Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal

[BenchBrawl]

I'm not talking about Dach since I'm not familiar with him, but a player can have a good shot without the ability/mobility to release it off-balance, so they can't use it often during games.

 

[Kennerback]

Shift by shift video of Dach with Hawks

January 2022. Dach is #77

 

[Vachon23]

Personally, if he can have the same type of progression that Ryan Johansen had I would be happy

 

[417]

I'm not talking about Dach since I'm not familiar with him, but a player can have a good shot without the ability/mobility to release it off-balance, so they can't use it often during games.

See Alex Galchenyuk

 

[Vachon23]

See Alex Galchenyuk

and KK

 

[Kennerback]

Dach is a great skater, passer and stickhandler. He can get to good shooting positions. But when he gets there, too often he’ll try to be way too fancy. Instead of shooting, he’ll rely on his skills and try a dangle or a fancy pass. He needs to keep his game simple and shoot.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Offensive inconsistancy is scary and usually what seperates top 6ers from bottom 6ers.
That said i wouldnt mind him on our third line down the line , he can also contribute to the PP he's a good passer

 

[Tabarouette]

and KK

 

[Vachon23]

I think it's safe to say that Dach will never be a goal scorer (probably 15-20 per yr guy) but I still can see him becoming a really good playmaker C on a 2nd line.

 

[Kennerback]

Offensive inconsistancy is scary and usually what seperates top 6ers from bottom 6ers.
That said i wouldnt mind him on our third line down the line , he can also contribute to the PP he's a good passer

He looks very mature defensively and Chicago gave him a high number of defensive starts and PK work. Unlike Galchenyuk, he can zip up and down the ice with ease.

 

[Runner77]

Offensive inconsistancy is scary and usually what seperates top 6ers from bottom 6ers.
That said i wouldnt mind him on our third line down the line , he can also contribute to the PP he's a good passer

At what age and with how many games played in the NHL, would offensive consistency become an issue, in general?

A 21-year old felled by injuries that caused lost development time, mishandled and rushed by the team that drafted him — how much should that weigh into the assessment of his potential and whether he can achieve it?

 

[Kennerback]

I think it's safe to say that Dach will never be a goal scorer (probably 15-20 per yr guy) but I still can see him becoming a really good playmaker C on a 2nd line.

Dach’s in the big tough playmaking Center mold. Getzlaf would be an example. Getzlaf was not the greatest shooter and was not a goal scoring machine. However, he shot a lot and would get the puck to the net. Then he would pick up the garbage around the net. Getzlaf was very skilled but would get things done instead of being cute.

 

[Wats]

I really hope Montreal puts full effort to develop him this season and leaves Slafkovsky in the AHL to start. Having Dach become a 60+ point guy will make turning things around a lot smoother process.

2022 - Dach/Barron NHL, Slafkovsky/Guhle AHL
2023 - Slafkovsky/Guhle NHL, Roy/Farrell/Mailloux AHL

Make these 4 young guys hit their upside and instead of just throwing them onto NHL ASAP, focus on 2 each of next 2 seasons. Last season was Caufield who got the attention.

LW - Suzuki - Caufield
Slafkovsky - Dach - RW

Guhle - Barron

With more picks coming, we wouldn't need too many more prospects to actually reach their potential to have success.

 

[Vachon23]

Dach’s in the big tough playmaking Center mold. Getzlaf would be an example. Getzlaf was not the greatest shooter and was not a goal scoring machine. However, he shot a lot and would get the puck to the net. Then he would pick up the garbage around the net. Getzlaf was very skilled but would get things done instead of being cute.

Getzlaf was bringing a physicality in his game that make him really special though what Dach doesn't have. I understand what your are saying though

 

[Kennerback]

Getzlaf was bringing a physicality in his game that make him really special though what Dach doesn't have. I understand what your are saying though

Dach has a bit of a mean streak. He showed it with Saskatoon. But unlike Slafkovsky who is a force of nature, Dach was tall, lean and slight at 18. So it’s tough to get too physical with the 27 year olds in the NHL. But he’s filling out and I don’t doubt he’ll get tougher. Dach already has a lot more sandpaper than KK and Galchenyuk.

 

[SlafySZN]

Dach has a bit of a mean streak. He showed it with Saskatoon. But unlike Slafkovsky who is a force of nature, Dach was tall, lean and slight at 18. So it’s tough to get too physical with the 27 year olds in the NHL. But he’s filling out and I don’t doubt he’ll get tougher. Dach already has a lot more sandpaper than KK and Galchenyuk.

Plus he was very good in the playoffs in his rookie season. Almost dominant at times.

 

[Scriptor]

The Habs already took the leap of faith by going out of their way to acquire him, not sure how it's in the team best interest to overcommit to a 4 years deal at the moment when it's Dach's turn to prove them right. 2 years deal now then extension in one and half year if he does well, that should be the natural order of things here.

Smarter move to sign him to a reasonable 4-year salary and give him enough runway to convince Montreal consistently that he is worth big bucks, rather than risk him having a potential outlier season in the second year of a two-year contract, prompting management to extend him for term and big money with no security he can repeat the production level.

Besides, his buyout cost as a RFA, worst come to worst, is 583K per season, a more than negligible amount.

 

[OnTheRun]

Smarter move to sign him to a reasonable 4-year salary and give him enough runway to convince Montreal consistently that he is worth big bucks, rather than risk him having a potential outlier season in the second year of a two-year contract, prompting management to extend him for term and big money with no security he can repeat the production level.

Besides, his buyout cost as a RFA, worst come to worst, is 583K per season, a more than negligible amount.

My post predate his new deal and while my opinion on the subject remain unchanged I have no desire to take it further until 2/3/4 years worth of tangible results are available. He got 4 years and c'est la vie.

 

[Scriptor]

I think you’re responding to a claim I didn’t intend to make.

Of course a player of any wage can play any TOI and on any line. This is obvious, and doesn’t need mentioning.

My point was that Gallagher on the third or fourth line is excessively cap-inefficient (ie bad). A 6.5m player playing bottom6 minutes will have many negative impacts on a team’s overall performance and competitiveness because, as a rule of thumb, a bottom line should be composed of cheaper players. This is to save cap space to pay premium players who will put up points and carry the team’s offensive needs. Caufield’s ELC ends after this year, Suzuki’s big contract kicks in this year. Players who put up points get big minutes and get paid sooner than later. We will need cap space for that, Gallagher eating up a ton of cap by himself takes away from our ability to pay for actually productive and useful players.

Gallagher on the 4th line isn’t just annoying because he’s overpaid… but given the cap, he takes around 8% of the salary cap for a position and contribution that should be around 1 to 2% at most. This 1-2% commitment can be replaced by a younger, hungrier, healthier player too. This problem will continue for another half a decade unless he goes into early LTIRETIREMENT.

He’s the worst contract we have left. A bone in the throat.

Yes, Gallagher is the worst remaining contract from the Bergevin era. However, with Price's contract gone (if it really is on Robidas island), carrying one bad contract for four more years will not prevent HuGo from building a winner, wherever you play Gallagher.

In the last year of Gallagfher's contract (the fifth year, he could be bought out for under 2M over two years.

By then, the cap will also have gone up and Gallagher's impact will likely have dropped from 8% to 7%. Still bad, and definitely not ideal, but there should be enough cheaper contracts, even with Caufield, Slafkovsky and some D (Guhle?) signed to big second contracts.

A smart GM will move other assets for futures to make Cap room that will offset the impact of an expiring Gallagher contract.

As long as HuGo keep drafting and developing well, Gallagher's contract isn't the end all for the Habs.

 

[Scriptor]

Dach really goes out of his way to pass when he should shoot. He’s a great passer but he’s extremely limiting himself if he never shoots.

PS: Even if he has the worst shot ever, he‘s better to mix it up more. He’s extremely noticeable on the ice for goalies because of his size.

Dach said he worked on his shot in the offseason and will look to shoot more in order to become the dual threat he aspires to be. We'll see how that works.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Dach said he worked on his shot in the offseason and will look to shoot more in order to become the dual threat he aspires to be. We'll see how that works.

Dach doesn't have a high end shot but he does have the ability to score in the 20s.. his shot is accurate and his release is fine, he just doesn't put a lot of velocity behind it. However, being accurate and quick can still be effective.

 

[SlafySZN]

Dach doesn't have a high end shot but he does have the ability to score in the 20s.. his shot is accurate and his release is fine, he just doesn't put a lot of velocity behind it. However, being accurate and quick can still be effective.

 

[Adam Michaels]

 

[BaseballCoach]

Yes, Gallagher is the worst remaining contract from the Bergevin era. However, with Price's contract gone (if it really is on Robidas island), carrying one bad contract for four more years will not prevent HuGo from building a winner, wherever you play Gallagher.

In the last year of Gallagfher's contract (the fifth year, he could be bought out for under 2M over two years.

By then, the cap will also have gone up and Gallagher's impact will likely have dropped from 8% to 7%. Still bad, and definitely not ideal, but there should be enough cheaper contracts, even with Caufield, Slafkovsky and some D (Guhle?) signed to big second contracts.

A smart GM will move other assets for futures to make Cap room that will offset the impact of an expiring Gallagher contract.

As long as HuGo keep drafting and developing well, Gallagher's contract isn't the end all for the Habs.

Most teams have, and do survive with, one bad contract.

 

[jrom]

swagger ! hope for him he has fun with this young team and find his game, no matter what his ceiling ends up being