Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal

[Adam Michaels]

We... have no money?
Clearly someone has to be moved still
And if they plan to put Slaf in NHL as well we will need even more cash off the books

I dont know if the plan is to wait for Price/Byron's 13.9 million to go LTIR,
That would obviously be enough to "call up" Slaf, but that still doesnt solve the Dach problem as you'd obviously like him to have a deal before the season starts/LTIR activates

So again to me, all signs point to someone else being shipped for peanuts

On CapFriendly, Slaf is listed on the main roster, so his cap hit is counted and the Habs are under the cap.

They can also go 10% over the cap in the off-season. So they can sign Dach and they'll be fine.

I'm sure Byron will start the year on LTIR. Price is a strong possibility, but we don't know that yet if he'll be good to go or not. So they'll have those as options.

I'm sure Habs will do their best not needing to rely on LTIR and them moving someone out before camp is a strong possibility. And it's not just concerning the cap, they have so many wingers that something's gotta give to make room on the roster.

Right now, under contract for next year, they have Caufield, Anderson, Dadonov, Gallagher, Hoffman, Armia, Drouin, Pitlick, and Pez. And if Slaf starts in Montreal, that is 10 wingers alone.

 

[Redux91]

On CapFriendly, Slaf is listed on the main roster, so his cap hit is counted and the Habs are under the cap.

They can also go 10% over the cap in the off-season. So they can sign Dach and they'll be fine.

I'm sure Byron will start the year on LTIR. Price is a strong possibility, but we don't know that yet if he'll be good to go or not. So they'll have those as options.

I'm sure Habs will do their best not needing to rely on LTIR and them moving someone out before camp is a strong possibility. And it's not just concerning the cap, they have so many wingers that something's gotta give to make room on the roster.

Right now, under contract for next year, they have Caufield, Anderson, Dadonov, Gallagher, Hoffman, Armia, Drouin, Pitlick, and Pez. And if Slaf starts in Montreal, that is 10 wingers alone.

Exactly
No matter what, someone has to go.
Because they arent going to do the 10% over the cap thing and completely DESTROY the trade value of whoever we need to ship out because whichever team has us over a barrel because we'd be in a pinch

I cant imagine they dont already have a good idea about what to sign Dach at, but I'm pretty sure the hold up is these other reasons lol

 

[WeThreeKings]

 

[417]

The best part about it all is the Hawks needed this guy to be the 1C eventually,

But WE don't lol, the expectations and in turn some pressure should alleviate a BIT, seeing as how we really just need this guy to reach 2C now (basically the same reasoning I was OK taking Wright)

I'm so sick of reading about how people can't comprehend that you are sometimes, you know..NOT a finished product by 21????
People viewing 150 NHL games as "this is all he's done so far?" Instead of "YES already 150 NHL games under the belt, at least the ice is broken" is just classic distinguishing people who are glass half full and glass half empty really

Timing probably at play here...if this trade happens 6 months ago it'd probably viewed alot differently.

The truth is most players don't find their footing in the NHL until they're 24-25 and most fans (and teams I suppose) just don't have the patience for it.

 

[Rob Sense]

The best part about it all is the Hawks needed this guy to be the 1C eventually,

But WE don't lol, the expectations and in turn some pressure should alleviate a BIT, seeing as how we really just need this guy to reach 2C now (basically the same reasoning I was OK taking Wright)

I'm so sick of reading about how people can't comprehend that you are sometimes, you know..NOT a finished product by 21????
People viewing 150 NHL games as "this is all he's done so far?" Instead of "YES already 150 NHL games under the belt, at least the ice is broken" is just classic distinguishing people who are glass half full and glass half empty really

I agree 100% with what you said. Must be the way you say because when i brought up this development point earlier in the thread I attracted nuts like a magnet!
This is a key year for Dach no doubt but slotting him behind Suzuki and Dvorak will give him time to find his game and build his confidence back.

 

[OB5]

Did you see that video of him skating is he ever a big boy eh

 

[WeThreeKings]

Did you see that video of him skating is he ever a big boy eh

Big boy with sweet hands.

 

[BJCOLLINS]

this years camp will be one of the youngest & most talented groups since before hfboards was created. My first thought is don’t f@#k this up....lol....scare tissue I guess. I’m very optimistic about MSL and the way he seems to get the kids excited about their own potential & free to explore their creativity. So I’ll stop at that no sense jinxing us.


I wonder if he see’s any similarities to Vinny in Dach?

 

[Wats]

this years camp will be one of the youngest & most talented groups since before hfboards was created. My first thought is don’t f@#k this up....lol....scare tissue I guess. I’m very optimistic about MSL and the way he seems to get the kids excited about their own potential & free to explore their creativity. So I’ll stop at that no sense jinxing us.


I wonder if he see’s any similarities to Vinny in Dach?

Hope you are right, if this camp has more talent than 2007/08 season camp, Habs are going to be contenders sooner than later.

 

[Runner77]

this years camp will be one of the youngest & most talented groups since before hfboards was created. My first thought is don’t f@#k this up....lol....scare tissue I guess. I’m very optimistic about MSL and the way he seems to get the kids excited about their own potential & free to explore their creativity. So I’ll stop at that no sense jinxing us.


I wonder if he see’s any similarities to Vinny in Dach?

The people who have been gathering the talent, have been prioritizing skill, size, speed and smarts. Doesn’t mean they value smaller players less but they seem aware that an asset mix is needed.

If HuGo have been disciplined enough to devise a plan and execute it so far, then there is little chance that they’ll deviate from it.

 

[Andy]

The people who have been gathering the talent, have been prioritizing skill, size, speed and smarts. Doesn’t mean they value smaller players less but they seem aware that an asset mix is needed.

If HuGo have been disciplined enough to devise a plan and execute it so far, then there is little chance that they’ll deviate from it.

I’ve noticed they’ve been targeting skaters who are not afraid to attack the middle of the ice and challenge defenders. It’s going to be an interesting group.

 

[SlafySZN]

I’ve noticed they’ve been targeting skaters who are not afraid to attack the middle of the ice and challenge defenders. It’s going to be an interesting group.

That’s what i’ve been asking for! Caufield needs players around him who are attacking the middle and make plays on the rush.

 

[nhlfan9191]

I agree 100% with what you said. Must be the way you say because when i brought up this development point earlier in the thread I attracted nuts like a magnet!
This is a key year for Dach no doubt but slotting him behind Suzuki and Dvorak will give him time to find his game and build his confidence back.

I hope he gets more opportunity then Dvorak, even if he is struggling a bit. I feel like playing him in the bottom 6 is counterproductive and something old management did a lot with players that had similar potential as Dach. It may not be very pretty all the time, but he needs to play with offensive players, not stuck next to washed up bums like Gallagher, Armia or Byron.

 

[Big Empty]

Did you see that video of him skating is he ever a big boy eh

He looks unreal in a Habs jersey

 

[Garbageyuk]

Anyone remember his projection heading into his draft? I didn’t follow the top of that draft too much. Franchise C? 1C? 2C? No revisionist history please. He’s obviously had a rocky start to his career and his projected ceiling has undoubtedly dropped.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Anyone remember his projection heading into his draft? I didn’t follow the top of that draft too much. Franchise C? 1C? 2C? No revisionist history please. He’s obviously had a rocky start to his career and his projected ceiling has undoubtedly dropped.

He was definitely viewed as a potential 1C. The guy has an elite combo of size, skating and skill. Hasn’t really put it all together yet but the traits are star level. Assuming he’s healthy, maybe he’s a Ryan Johanson, but definitely still has a chance to be a tier above that, like an Eichel or a Zibanajad. I’m a big fan of the player. He’s got all the traits assuming he’s got a good head in his shoulders and the wrist is healthy, he could be even better than Suzuki who I love.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Anyone remember his projection heading into his draft? I didn’t follow the top of that draft too much. Franchise C? 1C? 2C? No revisionist history please. He’s obviously had a rocky start to his career and his projected ceiling has undoubtedly dropped.

He had 1C projection. Not like a KK 1c projection cause he was the first off the board as a center. A legitimate 1c upside.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Anyone remember his projection heading into his draft? I didn’t follow the top of that draft too much. Franchise C? 1C? 2C? No revisionist history please. He’s obviously had a rocky start to his career and his projected ceiling has undoubtedly dropped.

He was highly rated as others have mentioned. His draft year and D+1 was top notch. Wrist injury at the WJC derailed things. Was suppose to be out the remaining of that season but returned to the Blackhawks at the end of the season and had 10 pts in 18 games.

I wouldn't put too much focus on his last season with the Blackhawks. It was just as much of a disaster for them as it was for the Habs. We shouldn't ignore it either though.

I trust MSL will help him become the best he can be.

 

[chef otto]

Habs are going to move contracts. \guys like Armia/Hoffman comes to mind right of the top. Armia is a good piece but Hoffman is an odd one. You can imagine the likes of Drouin/Dadonov moving and are UFA at season ends and same with Allen. Not many teams have cap space so hard one. I predict a bridge deal with Dach(2year) and Montreal moving toward youth.

 

[Habs Halifax]

What's Dach's ceiling? Seguin type? Good offensive player and alright in the 200'/faceoff areas?

 

[Zilo44]

What's Dach's ceiling? Seguin type? Good offensive player and alright in the 200'/faceoff areas?

Looking at his highlights only, he reminds me of Spezza.

If he becomes a good 2C I’ll be happy. Expecting a first line player might be wishful thinking at this point

 

[KevSkillz4]

What's Dach's ceiling? Seguin type? Good offensive player and alright in the 200'/faceoff areas?

We can certainly hope a very good top 6 C, 20g, 40a per season. 60 points, with good two-way ability, 6"4, great hands, great passing ability, that's a very good player to have.

1st line player with 70 points and more production? I don't know, but he have the talent of that, but right now... if he become a 60 points per season with good defensive play, that's very good and very good trade.

The comparable is Getzlaf of style, but he don't going dominate like him.

 

[salbutera]

haha...the point i am making in this circular argument is that you cannot judge the careers of the 2019 draftees at this point. They are 21 year olds and some have not fully developed or even played in the NHL yet. Some had a good year last year and some didn't. So what...this does not amount to a career! The best players may not be the top drafted (ie 2012) Anyone whos believe that a player is hall of famer or a bust at this stage is simply an idiot...present company excluded.

See legendary 2003 draft class:
- 3-years post draft Eric Staal would’ve been the unanimous best player
- 5-years post draft it would’ve been Jeff Carter / Mike Richards
- 8-years post draft Getzlaf, Perry, Weber
- Today it would be hard pressed for anyone to say either Bergeron or Pavelski were not the cream of that cuvée…

 

[Habs Halifax]

We can certainly hope a very good top 6 C, 20g, 40a per season. 60 points, with good two-way ability, 6"4, great hands, great passing ability, that's a very good player to have.

1st line player with 70 points and more production? I don't know, but he have the talent of that, but right now... if he become a 60 points per season with good defensive play, that's very good and very good trade.

The comparable is Getzlaf of style, but he don't going dominate like him.

I think Dach has potential to put up points but I am not sure he becomes a complete 200' guy and good on faceoffs. Areas of the game he can mature over time but not sure it becomes a strength like Suzuki. However, I do value his skating, vision, and skill.

A lot of people are thinking Slaf with Suzuki/Caufield and I can certainly see that but Slaf with Dach might be good too! What wingers do each line get? We will see. A possibility we have two very good lines.

Looking at his highlights only, he reminds me of Spezza.

If he becomes a good 2C I’ll be happy. Expecting a first line player might be wishful thinking at this point

Spezza is a good one too. I personally don't think 1st or 2nd line division. I think top 9 depth and rolling them where you combine the better ones on the PP's.

I'm not solely focused on points. More about how they generate offensive plays and keep the puck in the offensive end. Points will come and go from year/year but the sum off all parts is where you get a good hockey team.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Who has a better season this year? Dach or Romanov? Not going to dwell on it but curious. Both going to new teams and I would assume Dach gets more opportunity?

I think we can guess on how MSL will use Dach. But how does the Islanders use Romanov? Last year Romanov got 64% of D zone starts with a 41% corsi. Very curious to see how they use Romaonv this coming season.