Kitchener Rangers 2022-23 Season Thread

[bobber]

Chris Dennis is 42 and Bob Mackenzie is 66.

TheBlueMonster - Rangers haven't been the gold standard since DeBoer left. And they weren't before he arrived.

Bienkowski brought in DeBoer because they admittedly weren't getting anywhere in the playoffs and there were lots of empty seats. They haven't gotten anywhere in the playoffs for a long time but only the past few seasons have the seats become a little empty.

Maybe all the directors have gold watches and that is the gold standard?

 

[bobber]

Maybe all the directors have gold watches and that is the gold standard?

Check your message.

 

[bobber]

I was surprised (shocked) when Pinelli dropped down to the Rangers in the draft. Then Rehkopf did also. Now I am wondering scouts from other franchises by passed on purpose because of short comings? Just wondering.

 

[rangersblues]

I was surprised (shocked) when Pinelli dropped down to the Rangers in the draft. Then Rehkopf did also. Now I am wondering scouts from other franchises by passed on purpose because of short comings? Just wondering.

While I have plenty of questions regarding our scouts, I don't think that's the case with Pinelli and Rehkopf. I think it's more a case of the overall attitude of the organization as well as lack of player development.

 

[GeoBlue]

Maybe all the directors have gold watches and that is the gold standard?

I buy the directory theory. What I don't get is that we, the season ticket holders, all have a vote. I, for one, usually vote against the "regulars". So why can't we make changes? Is it just that most season ticket holders could care less about voting? Or are there no new fresh faces wanting to run?

 

[bobber]

I buy the directory theory. What I don't get is that we, the season ticket holders, all have a vote. I, for one, usually vote against the "regulars". So why can't we make changes? Is it just that most season ticket holders could care less about voting? Or are there no new fresh faces wanting to run?

The director issue is a whole different ball of wool. They old regulars really push to keep out new blood unless they have some sort of agenda to get rid of someone they don't like. I worked with 3 of them. It's like Facebook. They aren't real "friends". It's all about cliques. I don't think STH care about voting. Rangers having directors must be a rare anomaly in junior hockey. Not sure what power they have other than being first in line on free pizza night.

 

[HockeyPops]

Just wondering how your defense is looking? I see only 6 rostered defensemen, and found it interesting that Kitchener traded for the rights to Blair Scott, he played 1 game and is back with his team in the GOJHL. I know there was a condition on the trade, just wondering if it was met already by him playing a game?

 

[Ward Cornell]

I buy the directory theory. What I don't get is that we, the season ticket holders, all have a vote. I, for one, usually vote against the "regulars". So why can't we make changes? Is it just that most season ticket holders could care less about voting? Or are there no new fresh faces wanting to run?

Like politicians there should be term limits...fresh blood = fresh ideas

 

[hockeylegend11]

I was surprised (shocked) when Pinelli dropped down to the Rangers in the draft. Then Rehkopf did also. Now I am wondering scouts from other franchises by passed on purpose because of short comings? Just wondering.

Pinelli gets 3 game suspension from the league for last game's actions.

 

[bobber]

Just wondering how your defense is looking? I see only 6 rostered defensemen, and found it interesting that Kitchener traded for the rights to Blair Scott, he played 1 game and is back with his team in the GOJHL. I know there was a condition on the trade, just wondering if it was met already by him playing a game?

Scott is one of those players that can only play I think about ten games this season. Forget the handle they use for these guys. Someone else with more knowledge of the situation may know.

Pinelli gets 3 game suspension from the league for last game's actions.

Thanks Legend. I figured he would get something extra. Dumb unnecessary penalty that could have caused a concussion.

 

[LordStanley1967]

Scott is one of those players that can only play I think about ten games this season. Forget the handle they use for these guys. Someone else with more knowledge of the situation may know.


Thanks Legend. I figured he would get something extra. Dumb unnecessary penalty that could have caused a concussion.

the press release was that Scott signed a standard player agreement and not a "B" Card. But maybe he singed a "B" card which would allow him to play in the GoJHL and called up when necessary for 10 games, one he plays the 10th game he stays with the Rangers and cant go back, unless released.

 

[bobber]

the press release was that Scott signed a standard player agreement and not a "B" Card. But maybe he singed a "B" card which would allow him to play in the GoJHL and called up when necessary for 10 games, one he plays the 10th game he stays with the Rangers and cant go back, unless released.

Thanks, LordStanley. I heard one of the Rogers commentators mention Scott. I believe you have the situation correct here. They did say they could pull him up for games.

 

[EvenSteven]

Thanks, LordStanley. I heard one of the Rogers commentators mention Scott. I believe you have the situation correct here. They did say they could pull him up for games.

I think if he’s signed to a B card, he cannot play here past 10 games until his JrB team’s season is done. Not,one he plays the 10th game he stays with the Rangers and cant go back, unless released.

……one he plays the 10th game he stays with the Rangers and cant go back, unless released.

Players signed to B cards can’t play past their 10th game until their JrB team’s season is done.

Or if they do, they’re automatically signed to an A card - meaning they eat up one of the team’s 30 cards.

At this rate (1 GP), there doesn’t seem to be a threat that he’ll reach that 10 game plateau.

I didn’t see him play that game. Is he even OHL calibre? Just asking. Morey signed and is with the team. Is there a reason Scott isn’t? Did they see him play the one game and deem him not ready to play at this level?

 

[bobber]

I think if he’s signed to a B card, he cannot play here past 10 games until his JrB team’s season is done. Not,one he plays the 10th game he stays with the Rangers and cant go back, unless released.

Players signed to B cards can’t play past their 10th game until their JrB team’s season is done.

Or if they do, they’re automatically signed to an A card - meaning they eat up one of the team’s 30 cards.

At this rate (1 GP), there doesn’t seem to be a threat that he’ll reach that 10 game plateau.

I didn’t see him play that game. Is he even OHL calibre? Just asking. Morey signed and is with the team. Is there a reason Scott isn’t? Did they see him play the one game and deem him not ready to play at this level?

It does make one wonder why Scott was signed and hasn't played. He was drafted by the Soo. Must have had some sort of skill level. I think we wait and see if this team buys or sells this season. MM seems to think they can pull out of the slow start and doesn't seem as concerned as the fans are at this point in time.

 

[Coaches Coroner]

It does make one wonder why Scott was signed and hasn't played. He was drafted by the Soo. Must have had some sort of skill level. I think we wait and see if this team buys or sells this season. MM seems to think they can pull out of the slow start and doesn't seem as concerned as the fans are at this point in time.

He has pretty good numbers in the OJHL for a D. There's a lot of things about this team this year that don't make a lot of sense.

 

[Nice2CU]

He has pretty good numbers in the OJHL for a D. There's a lot of things about this team this year that don't make a lot of sense.

On paper the Rangers are one of the most skilled but your coaching staff will have to determine how to extract the most value from players.
That may end up with some odd line combinations but you can't have 3 ultra skilled fwds who want the puck on their stick on the same line etc.
Each player has value and a role, so establish that, provide consistency in the lines and the team will flourish

 

[EvenSteven]

I think we wait and see if this team buys or sells this season. MM seems to think they can pull out of the slow start and doesn't seem as concerned as the fans are at this point in time.

I think MM undoubtedly buys. The west is wide open. If we were in the east and sitting in ninth place with the teams that they have in the top four, I’d be concerned. And I think MM would be concerned as well.

 

[Rangers True Blue]

On paper the Rangers are one of the most skilled but your coaching staff will have to determine how to extract the most value from players.
That may end up with some odd line combinations but you can't have 3 ultra skilled fwds who want the puck on their stick on the same line etc.
Each player has value and a role, so establish that, provide consistency in the lines and the team will flourish

On paper.....but not always on the ice. And establishing top two lines that have the skill to score is important. If and when MM brings in talent.....and I believe he will.....then line combinations will filter down. Totally agree with consistency. The current McKee-like constant line changes is wearing thin and does nothing to establish consistency. Supposedly the team is going to have a different vibe this Friday. We'll see if the lineup speaks to that and the effort is there.

 

[TheBlueMonster]

I think MM undoubtedly buys. The west is wide open. If we were in the east and sitting in ninth place with the teams that they have in the top four, I’d be concerned. And I think MM would be concerned as well.

That's the scary part. That this team regardless of where we all think they should go, is going to buy.

Mesar is a one and done. Pinelli gone. Marco gone. Schmidt gone. Serpa and Valade gone. Hamara could return but his rights are 100% going to get moved in the off season (Just a gut feeling) if not early into the season.

2 of Motew, Martin, Hollet, Fishman, Sop are gone.

That's 9 players so far, plus any 03 that potentially gets brought in at the deadline has a chance to graduate.

All this is with out trading any players off the roster.

Not to exaggerate but we could be looking at having 12 open roster spots next season.


All that said, I still don't like this current mix of players with this current coach. I hate the idea of spending assets such as draft capital going into a draft where we're going to have Two 1st round picks. But management top to bottom put us in this position that we are.

100% agree about the west. I think Owen Sound is much better than they've shown so there are a few teams that are pretty good but yeah so many teams are just kind of very average in the west this year. Which also makes this all very shocking lol.

 

[EvenSteven]

I hate the idea of spending assets such as draft capital going into a draft where we're going to have Two 1st round picks.

Next year we have two first round picks. Whether we buy or sell, I think it’s imperative that we have five picks in the top three rounds.

Sure it’s good two have two 1sts, but you need quality depth to win. Having 1st, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd would go a long way in making sure we have a ton of quality in that age group.

Having 1st, 1st, 4th and beyond is a huge difference.

 

[TheBlueMonster]

Next year we have two first round picks. Whether we buy or sell, I think it’s imperative that we have five picks in the top three rounds.

Sure it’s good two have two 1sts, but you need quality depth to win. Having 1st, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd would go a long way in making sure we have a ton of quality in that age group.

Having 1st, 1st, 4th and beyond is a huge difference.

100%.

They have to find a way to make up for this mess of a draft. Not having a 1st or a 2nd round pick in the line up is a giagantic hole. We need to get legit prospects back in the system.

Justin Bottineau hasn't shown much in his time but he deserves more time. Kyle Morey and Blair Scott are the other 2 true rookies and HOLY is that thin.

 

[GeoBlue]

All that said, I still don't like this current mix of players with this current coach. I hate the idea of spending assets such as draft capital going into a draft where we're going to have Two 1st round picks. But management top to bottom put us in this position that we are.

True, but as someone pointed out earlier in the boards, if we sell this year, we are basically rebuilding for 3 consecutive years. I think MM knows he has a better chance of keeping his job by going broke this year and then rebuild rather than going into the "3 year plan" now.

Let's fix what's ailing this "talented" team and bring in some help on the cheap. I personally feel that all the "A List" help has already moved on. (Othmann, Bloom, Pastujov) Perhaps we can bring in the right pieces without parting with quality picks. It really hinges on how well this group can turn it around. And we now have all the injuries and suspensions to contend with!!! The way they are playing recently, I would personally just blow everything up and grab the draft picks.

 

[bobber]

Next year we have two first round picks. Whether we buy or sell, I think it’s imperative that we have five picks in the top three rounds.

Sure it’s good two have two 1sts, but you need quality depth to win. Having 1st, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd would go a long way in making sure we have a ton of quality in that age group.

Having 1st, 1st, 4th and beyond is a huge difference.

Hopefully MM picks players in the first round next draft that show up.

 

[bobber]

True, but as someone pointed out earlier in the boards, if we sell this year, we are basically rebuilding for 3 consecutive years. I think MM knows he has a better chance of keeping his job by going broke this year and then rebuild rather than going into the "3 year plan" now.

Let's fix what's ailing this "talented" team and bring in some help on the cheap. I personally feel that all the "A List" help has already moved on. (Othmann, Bloom, Pastujov) Perhaps we can bring in the right pieces without parting with quality picks. It really hinges on how well this group can turn it around. And we now have all the injuries and suspensions to contend with!!! The way they are playing presently, I would personally just blow everything up and grab the draft picks.

Geo this may be the way to go. Rangers have dug a massive hole this season. Not sure MM can get the team out of it at the moment. Doesn't seem like he was willing to pay the price asked for the players you mentioned. The top teams in the west will still add making it more difficult to compete as far as trades go for high end players.

 

[Coaches Coroner]

I think he will add, but I would consider a soft sell. Ship out the 2 pieces that get you the biggest return, the rest of your team will still be good enough to make the playoffs and maybe surprise if we get lucky, like last year...I doubt getting rid of one of our top Fs and our top D would make this team any worse in the standings.