Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

[NotProkofievian]

More seems like the simple answer. Why is 17 the number ? He missed a whole year. It will take time.

It's not the number, but there's gotta be *a* number.

It doesn't sound like he's playing better from game to game. Is anyone willing to make that claim right now?

 

[Toene]

pretty sure same goes for Sakic fleecing Hughes with Newhook.

"Fleecing". Im not sure we even won the trade, but a young middle-6 guy with speed who can sub at center in a pinch for a late first and some other pick is far from a robbery.

 

[teamfirst]

"Fleecing". Im not sure we even won the trade, but a young middle-6 guy with speed who can sub at center in a pinch for a late first and some other pick is far from a robbery.

31st and 37th, and let's face it Newhook is more like a bottom 6 with no size but he does have speed

 

[Bring Bak Damphousse]

He should have his legs in game shape. 17 games isn't enough time to show compete and intensity?

You see contract holdouts who miss preseason look like ass for 20-30 games, cut the guy who missed a full season with injury some slack.

 

[The Great Weal]

You see contract holdouts who miss preseason look like ass for 20-30 games, cut the guy who missed a full season with injury some slack.

Which top 6 player with a contract hold out looked like ass for 30 games?

 

[Miller Time]

Which top 6 player with a contract hold out looked like ass for 30 games?

Zegras, Trevor

 

[BLONG7]

Dach has to be better guys, but way too soon to jump ship on him.
Returning from surgery and a year off, is not going as planned, tat's for sure....

 

[teamfirst]

Dach has to be better guys, but way too soon to jump ship on him.
Returning from surgery and a year off, is not going as planned, tat's for sure....

Agree with you, way too soon to panic, what worry's me tho is his body language right now, he needs to be more agressive.

He looks like a guy who's getting down on himself, and that's not good ""ChaRaCteR'' wise

 

[red devil]

Which top 6 player with a contract hold out looked like ass for 30 games?

When Nylander held out with his negotiation with Dubas. When he came back he looked like ass for the entire season. He scored 7 goals in 54 games.

 

[Chili]

Starting to feel the same way. Chicago who was about to start a rebuild trades a 21 y/o 3rd overall, 6'4 220 RH center? Odd.

It's a valid question. Some of the thoughts of the Hawks' forum:

Is Kirby Dach ready to be the #1 centre next season?

Or do you think he needs a couple years under his belt in the second line center role. I think the main reason why he could be the #1 centre (aside from being drafted 3rd overall in 2019) is because Kane will make him that much better. I hope these two are stapled together for the next season...

forums.hfboards.com

Confirmed with Link: - Kirby Dach to Montreal for 13th and 66th overall picks

forums.hfboards.com

Jul 7, 2022
I am fine with this

Sure, it could haunt Hawks if he gets it together but the risk of him struggling again and his value diminishing further was too great

Also I am not sold on him working out as a C in NHL at this point

Holding onto potential has been mistake of many GM's

Knew we were in trouble with that pick when he was alone in the slot looking to pass the puck. Clear lane to the net. Saw this too many times to count

There’s no denying he’s very talented. My issue with him was that he always leaves himself vulnerable to big hits, and that doesn’t work when you’re made of glass.

Doesn't win faceoffs .....bad for a center.....doesn't win board battles.....bad for a forward......he's got talent.....but I'm pretty damn excited about the return for Dach, Debrincat and Hagel......Hagel would have been the one I would have loved to hang on to of the three, but the return was insane....how do you turn that down?

 

[Tyson]

It's a valid question. Some of the thoughts of the Hawks' forum:

Is Kirby Dach ready to be the #1 centre next season?

Or do you think he needs a couple years under his belt in the second line center role. I think the main reason why he could be the #1 centre (aside from being drafted 3rd overall in 2019) is because Kane will make him that much better. I hope these two are stapled together for the next season...

forums.hfboards.com

Confirmed with Link: - Kirby Dach to Montreal for 13th and 66th overall picks

forums.hfboards.com

 

[The Great Weal]

When Nylander held out with his negotiation with Dubas. When he came back he looked like ass for the entire season. He scored 7 goals in 54 games.

That's a fair-ish example, although "entire season" is incorrect. In the last 35 games, he had 6 goals and 24 points. I wouldn't call that ass. However, in the first 19 games he had 3 points averaging 2 minutes less/game than Dach is this season.

Not that "19 games" should be the magical number, but this can't continue for the entire season with Dach.

Andrei Svechnikov tore his ACL causing him to miss 33 games+playoffs but was still excellent in his next season. Now if the argument is that missing 80 games is far more impactful than the amount Svechnikov lost, you also have to consider how it took Svech closer to the start of next season to be able to train properly.

Hertl also had an excellent following season when he missed half a season with the same injury as Dach.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

That's a fair-ish example, although "entire season" is incorrect. In the last 35 games, he had 6 goals and 24 points. I wouldn't call that ass. However, in the first 19 games he had 3 points averaging 2 minutes less/game than Dach is this season.

Not that "19 games" should be the magical number, but this can't continue for the entire season with Dach.

Andrei Svechnikov tore his ACL causing him to miss 33 games+playoffs but was still excellent in his next season. Now if the argument is that missing 80 games is far more impactful than the amount Svechnikov lost, you also have to consider how it took Svech closer to the start of next season to be able to train properly.

Hertl also had an excellent following season when he missed half a season with the same injury as Dach.

Agree with you on this , Dach had 20 games to get his shape back. You can't just wait an entire season for a guy to get his marks again.

He's barely physical. His passing plays or on ice decision are way off . Not everything is around his injury. Just his game sense seems completely off this season

 

[red devil]

That's a fair-ish example, although "entire season" is incorrect. In the last 35 games, he had 6 goals and 24 points. I wouldn't call that ass. However, in the first 19 games he had 3 points averaging 2 minutes less/game than Dach is this season.

Not that "19 games" should be the magical number, but this can't continue for the entire season with Dach.

Andrei Svechnikov tore his ACL causing him to miss 33 games+playoffs but was still excellent in his next season. Now if the argument is that missing 80 games is far more impactful than the amount Svechnikov lost, you also have to consider how it took Svech closer to the start of next season to be able to train properly.

Hertl also had an excellent following season when he missed half a season with the same injury as Dach.

I don't know what is going on with Dach at the moment. If he is subconsciously nervous about getting into physical battles because of the injuries he had over the years. That he isn't reading the play properly if he needs more reps or that he has lost confidence. I would try something different by taking him off the 1st powerplay unit and put him at center with Gallagher and Anderson. Dvorak has seemed to play better between them and I wonder if putting Dach between will help him. They play more a straight forward game and it will allow him just to play a simple game.

 

[salbutera]

I don't know what is going on with Dach at the moment. If he is subconsciously nervous about getting into physical battles because of the injuries he had over the years. That he isn't reading the play properly if he needs more reps or that he has lost confidence. I would try something different by taking him off the 1st powerplay unit and put him at center with Gallagher and Anderson. Dvorak has seemed to play better between them and I wonder if putting Dach between will help him. They play more a straight forward game and it will allow him just to play a simple game.

Only issue is Dach is atrocious on face offs & defensively quite inept at C