmidts issue isn't him. it's that we don't run the systems for that type of defencemen. He looks lost often lol.

Schmidt and Pinelli bring you back players and picks. Valade just opens up an OA space in case one gets waved at the deadline and you think they can make a difference, or in case Logan Morrison drops into your lap. He is local-ish. We've been great trading partners with Hamilton. Could be something there.
 
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One of my all time favorite trades this organization was bringing in Tyler Randell.

A skilled player who played with an edge. But it was getting a younger player who was drafted high who'd be with the team for 2.5 seasons minimum. He was here for the OA season and had that wild game 7 VS plymouth.

That was a different time.

I'd look at moving 3 players. Valade. Pinelli (Reluctantly) and Schmidt. Again Schmidts issue isn't him. it's that we don't run the systems for that type of defencemen. He looks lost often lol.

Schmidt and Pinelli bring you back players and picks. Valade just opens up an OA space in case one gets waved at the deadline and you think they can make a difference, or in case Logan Morrison drops into your lap. He is local-ish. We've been great trading partners with Hamilton. Could be something there.
These are the 2 I had in mind as well. Valade can be moved but I don't expect a lot, it would be more to open up ice time for the younger remaining players.
 

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I think he will add, but I would consider a soft sell. Ship out the 2 pieces that get you the biggest return, the rest of your team will still be good enough to make the playoffs and maybe surprise if we get lucky, like last year...I doubt getting rid of one of our top Fs and our top D would make this team any worse in the standings.
I think which direction MM goes will be a last minute decision. I don't think he'll add unless the team shows something and goes on a streak like when he took over the bench in 19-20.

Otherwise I think it's like you said - a soft sell.
 

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I think which direction MM goes will be a last minute decision. I don't think he'll add unless the team shows something and goes on a streak like when he took over the bench in 19-20.

Otherwise I think it's like you said - a soft sell.
I think MM adds but if he’s adding on the cheap, or in other words, a soft buy, then I’m not in favour. For me, he either has to go all in hard, or not at all. A soft buy (or soft sell for that matter) is akin to standing pat.

For me, this thing should go one way or the other: Hard sell or hard buy. I think I can make a case for either, but I think unless the bottom falls right out of this thing, or we suffer a couple more key injuries, MM is a buyer.

If we decide to buy, it could go down like this (all hypothetical):

First of all, to start, the Rangers have 5x2nds, 8x3rds, and 5x4ths in the cupboard. So:


To Hamilton:
Mercer-05
Pugliese-04
Valade-02
4x2nds
4x3rds
5th.

To Kitchener:
Morrison-02
Winterton-03
Xhekaj-04

I’m comparing this deal to a combination of the Arbor Xhekaj trade last year (OA Mutter/Valade 2x2nds. 2x3rds), and the Serron Noel trade from a couple years ago (Stepien/Mercer 2x2nds. 2x3rds). Some may argue that Winterton trumps Noel’s value but I’m factoring in Winterton’s coming off surgery and therefore, there’s an element of risk involved. Pugliese and the 5th for Xhekaj. I want Xhekaj included to address the lack of physicality up front. We have too many of the same player. We’re finding Pugliese a place to play.

To Kingston
Fishman
2nd
3rd
4th.

To Kitchener
Hache

I’m assuming I have Hache’s value right here. We’re finding Fishman a place to play in this deal.

To Saginaw
Motew.
4th.

To Kitchener
Mancini.

Motew is a solid top four D in this league who is a good skater with offensive upside. Problem is, Brzustewicz and Hamara are getting those situational minutes. The Rangers have too many of the same kind of D. They’d like to add size on the backend and Motew replaces Mancini to give Saginaw a good OA option for next year.

Give or take, I may be off a shade on the value of a player or two here, by a pick or two, so don’t beat me up on that. The point I’m trying to get across is that we have the assets to complete a hard buy.

In any case, after that hard buy, our cupboard would be depleted, to say the least:
0 x 2nds
3 x 3rds
4 x 4ths

But, I’m making sure I hold onto the two 3rds we have in ‘23 (Sag, Osh) to go with the two 1sts to get us a good jumpstart to the next cycle. Those 3rds should be in the front half of that round. Also, 23-24 would be a hard sell year. Moving out guys like Martin (OA), Brzustewicz, Hamara, would be a good start to replenishing the cupboard.

After these moves, we’d look like this:
Martin. Pinelli. Mesar.
Rehkopf. Morrison. Winterton.
Zidlicky. Serpa. Miseljevic
Swick. Sop. Xhekaj.
Morey. Bottineau.

Schmidt. Hamara.
Brzustewicz. Hache.
Mancini. Andonovski.
Hollett. Scott.

Costantini.
Vandenberg

I also try to find a decent veteran backup on the cheap if by the deadline I feel that Vandenberg would struggle should Costantini go down with an injury. An Eric Pfligler type would be nice.

There’s a ton of offence in that lineup. Two elite lines and two pretty good bottom six lines. We’ve added a ton of size and depth on the backend.

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But, on the other hand,

If MM were to decide to sell hard, he could set us up for years to come asset wise. Here’s how a hard sell could go down:

Pinelli (2x2nds. 3x3rds). A possible landing spot is Ottawa. They have a ton of picks. I believe this is his worth on the market. Those picks or mix in a young player gets a deal done.

Mesar (2x2nds. 3rd. Import). I think he’s a one and done in this league so if we’re selling, he’s in play. He, like I said of Mintyukov on another thread, has enough value where he’d be an upgrade on a contenders current imports. We traded Faksa for a couple 2nds and their import. I’d expect the same or more for Mesar. I notice Missy has an OA import on their roster, one of four OA’s. Could this be a landing spot?

Schmidt- (2x2nds. 2x3rds). For a quality, top pairing D with size? That is fair return. He makes any team’s back end better. Barrie has a ton of picks and should be all in this year. Brandt Clarke’s former D partner (Don Mills Flyers) would look good on their blueline. Especially if Clarke is returned.

Costantini (I want back what we gave up to get him. 2nd. 6th. Anything more is a bonus). Sure it’s good when you’re a rebuilding team to have a solid goalie to help keep games close. (ie. Parker Vanbuskirk). But when we traded for Costantini, it was to go on a run. That’s what he expected. To be fair to the player, I listen to offers for him and try and find a landing spot for him if he’s in favour. There may be a contender or two who may want the upgrade in goal. Could Windsor use an upgrade in net?

If we were to get the return on the players above in a hard sell (give or take a pick), our cupboard would be overflowing:

12 x 2nds
14 x 3rds

With that cupboard, we’d certainly have multiple 2nds and/or 3rds for the 2023 draft to go with our two 1sts.

If we chose to, we could even decide to contend next year. Martin, Motew, Sop is a start at OA. An 04 group led by Brzustewicz, Hamara, and Parsons not to mention the 05’s led by Rehkopf, Zidlicky, Mercer and Andonovski. Perhaps Longacre reports by then?

And if that Hage thing ever happens…… 😉
 

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Just spit balling here. When you look at the teams that finished in the bottom of the standings last couple of seasons like Erie, Saginaw, Ottawa etc. They have rose up the ranks quickly. Sometimes a GM has to bite the bullet when they have the opportunity to fill the draft cupboard and pick high in a draft or two. It pays dividends down the road. The possibility is there that the GM and his staff make mistakes when the opportunity arises also. I really don't have a lot of faith in the Ranger staff to do the right thing. Their record at drafts lately says otherwise IMO. Love to see them serve me up a big crow pie.
 
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Alright,

First and foremost I hope Roman Schmidt is alright. Not sure what happened but you hate to see guys go down.

One thing I hate about hockey is the whole injured player coming back to your line up is like a trade BS excuse. Its such a cop out and a lazy excuse for a GM not to make a move. They talked about that with Mitchell Martin on TV today and I guess its something MM touched on. If that's the continued line of thinking, he can kick rocks.

Mitchell Martin is a fine OHL player, but he was the only bright spot offensively. If you think getting him back on this roster is like making a trade, fold the damn GM position for the year.

I saw no adjustments with the coaching staff and one thing that pissed me off was when the hit review in the 3rd was under review, Chris Dennis just stood on his bench. Team got hemmed in a bunch, was playing dump and chase with no player able to win puck battles, No body wants to move, forwards carrying the puck 8 inches over the blue line and stopping causing turn overs, sloppy sloppy play in the neutral zone. He just stood there. 15 minutes left in a game against a team with a struggling netminder (.880%) and a roster I am not convinced is better than the Rangers and isn't trying to salvage the game. No game plan. Nothing. A free extended time out and he just stood there.

No adjustments made from this guy. It's not working. Time isn't the issue. Coach is the issue.

But I am beating a dead horse. I've sold off most of my season tickets over the last month because its unwatchable.

I feel for the players. Rehkopf actually looked good tonight but he's playing low in the line up. Guys are regressing. Marco looks burnt out. Idk what else to say.
 

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Alright,

First and foremost I hope Roman Schmidt is alright. Not sure what happened but you hate to see guys go down.

One thing I hate about hockey is the whole injured player coming back to your line up is like a trade BS excuse. Its such a cop out and a lazy excuse for a GM not to make a move. They talked about that with Mitchell Martin on TV today and I guess its something MM touched on. If that's the continued line of thinking, he can kick rocks.

Mitchell Martin is a fine OHL player, but he was the only bright spot offensively. If you think getting him back on this roster is like making a trade, fold the damn GM position for the year.

I saw no adjustments with the coaching staff and one thing that pissed me off was when the hit review in the 3rd was under review, Chris Dennis just stood on his bench. Team got hemmed in a bunch, was playing dump and chase with no player able to win puck battles, No body wants to move, forwards carrying the puck 8 inches over the blue line and stopping causing turn overs, sloppy sloppy play in the neutral zone. He just stood there. 15 minutes left in a game against a team with a struggling netminder (.880%) and a roster I am not convinced is better than the Rangers and isn't trying to salvage the game. No game plan. Nothing. A free extended time out and he just stood there.

No adjustments made from this guy. It's not working. Time isn't the issue. Coach is the issue.

But I am beating a dead horse. I've sold off most of my season tickets over the last month because its unwatchable.

I feel for the players. Rehkopf actually looked good tonight but he's playing low in the line up. Guys are regressing. Marco looks burnt out. Idk what else to say.
Thank you for this post!!
 

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This franchise has been lost at sea for a while but at the top of the list has to be scouting. When I look at the roster, I can’t wrap my head around what they look for in a hockey player. It sure isn’t finish, toughness, speed, playmaking or IQ. Just about every ingredient you need to compete is missing. Player after player lacks in at least four of the five categories if not all five.

And we clearly have not had any development or coaching system that improves weaknesses. So it’s a massive recipe for mediocrity. And hearing the coach’s interviews just reinforces the country club atmosphere where the standards are completely gone.
 

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boycotting until changes are made. What a dissapointment of a season
My thoughts exactly. I can't give this organization another dime. Trouble is that with an announced crowd of 6500 tonight I don't think they give a crap.

I think the only way something happens is if STH contact the Rangers office and threaten to not renew their season tickets for next year.
 

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Injuries/suspensions or not, I really have a hard time seeing this team contending without a ton of changes. Even with Pinelli, Martin and Schmidt out of the lineup tonight (Schmidt left after one shift), your secondary players have to show that they can get it done. Clearly, they cannot. That speaks to our depth.

Going into last weekend, I suggested going 4-1 over the next five games was something we needed, to give MM the “green light” if you will, that this team is a team worthy of going all in.

We’re now 1-3 going into the fifth of those five games.

Personally, I have a hard time seeing this group going on any kind of stretch (say, 8-2), any time soon, that would have us climbing up the standings with any significance.

The last thing we need is for MM to waste assets adding a secondary piece or two in hopes this thing turns around only to have us continuing to flounder.

After tonight, we sit last in the conference. The more I see, the more I feel we should sell.
 

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Sad times :-(
After many years as a season ticket holder it's a real possibility that we will not renew next season. For many years Friday night, as well as other Ranger games home and away, have been date night for my wife and I. Her late father is the reason we are season ticket holders and the Rangers has been a thing she would talk about all season, but she is not being entertained with what we are viewing most times.

I am frustrated watching the game but would keep pushing hoping for things to turn around but she has come to the point where she is wondering when will we win games with authority or even lose them and walk away feeling like we had a chance? I can't argue with her.

Something isn't working with this team and to me its behind the bench. It looks like a team with systems that nobody has bought into or understand. No creativity, no adapting, no energy, zippo!
I really hope they turn it around!
Posting here will do sh!t except give me a place to vent. Boycotting won't do diddly either. Cancelling season tickets will mean we move onto something else, end of story. Nobody will care or notice..... end of rant............ hang head and walk away..........
 

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Sad times :-(
After many years as a season ticket holder it's a real possibility that we will not renew next season. For many years Friday night, as well as other Ranger games home and away, have been date night for my wife and I. Her late father is the reason we are season ticket holders and the Rangers has been a thing she would talk about all season, but she is not being entertained with what we are viewing most times.

I am frustrated watching the game but would keep pushing hoping for things to turn around but she has come to the point where she is wondering when will we win games with authority or even lose them and walk away feeling like we had a chance? I can't argue with her.

Something isn't working with this team and to me its behind the bench. It looks like a team with systems that nobody has bought into or understand. No creativity, no adapting, no energy, zippo!
I really hope they turn it around!
Posting here will do sh!t except give me a place to vent. Boycotting won't do diddly either. Cancelling season tickets will mean we move onto something else, end of story. Nobody will care or notice..... end of rant............ hang head and walk away..........
I agree with everything you said up to the point of boycotting won't do diddly. The only thing this franchise cares about is the bottom line. It's the reason they went out and got Peter DeBoer - because there were empty seats. Now that the seats are full, or at least sold, they really don't care about the product on the ice.
 

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This franchise has been lost at sea for a while but at the top of the list has to be scouting. When I look at the roster, I can’t wrap my head around what they look for in a hockey player. It sure isn’t finish, toughness, speed, playmaking or IQ. Just about every ingredient you need to compete is missing. Player after player lacks in at least four of the five categories if not all five.

And we clearly have not had any development or coaching system that improves weaknesses. So it’s a massive recipe for mediocrity. And hearing the coach’s interviews just reinforces the country club atmosphere where the standards are completely gone.
I think Ranger scouts would be great at picking Jr. B rosters. I have had no faith in these scouts for a few seasons now. We gave up our seasons tickets after 20 plus years. We also went to games for 20 years or so before and bought walk up. Feel sorry for the fans in the seats watching this garbage. Great facility with all the bells and whistles. Gets a little tiring listening to commentators calling the Rangers a "storied franchise" when you look at the product on the ice. I used to send Binky emails once in a while and let him know fans were not being "entertained" as he so elegantly put it. Maybe fans should start sending emails to the new president whose name escapes me and let him know what they think. Should be a time limit on directors also. Majority have been there too long. Some even given "lifetime seasons tickets". The whole deal stinks. Rangers are dead last in the west and third last overall. MM contributes this to a slow start. If your pointing fingers this is the place to start. On a privately owned team if he screwed the pooch like he did in the past draft he wouldn't be here.
 

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I have always thought the Rangers have (perhaps had?) one of the sharpest young GMs in the league. But unless he acts shortly to correct the path of this team I'm starting to wonder if his "time is up"? If he let's you all fall much further behind it will for sure mean it's time for a teardown. There is a rotten apple somewhere in the bushel and he needs to get rid of it quickly? No way should this roster be sitting last place in the conference?
 

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I have always thought the Rangers have (perhaps had?) one of the sharpest young GMs in the league. But unless he acts shortly to correct the path of this team I'm starting to wonder if his "time is up"? If he let's you all fall much further behind it will for sure mean it's time for a teardown. There is a rotten apple somewhere in the bushel and he needs to get rid of it quickly? No way should this roster be sitting last place in the conference?
Not sure where this group should be in the standings, but they are overrated for sure.
 

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We are now approaching the 1/3 mark of the season. Couldn't help but notice that a win by Guelph last night puts the Rangers in the basement of both the Midwest and the whole Western Conference (as of this moment). The Soo, which was predicted by pretty much everyone to finish dead last in this conference, with their shutout win over Mississauga last night, have moved 4 points ahead.

A view of the overall league standings, in the East:
Everyone is well aware that Hamilton is selling. They are now a point ahead of Kitchener after a 4-1 thumping of N.B.
Oshawa, winless in 8 games, won last night and are now within only one of our team.
.....and then there's the lowly Ice Dogs......worst team in the entire league. They score 7 in a win yesterday to creep within 3.

Guelph, Niagara, and Kitchener all have the most regulation losses: 12.
The Rangers are now 3rd worst in the entire league, with the two "worser" teams breathing down our necks.

I cringe at the thought of looking at the standings Monday morning.
 
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I have always thought the Rangers have (perhaps had?) one of the sharpest young GMs in the league. But unless he acts shortly to correct the path of this team I'm starting to wonder if his "time is up"? If he let's you all fall much further behind it will for sure mean it's time for a teardown. There is a rotten apple somewhere in the bushel and he needs to get rid of it quickly? No way should this roster be sitting last place in the conference?

I think many on this board would tend to agree with you Buttsy. I may be a bit in the minority here, but aside from miscues here and there (no GM is perfect), he has made some good moves while in the GM seat. Mind you, it's hard to deny that a couple of drafts had produced below average results, so maybe ultimately that is on the GM. But I just compare his record to that of previous GM's going back the last 25 years or so (not counting DeBoer of course), and I would take MM over those others.
 
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Great posts everyone. Bobber, your story mirrors mine.

After Deboer’s golden era, this franchise was content to preach about how they were “first class” and just count their money. No effort was ever made to be serious about competing. Everyone since has acted like spoiled, incompetent heirs of a brilliant innovator who built a family fortune.

Bobber, the reason those bottom feeding teams are passing us is because they actually identify problems and work to improve them. Kitchener just rolls out the same thing night after night and hopes it works. That the coach was happy with last night’s performance tells you all you need to know.
 
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