Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal

[admiralcadillac]

Yeah that's why I said hypothetically... Not a lot of proven players there. We don't know what to expect from CC yet, Dach, Slaf, Drouin, I highly doubt Dvo scores 40+ points, etc. I don't expect much offensively, although I hope that all of Slaf (if he stays in Mtl), CC, NS and KD can score nice totals. Still far from a playoff contender lineup IMO

If dvo is our third line centre he doesn't have to score 40. That being said he played much better under Marty.

If Dach has a bad year his stock will plummet and will be maybe worth a 3rd. 50/50 chance of this.

Whereas taking any of the great prospects with 13 would have had 3 years where is they played average, they still would be worth something. Just like Dach was.

There is only a 50/50 chance in that there are two options to your narrative, not that Dach only has a 50% chance of succeeding. Clearly Montreal doesn't see Dach improving as a coinflip.

 

[Beer and Chips]

Lets see, next season he will suck, the team will suck, and people will say it doesn't matter because it's a chance at Bedard or Fantilli. Great strategy.

 

[japhi]

I hate this narrative

We traded Romanov for a 13th overall pick
We traded that 13th overall pick for Dach

We could have done many different thing once we had that pick in hand.

We practically paid double than what we paid for Dvorak (and I thought this was an overpayment) considering the value of the 13th overall.....I sure as hell hope Dach will be better, a lot better than Dvorak.

This trade won't be a wash if Dach doesn't improve, hell...it will be a wash if Dach produce 60 points per season.

Suzuki is a 13th overall, Caufield is a 15th overall, Guhle is a 16th overall.
Ottawa got a legit 40 goals scorer for the 7th overall pick and we got a project with the 13th overall......I expect nothing less than a solid 2nd line center in return

Solid 2C in the NHL is sub 50 points, especially if they bring qualities other then offense. Only 75 forwards total had more then 60 points last year.

Take any random draft and there are 2-3 C's, maybe, that will produce 60 points peak career. After 10 results drop off dramatically. I just looked randomly at 2012 and no one would meet your criteria in the first round. Hertl has had 60+ twice, Faska once.

Dach definitely has to improve but if your expectations are 60 points consistently for the 13th pick you may want to temper, especially in what is considered a weak draft.

 

[26Mats]

Lets see, next season he will suck, the team will suck, and people will say it doesn't matter because it's a chance at Bedard or Fantilli. Great strategy.

It's a move where the incoming player may have more upside than Romanov, but is much less of a sure thing, given where Romanov has already progressed to.

But some centers take until 25 to hit their stride. So I wouldn't judge him after this year.

 

[BJCOLLINS]

I, for one am excited to see how they play together.... if there is any chemistry. Right now we don’t know......but Dach is pass first & Slaf likes to shoot. Hope they do well.

 

[Beer and Chips]

It's a move where the incoming player may have more upside than Romanov, but is much less of a sure thing, given where Romanov has already progressed to.

But some centers take until 25 to hit their stride. So I wouldn't judge him after this year.

But judged an 18 year old as useless.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

I hate this narrative

We traded Romanov for a 13th overall pick
We traded that 13th overall pick for Dach

We could have done many different thing once we had that pick in hand.

We practically paid double than what we paid for Dvorak (and I thought this was an overpayment) considering the value of the 13th overall.....I sure as hell hope Dach will be better, a lot better than Dvorak.

This trade won't be a wash if Dach doesn't improve, hell...it will be a wash if Dach produce 60 points per season.

Suzuki is a 13th overall, Caufield is a 15th overall, Guhle is a 16th overall.
Ottawa got a legit 40 goals scorer for the 7th overall pick and we got a project with the 13th overall......I expect nothing less than a solid 2nd line center in return

You are 100percent right

 

[McGuires Corndog]

I, for one am excited to see how they play together.... if there is any chemistry. Right now we don’t know......but Dach is pass first & Slaf likes to shoot. Hope they do well.

C’mon man. You gotta play Slaf with Suzuki & Caufield. He’s like their very own T-800 Terminator sent back in time to protect them.

 

[Milhouse40]

Solid 2C in the NHL is sub 50 points, especially if they bring qualities other then offense. Only 75 forwards total had more then 60 points last year.

Take any random draft and there are 2-3 C's, maybe, that will produce 60 points peak career. After 10 results drop off dramatically. I just looked randomly at 2012 and no one would meet your criteria in the first round. Hertl has had 60+ twice, Faska once.

Dach definitely has to improve but if your expectations are 60 points consistently for the 13th pick you may want to temper, especially in what is considered a weak draft.

Okay, I'll temper them...50 points.

But that need to be at least that.....if the 7th overall is good enough to get a 75 points players, the 13th overall against a 50 points player should be the minimum, right?

Trochek, Danault, RNH, R. Strome...all ''solid'' 2nd line center with 50 to 54 points last year.

I can show a bunch of trade with 40-50 points players that didn't even cost a 1st, let alone a 13 overall, we should at the minimum get 50+ points for a 13th overall. Don't think it's impossible to see Dach jump higher than this, but it has to happen to be worth a 13th.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

We traded from a position of strength and filled a need. I just hope Dach pans out because Romanov was a solid 2nd pairing dman.



Do you even know who's going to be going at 13th in a few minutes from now? I'm going to assume no.

In a vacuum, it's Romanov + 2nd + 4th for Dach.

Position of strength ??? Haha, have you seen our d?
It’s f***ing terribad.

 

[rahad]

Montreal is collecting disappointing 3rd overall pick.

 

[Zilo44]

Romanov for the 13th pick was a solid deal. Now, the question is who projects as a better centre between Dach and Nazar. Honestly, I have no clue. You know Dach is an NHLer and he could establish himself as a good 2C more quickly. But the downside is the possibility of having paid too much for a 3C.

As for Nazar, guys drafted at 13 are total crapshot. Might be excellent or might not play much in the league.

 

[japhi]

Okay, I'll temper them...50 points.

But that need to be at least that.....if the 7th overall is good enough to get a 75 points players, the 13th overall against a 50 points player should be the minimum, right?

Trochek, Danault, RNH, R. Strome...all ''solid'' 2nd line center with 50 to 54 points last year.

I can show a bunch of trade with 40-50 points players that didn't even cost a 1st, let alone a 13 overall, we should at the minimum get 50+ points for a 13th overall. Don't think it's impossible to see Dach jump higher than this, but it has to happen to be worth a 13th.

Don't disagree they better have this right! I think a 45 point 2 way big C is more then worth the 13th OA based on previous drafts. Most of these guys after 10 won't do 30/40 much less 50. I'm not convinced Wright will be a 60 point C.

 

[FF de Mars]

Dach lived at Brent Seabrook's house for his first two seasons. Brent was his mentor on Chicago. He trained with Guhle for the past 4-5 years and are close friends. He's a foodie, he likes fashion, and mentionned he might want to learn some French. Said Montréal was a nice little fashion town and loves the ice of the Bell center. He's excited about the direction the Canadiens are trending and can't wait to play for MSL. He knows Barron too. Many players texted him, he feels like he's part of the team already.

 

[26Mats]

But judged an 18 year old as useless.

?

Romanov for the 13th pick was a solid deal. Now, the question is who projects as a better centre between Dach and Nazar. Honestly, I have no clue. You know Dach is an NHLer and he could establish himself as a good 2C more quickly. But the downside is the possibility of having paid too much for a 3C.

As for Nazar, guys drafted at 13 are total crapshot. Might be excellent or might not play much in the league.

I think it's Romanov vs. Whoever was next best on their list at the time the 13th pick was about to be made vs. Dach.

But really, the only reason they moved Romanov was to get Dach. The Hawks said they wanted picks. So they moved Romanov to get the picks that Chicago wanted. So it was Romanov vs. Dach until we hear otherwise.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Dach lived at Brent Seabrook's house for his first two seasons. Brent was his mentor on Chicago.

...so at least we know he's big on two things:

1. Defensive Responsibility
2. Aquatic last names

 

[morhilane]

I'm feeling optimistic with Dach. It seems Chicago was just throwing him to the wolves and didn't give him much opportunities. He should get much better opportunities in Montréal.

I also think his confidence was in the crater. MSL should help with that.

 

[larrymoeschemp]

Don't disagree they better have this right! I think a 45 point 2 way big C is more then worth the 13th OA based on previous drafts. Most of these guys after 10 won't do 30/40 much less 50. I'm not convinced Wright will be a 60 point C.

And the way Jake evans played last year , he could be better then dach
Very low expectations with dach
If he doesn’t pan out, the habs hopefully can get a top end Centre in the draft next year or the will be in sabres territory for years

 

[RealityBytes]

Decides to play? He's gonna play, at least that's the last info we got...

If he does, it will be interesting to watch how the cap and possible other trades/dumps turn out.

 

[Lshap]

I hate this narrative

We traded Romanov for a 13th overall pick
We traded that 13th overall pick for Dach

We could have done many different thing once we had that pick in hand.

We practically paid double than what we paid for Dvorak (and I thought this was an overpayment) considering the value of the 13th overall.....I sure as hell hope Dach will be better, a lot better than Dvorak.

This trade won't be a wash if Dach doesn't improve, hell...it will be a wash if Dach produce 60 points per season.

Suzuki is a 13th overall, Caufield is a 15th overall, Guhle is a 16th overall.
Ottawa got a legit 40 goals scorer for the 7th overall pick and we got a project with the 13th overall......I expect nothing less than a solid 2nd line center in return

Most mid-1st round picks don't turn out like Suzuki or Caufield. If we're betting on potential, Dach has much better odds of becoming a solid 2C than this year's 13OA.

 

[Adam Michaels]

 

[JeffreyLFC]

So the official trade:
Part 1 [Alexander Romanov + Isaiah George] (or Frank Nazar) + Part 2 [Gavin Hayes]
For
Kirby Dach.

 

[OnTheRun]

I'm feeling optimistic with Dach. It seems Chicago was just throwing him to the wolves and didn't give him much opportunities. He should get much better opportunities in Montréal.

I also think his confidence was in the crater. MSL should help with that.

Yes because the Habs can easily do better in term of opportunities than the significant ice time the Hawks gave him with Kane and DeBrincat.

 

[Jabba11]

Man, Habs fans never seem satisfied. Kirby is still so freaking young. Can you imagine how people would be thrashing Lafreniere right now if we selected him? Are people here really crying about losing Romanov and a 13th pick for a Right handed 6ft4 big bodied centerman with soft hands and crazy skills? Like do you want me to remind you about the Desharnais and Gomez era? Really? Kirby Dach is like the Bergevin's dream player to acquire. Kent Hughes jumped on a player that was underperforming yet still so young and that's insane of a price we got for him. They gave up on him so quickly.

Kirby is talented and has NHL experience. In a new setting, a good setting with good management, he can flourish. This kid can easily become an insane big bodied playmaker for us.

Kirby has over 150 NHL games experience, compared to a guy like Turcotte who has yet to play his first game. Players need time.

Very excited for Dach to be in Montreal, Welcome!

 

[bishop12]

Are people actually suggesting Dach is a bust? lol

THis is a killer trade for Montreal. 6'4 farmed prospect....the 13th overall would have been a lesser prospect with a 2-3 year window.