Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal

[BLONG7]

HuGo seemed so hell-bent at acquiring this guy, yet he's still unsigned. What gives? Not very fond of this trade. He certainly wasn't worth a first and third. A typical bergevesque move is how I like to describe it, going after reclaimation projects and hoping for the best. But this one was costly.

I would imagine they have given him a couple of offers, and it's his camp that are taking their time.....
This seems to be the season where we all want stuff done asap..........it's hard being patient, after the past 5-6 seasons, I get that.
For some reason, there is a good feel for me, on this pickup........stay tuned.

 

[Gustave]

The production are not there yet for Dach and comparable at Evans at this point but the ceiling are in two different universe and not the same age. Did you think Evans will manage to get a 1st, 3rd and 4rd pick if the habs trade him? If Evans have the same success in the faceoff circle than Dach in the past season; he will still be playing in AHL ...

Dach have all the talent in the world but for some reason the production is not there yet but give this guy a opportunity to prove otherwise and for god sake stop comparing him to Evans. One of the guy trying to be at top 6 guy with some offensive production and skill with a big body, the other try to be a 9 to 13 forwards and play in the nhl the longer he can and he hope playing 10 games in a row without getting an injury ...

My reading on the player is that he doesn’t have all requirements to say he has all the talent in the world. He’s missing a huge part of it; he can’t shoot nor score goals. That’s not in his repertoire.

I know it seems out of whack but I agree that for the time being, Evans is just as much a player as Dach. I hope something really comes from out of nowhere and he can start to generate worthy of what we gave up for him. I think expecting 3rd overall production can already be put to rest.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

HuGo seemed so hell-bent at acquiring this guy, yet he's still unsigned. What gives? Not very fond of this trade. He certainly wasn't worth a first and third. A typical bergevesque move is how I like to describe it, going after reclaimation projects and hoping for the best. But this one was costly.

Should note that we gave a later first in a weak draft for him
Even the 1st overall isn’t a sure fire, can’t miss player

What would we have gotten at 13 that is better than Dach?

 

[SlafySZN]

My reading on the player is that he doesn’t have all requirements to say he has all the talent in the world. He’s missing a huge part of it; he can’t shoot nor score goals. That’s not in his repertoire.

I know it seems out of whack but I agree that for the time being, Evans is just as much a player as Dach. I hope something really comes from out of nowhere and he can start to generate worthy of what we gave up for him. I think expecting 3rd overall production can already be put to rest.

Of course he can score goals, his first instinct is to pass the puck though, like suzuki he won’t score tons of goals. He is working on his shot this summer he said.

As for Evans, it is a weird comparison, they play nothing alike doesn’t have te same kind of game at all plus you can’t compare the production of a 18-19-20 years old as for right now to a 26/27 years old Evans that is who he is. It’s a fact that Dach is way more talented and as of course more potential than Evans.

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

Should note that we gave a later first in a weak draft for him
Even the 1st overall isn’t a sure fire, can’t miss player

What would we have gotten at 13 that is better than Dach?

Should have not traded Romanov in the first place.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Should have not traded Romanov in the first place.

I agree with that

 

[cphabs]

Thanks for that.

Clearly, his injury was not a deciding factor in respect of faceoff ability other than losing out on some development time. He can’t possibly to be a 2C if there is not a marked improvement on such paltry numbers, wouldn’t you say?

Some? I don’t recall Dach ever being developed. He was thrown into the NHL by a renowned shit franchise. Almost as bad as ours. Also, the wrist injury by all accounts, takes more than 3 months to recover from. Especially if you have to stress it while healing. As in NHL hockey…

 

[Hins77]

Dach trade to me is a High risk, high reward…. As a Mtl fan, we are not use to it, cause Bergevin was pretty conservative back in the days. But I like this kind of move. Even if I appreciated Romanov. I don’t think he is gonna be better than a top 4 dman, wich is very good. But. Dach could become a really good second centerman and he has size, wich Montreal doesn’t have in forward group. I agree, this move could turn bad, but as a management, you need to make that kind of move sometimes, for taking a bigger step forward.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Should have not traded Romanov in the first place.

...it's a calculated risk to achieve a possible high reward...Romanov was seen as at least somewhat replaceable, as LD is arguably our greatest strength in our Prospect Pool...I personally love the move, as I've been a big fan of Dach since his Junior days, and I can't wait to see him flourish in Montreal...

 

[Runner77]

Some? I don’t recall Dach ever being developed. He was thrown into the NHL by a renowned shit franchise. Almost as bad as ours. Also, the wrist injury by all accounts, takes more than 3 months to recover from. Especially if you have to stress it while healing. As in NHL hockey…

I didn’t follow him. It’s one thing to get rushed to the NHL but yet another layer of stagnation when not being surrounded by competent development staff.

Just how bad were Chicago’s development people? Also, Dach was being mentored by Kane as I understand it — that couldn’t have been a negligible advantage.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

I didn’t follow him. It’s one thing to get rushed to the NHL but yet another layer of stagnation when not being surrounded by competent development staff.

Just how bad were Chicago’s development people? Also, Dach was being mentored by Kane as I understand it — that couldn’t have been a negligible advantage.

...according to Dach himself, it was Seabrook who was his "Dad" figure in Chicago...he also apparently was brought "under the wing" by Keith & Toews once Seabrook went into LTIRetirement...

 

[Adam Michaels]

Should have not traded Romanov in the first place.

They will have Guhle, Harris, Norlinder, Schueneman, Fairbrother, Leskinen, and Xhekaj at LD in the pros this year, moving Romanov was calculated.

They took from a position where they have depth to address a position they don't have depth in.

 

[cphabs]

I didn’t follow him. It’s one thing to get rushed to the NHL but yet another layer of stagnation when not being surrounded by competent development staff.

Just how bad were Chicago’s development people? Also, Dach was being mentored by Kane as I understand it — that couldn’t have been a negligible advantage.

I’m not biting lol. Love you buddy lol

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

I’m not biting lol. Love you buddy lol

 

[Runner77]

I’m not biting lol. Love you buddy lol

It wasn’t a trick question.

If Dach had been properly developed, he wouldn’t have been available for what we gave up. This is HuGo seeing a whole lot of untapped potential under the hood.

I hope they’re right.

 

[Runner77]

This is what happens when you spend too much time watching what your grandkids like.

Not that there is anything wrong with it.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

It wasn’t a trick question.

If Dach had been properly developed, he wouldn’t have been available for what we gave up. This is HuGo seeing a whole lot of untapped potential under the hood.

I hope they’re right.

This is what happens when you spend too much time watching what your grandkids like.

Not that there is anything wrong with it.

...lol...good thing the older one loves Hockey videos as well or I'd be wandering the neighborhood singing "Under the Sea" all weekend...

 

[cphabs]

It wasn’t a trick question.

If Dach had been properly developed, he wouldn’t have been available for what we gave up. This is HuGo seeing a whole lot of untapped potential under the hood.

I hope they’re right.

A misinterpretation on my part… You could have just posted that. Hold on… trying an emoji

 

[Galchenyuk15]

My reading on the player is that he doesn’t have all requirements to say he has all the talent in the world. He’s missing a huge part of it; he can’t shoot nor score goals. That’s not in his repertoire.

I know it seems out of whack but I agree that for the time being, Evans is just as much a player as Dach. I hope something really comes from out of nowhere and he can start to generate worthy of what we gave up for him. I think expecting 3rd overall production can already be put to rest.

Dach has some flaws on his game and is not the next big thing. He has difficulty to score at every level, but he have a mentality of passer first, and he can't win a faceoff but this thing can be adjust with practice time and some confidence. I don't want to compare the 2 players buts John Leclair did not seem a 40 goals scorers before finding is confidence with Lindros. Dach don't have a Lindros to elevate is game here and he don't have the grinding game Leclair has but I hope you understand my point; we have not see the real Dach yet and what he can achieve when he found is game. Maybe he will never found it but I'm ready to take the risk and invest some time in this guy!

And for the comparaison with Evans, I really don't understand that; one is trying playing hockey and the other anti-hockey. Dach have soft hand, he can deke 3 guys between the 2 blue lines and he protect the puck a la Getzlaf-Thornton when he turn is back to protect the puck! This guy did not have the number but don't get me wrong Dach will be a offensive player if he can establish in the NHL or he will go at another level, I don't see him with 3 line minute duty and that kind of responsability.

Evans and Dach will never compete for the same role and will never be in competition. You can find a Jake Evans on every team or every year but you can't say the same for a Kirby Dach prototype player. My biggest fear for Dach is this guy have a big body but play a finesse game, a la Pacioretty, and don't really love when the things become harder!

 

[Draft]

People really seem to forget what kind of player and prospect he is. I get that his Development has been a bit wonky, but this guy is a special player. I watched a lot of him in Saskatoon and if we were to take his draft year and compare it to this year’s crop… he’s fighting for 1OA against Slaf and Wright. Exceptional IQ, good speed, great hands, and a great frame he’s still growing into. There’s a lot to like - I’d happily have him over KK or Romanov in terms of pure upside.

 

[HuGort]

Old Lou took a rookie GM to school on this trade. Romanov is real good hitter whose offense would evolve into good defenseman. Dach reminds me of Benoit Pouliot. A so-so NHL career but never reach anything close to being third overall pick

 

[Andy]

Old Lou took a rookie GM to school on this trade. Romanov is real good hitter whose offense would evolve into good defenseman. Dach reminds me of Benoit Pouliot. A so-so NHL career but never reach anything close to being third overall pick

Lou gave a 13OA pick for a young inconsistent dman who has shown zero offensive ability in his young career and has never been projected to be a point producer.

Had the habs traded their 13OA for a dman of similar caliber, we would be trashing our GM.

The habs traded their 13OA for a player picked 3rd overall three years ago. The last time we traded for a player selected 3rd it cost the team Sergachev.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Old Lou took a rookie GM to school on this trade. Romanov is real good hitter whose offense would evolve into good defenseman. Dach reminds me of Benoit Pouliot. A so-so NHL career but never reach anything close to being third overall pick

That was actually great value for Romanov.

The one I think who schooled Hughes was Davidson as he got a bidding war going and got much out of depreciating asset.

 

[habsgirl5000]

People really seem to forget what kind of player and prospect he is. I get that his Development has been a bit wonky, but this guy is a special player.

yeah, he is so special, Chicago didn't want him, LOL

 

[Runner77]

That was actually great value for Romanov.

The one I think who schooled Hughes was Davidson as he got a bidding war going and got much out of depreciating asset.

If there was a bidding war, then there were other GMs (at least one more, to be conservative) who did not think that Dach was a depreciating asset at age 21. Dach can yet be flipped. Hopefully, it won’t come to that and he will find his game.