Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

[Goalfield13]

Whoa whoa…you Dach people??

Now you’re bringing RACE into this?!?!

I'm sorry. I am a product of a different time.

 

[Monsieur Miz]

I'm Dachphobic, so what.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

I'm sorry. I am a product of a different time.

APPARENTLY!

 

[Miller Time]

Who is quitting on a player? I merely said to put him in the bottom 6 while he finds his game again. He would have had no pressure to produce in that spot and could have easier match-ups. Did I say trade him or shoot him out of a cannon? I never once said to put him on waivers ever. Stop making these ridiculous arguments that I never made.

Why are you mentioning Dvorak? How about Evans, who has been far superior at both ends of the ice? Funny how you ignore him and instead focus on a easy target. Dvorak has been at least serviceable this year.

You are talking about a long-term view, but you are the one being short-sighted. Why not let him play bottom 6 in the short run so he can get his game back later on in the season to play top 6 again? I bet he has had a wonderful time finding his game in the top 6 this year. No stress at all.

Building a strong culture is making player accountable and putting them in the best situation to succeed. We do not agree on how to get the player there, but we both want the player to be in the top 6 playing a key role by the end of the season. You just want instant gratification. I want to do it properly. Most teams play players in easier roles when coming back from injuries. It isn't an uncommon practice.

Evans averages 10s less ice time per game than Dach, but has played 82 more shifts...

Guess why that is?


I think you aren't actually considering how ice time deployment works through the different phases of the game, nor the huge PK role that Evans occupies.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Who is quitting on a player? I merely said to put him in the bottom 6 while he finds his game again. He would have had no pressure to produce in that spot and could have easier match-ups. Did I say trade him or shoot him out of a cannon? I never once said to put him on waivers ever. Stop making these ridiculous arguments that I never made.

Those ridiculous arguments have been made repeatedly here. Not by you? Cool. But he's still been dragged on relentlessly by tons of people here - definitely you included.

Bottom six? Again... replaced by????? Dvorak? Evans is already playing more than Dach is.

Why are you mentioning Dvorak? How about Evans, who has been far superior at both ends of the ice? Funny how you ignore him and instead focus on a easy target. Dvorak has been at least serviceable this year.

As I have said repeatedly, Evans is having success because he's being used in the right chair. We tried him at 2nd with Caufiled and it was a failure. So instead of having one line not working we had two.

And Evans is playing more than Dach anyway.

So who do we replace Dach on the 2nd with? The only guy left is Dvorak.

You are talking about a long-term view, but you are the one being short-sighted. Why not let him play bottom 6 in the short run so he can get his game back later on in the season to play top 6 again? I bet he has had a wonderful time finding his game in the top 6 this year. No stress at all.

A few reasons.

1. We don't have a replacement.
2. This team is not going to the playoffs.
3. Let him work through things and gain confidence.

We should be taking a long term view. This year doesn't mean anything. We need to use this year as an evaluation season. We said this even before the year begain. Demidov, Hage, Beck, Fowler, RB, Mailloux... all these guys are coming. In two years the team will be radically different. Now is the time to evaluate guys like Dach. If he's not going to be able to recover, better we know that now. And the only way to really know is to play him.

Building a strong culture is making player accountable and putting them in the best situation to succeed. We do not agree on how to get the player there, but we both want the player to be in the top 6 playing a key role by the end of the season. You just want instant gratification. I want to do it properly. Most teams play players in easier roles when coming back from injuries. It isn't an uncommon practice.

So.... I'm the one who wants instant gratification here? Explain this Mr "I'm going to give him 41 games and no more".

There's nothing "proper" about sidelining a guy who's just done a year of rehab... esp when there's no replacement for him. That's not the proper way to do things.

Again, if say... Hage were here? Different story. Then you have no choice but to play him. But we don't have that.

 

[Goalfield13]

Those ridiculous arguments have been made repeatedly here. Not by you? Cool. But he's still been dragged on relentlessly by tons of people here - definitely you included.

Bottom six? Again... replaced by????? Dvorak? Evans is already playing more than Dach is.

As I have said repeatedly, Evans is having success because he's being used in the right chair. We tried him at 2nd with Caufiled and it was a failure. So instead of having one line not working we had two.

And Evans is playing more than Dach anyway.

So who do we replace Dach on the 2nd with? The only guy left is Dvorak.


A few reasons.

1. We don't have a replacement.
2. This team is not going to the playoffs.
3. Let him work through things and gain confidence.

We should be taking a long term view. This year doesn't mean anything. We need to use this year as an evaluation season. We said this even before the year begain. Demidov, Hage, Beck, Fowler, RB, Mailloux... all these guys are coming. In two years the team will be radically different. Now is the time to evaluate guys like Dach. If he's not going to be able to recover, better we know that now. And the only way to really know is to play him.


So.... I'm the one who wants instant gratification here?

There's nothing proper about sidelining a guy who's just done a year of rehab... esp when there's no replacement for him. That's not the proper way to do things.

Again, if say... Hage were here? Different story. Then you have no choice but to play him. But we don't have that.

I made snide comments. I don't make dumb ones giving up on the player.

Again, we have had this discussion a millions times, and I am exhausted. I am calling it a day.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

I made snide comments. I don't make dumb ones giving up on the player.

Again, we have had this discussion a millions times, and I am exhausted. I am calling it a day.

My only issue was with the snideness you had with me but again…whatever.

I don’t think your criticisms are out of line. He might not be able to build off this game. And even if he does, his lack of a shot could be a problem. And even if it isn’t the mind set could be an issue. And even if it isn’t he could be plagued with injuries his career. He’s got quite a few obstacles over come and he might not be a Hab long term.

I half agreed with Dach going down a line or two. I thought it would help but honestly it seemed like a case of even more preferred treatment than the one you were criticizing really. Why should we mess with all the other lines that are doing well just to get one guy going?

We’ll see how the experiment ultimately works out but I think it’s actually not a bad idea to get the 3 struggling players on the same line. Rather have them work it out together then spreading them out through the line up. There’s a logic to it that makes sense to me at least

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

Kirby's on his way back, patience.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

I'm Dachphobic, so what.

Haha, yeah what’s your problem with Dach? You said you NEVER liked his game?

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

He's made some terrific plays this year and got squat out of it. He's the modern day Chris Higgins. That's the only other player I've seen so snakebit.

Dach has been snakebit in a different way. He hasn't played well but every mistake is a goal against. It's almost creepy how it's happened. Takes a penalty? Goal against. Makes a bad play? It's in our net. I mean it'd be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

I seen him play really well but make some really bad decisions with the puck. He loses it plenty.

Hopefully it’s a confidence issue. He’s crazy fast with a piss missile of a shot and actually a damn good passer when he’s on.

Hopefully patience with him can pay off

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

Missed the game, I had to watch highlights, glad that he scored twice, now he needs to build on that performance.

 

[Shutdown]

he didn't play all that much better than he has lately - the pucks just went in this time. people shat on him for that missed opportunity last game where he got robbed, but when your confidence is low, that's the type of stuff that happens. you fumble, you can't place the puck where you want it.
this is very similar to what Slaf went through in November 2023 where he was playing alright but getting no points - things fell into place in December and for the rest of the season (and fans acted like he just figured out how to play hockey all of a sudden as opposed to noticing the gradual progress).

with all the injuries, we haven't seen enough of Dach to know whether he can battle mentally. he played well at the end of the 2022-2023 season. he had a good start to last season. some players need the reset of an off-season and some players can figure it out in-season, like Slaf seems to be able to.

like i said, i don't think Dach's been playing bad lately, he's just been unproductive. so hopefully he can keep his confidence up and string some productive games together.

 

[FourQuarters]

I seen him play really well but make some really bad decisions with the puck. He loses it plenty.

Hopefully it’s a confidence issue. He’s crazy fast with a piss missile of a shot and actually a damn good passer when he’s on.

Hopefully patience with him can pay off

Nobody could win all the puck battles, when you noticed he loses it a lot, that means he involved in and battled for it a lot. He is the guy who battles and dig the puck on the line.

 

[Kaiden Ghoul]

Mon beau Kirby

Heard recently that the org was giving 40 games to him to regain him form, if he can stay healthy and finish strong... Watch out next year with Laine and Demidov on the 2nd line

 

[Artaud]

Word on the street is that Kirby, seduced by the mystic charms of tourtière and turkey, has doubled down on his chubbyness over the holidays, going full Byfuglien in an attempt to redefine himself with the likes of fat hockey legends like Phil Kessel. Looks like it's working so far.

 

[NobleSix]

Not one player that needed this game as much as him. Hopefully he can continue it because we need him to pan out. He's looked much better the last 5 games.

 

[HabzSauce]

Don't you think though that players coming back from serious injuries such as this one can have different timelines? I mean, why game 41? Why not game 60 or 82?

You can demand all you want - he's going to play the way he's going to play. And even if he does improve, I still think Montreal will continue to look for more center talent regardless.

I'm not sold on him either but we have all the time in the world. Has until October 2025 to figure himself out

 

[ReHabs]

Not one player that needed this game as much as him. Hopefully he can continue it because we need him to pan out. He's looked much better the last 5 games.

Very happy for him. Most of the game is mental, getting the proverbial monkey off his back should help.

 

[Rapala]

Not one player that needed this game as much as him. Hopefully he can continue it because we need him to pan out. He's looked much better the last 5 games.

Yeah he'll feel better around the guys in the room as will Newhook after that one.
It doesn't get talked about much but this is the most important thing for a hockey player.
That's why Anderson looks so much better this year he's contributing to the collective effort.

I'm not sold on him either but we have all the time in the world. Has until October 2025 to figure himself out

He has to start somewhere.
Once again his skating is improving it's been commented on for about 4 games now.
What is the difference between a Dach who is a half step behind and a Dach who gets there in time?

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Not one player that needed this game as much as him. Hopefully he can continue it because we need him to pan out. He's looked much better the last 5 games.

He was getting chances. Before, he was missing. Yesterday, he scored. Before, he was Hughes’ biggest mistakes. If he repeats today against Tampa, he’ll be among Hughes’ more masterful moves. Until, of course, he starts missing again.

This is Montreal, the fans are either singing or condemning. After watching this team for 70 years I’ve learned to ignore the noise.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

2 goals in 1 game?? That's like 4 touchdowns in one game

When is he eligible for max extension?

Jokes aside it was a good game can't believe I missed the Double Dach and Newhook's first career assist

 

[DAChampion]

I'm going to remember people arguing that the Habs should have Harvey-Pinard play above Dach in the lineup.

 

[Victoire HuGo]

I'm going to remember people arguing that the Habs should have Harvey-Pinard play above Dach in the lineup.

People are out to lunch with this guy which is mind boggling given the injury he suffered.

He's the worst player in the league
He'd go unclaimed if he hit waivers
Never deserved to be taken this high
All of his production came as a winger with Suzuki Caufield

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

People are out to lunch with this guy which is mind boggling given the injury he suffered.

He's the worst player in the league
He'd go unclaimed if he hit waivers
Never deserved to be taken this high
All of his production came as a winger with Suzuki Caufield

He’s been bad, there’s no sugarcoating it. One big game doesn’t change that.

But he’s slowly been improving and it’s about time he got some production out of it. I don’t know if he’ll ever fully recover but for now we need to just keep playing him. For all the legit criticism they’ve received he and Newhook should have more points than they do.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

I'm going to remember people arguing that the Habs should have Harvey-Pinard play above Dach in the lineup.

When was that lmao

Sounds made up