It's not the number, but there's gotta be *a* number.
It doesn't sound like he's playing better from game to game. Is anyone willing to make that claim right now?
Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2
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It's not the number, but there's gotta be *a* number.
It doesn't sound like he's playing better from game to game. Is anyone willing to make that claim right now?
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"Fleecing". Im not sure we even won the trade, but a young middle-6 guy with speed who can sub at center in a pinch for a late first and some other pick is far from a robbery.
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31st and 37th, and let's face it Newhook is more like a bottom 6 with no size but he does have speed
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Fire Bergevin...into the Sun
You see contract holdouts who miss preseason look like ass for 20-30 games, cut the guy who missed a full season with injury some slack.
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Which top 6 player with a contract hold out looked like ass for 30 games?
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Dach has to be better guys, but way too soon to jump ship on him.
Returning from surgery and a year off, is not going as planned, tat's for sure....
Returning from surgery and a year off, is not going as planned, tat's for sure....
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Agree with you, way too soon to panic, what worry's me tho is his body language right now, he needs to be more agressive.
He looks like a guy who's getting down on himself, and that's not good ""ChaRaCteR'' wise
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When Nylander held out with his negotiation with Dubas. When he came back he looked like ass for the entire season. He scored 7 goals in 54 games.
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It's a valid question. Some of the thoughts of the Hawks' forum:
Is Kirby Dach ready to be the #1 centre next season?
Or do you think he needs a couple years under his belt in the second line center role. I think the main reason why he could be the #1 centre (aside from being drafted 3rd overall in 2019) is because Kane will make him that much better. I hope these two are stapled together for the next season...
Confirmed with Link: - Kirby Dach to Montreal for 13th and 66th overall picks
It's a valid question. Some of the thoughts of the Hawks' forum:
Is Kirby Dach ready to be the #1 centre next season?
Or do you think he needs a couple years under his belt in the second line center role. I think the main reason why he could be the #1 centre (aside from being drafted 3rd overall in 2019) is because Kane will make him that much better. I hope these two are stapled together for the next season...forums.hfboards.com
Confirmed with Link: - Kirby Dach to Montreal for 13th and 66th overall picks
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That's a fair-ish example, although "entire season" is incorrect. In the last 35 games, he had 6 goals and 24 points. I wouldn't call that ass. However, in the first 19 games he had 3 points averaging 2 minutes less/game than Dach is this season.
Not that "19 games" should be the magical number, but this can't continue for the entire season with Dach.
Andrei Svechnikov tore his ACL causing him to miss 33 games+playoffs but was still excellent in his next season. Now if the argument is that missing 80 games is far more impactful than the amount Svechnikov lost, you also have to consider how it took Svech closer to the start of next season to be able to train properly.
Hertl also had an excellent following season when he missed half a season with the same injury as Dach.
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Agree with you on this , Dach had 20 games to get his shape back. You can't just wait an entire season for a guy to get his marks again.
He's barely physical. His passing plays or on ice decision are way off . Not everything is around his injury. Just his game sense seems completely off this season
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I don't know what is going on with Dach at the moment. If he is subconsciously nervous about getting into physical battles because of the injuries he had over the years. That he isn't reading the play properly if he needs more reps or that he has lost confidence. I would try something different by taking him off the 1st powerplay unit and put him at center with Gallagher and Anderson. Dvorak has seemed to play better between them and I wonder if putting Dach between will help him. They play more a straight forward game and it will allow him just to play a simple game.
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He has been awful, there is no way around that fact but he has missed an enormous amount of time and is coming back from a very serious knee injury that commonly takes more than a full calendar year and perhaps closer to two years to feel back to normal following post operative rehabilitation, if it ever even gets there. Combine that with a team in turmoil where confidence is not being fostered and pressure is mounting and it shouldn't be a great surprise that he has struggled.
I don't think Kirby is a naturally cerebral person and is very dependant on repetition to nurture his pattern recognition abilities whereas more cerebral players will adjust faster due to a more pronounced understanding of the game and a processor that relies less on algorithm than it does on cognitive problem solving. This is not to suggest that he can not play a cerebral game but to suggest that the mechanisms that support his cerebral game are different than the mechanisms that run the internal processes of the Suzuki's and Hutson's of the world.
Unfortunately I think team success will need to pull Kirby into shape rather than him leading the team to that success. Once he gets there (if he does) he may very well carry the team for stretches but I suspect that it still a ways away if it is going to happen. We should just view this as a process in his rehabilitation and view this season as another development season and more high picks and tap into the patience that we exhibited prior to this season.
If at the end of next season he has not progressed much then we will have our answer and HuGo will need to deal with it accordingly.
We need to stop with the hyperbolic rants and nihilistic narratives as they only serve to delude and divide the conversation which creates space for the type of nonsense that we see running rampid to the south of us.
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