Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

[Vachon23]

Yeah let's pump out the breaks a little. 60 ish points would be very reassuring

A 82 games would be very reassuring

 

[MtlSars]

This is going to be one of the main storylines of next season. That and Lane Hutson coming in the core group as well.

With Dach and Dvorak gone for most of the season, we had to rely on Newhook to be our 2nd line center and considering he almost missed 27 games he did admirably with wingers like Gallagher and Armia.. but it's not where he's supposed to be slotted in the lineup.

Newhook - Dach on the 2nd line will undoubtedly shine next year compared to what we had last year.

 

[Chili]

Interesting, that's EXACTLY how I feel about Guhle. If someone, somewhere hits another player on the ice, it's a safe bet Guhle's on the receiving end. And in a bad position (in the numbers, usually).

It`s mandatory for dmen to learn how to protect themselves when they go back for the puck, they`re a target every shift. Looking around the league, it seems rare for any dman to play 82 games, they take a lot of punishment. Depth is a good thing and it`s important in my opinion to have a few veteran dmen to mentor the young ones.

Edit: Looked it up, 33 dmen played every game in the NHL in 2023-24 or 1 per team average including Mike Matheson with the Habs. 75 forwards as well including Slafkovsky, Caufield, Suzuki and Evans.

 

[rickthegoon]

Loin des yeux, loin du coeur.

Am I wrong to remember the narrative being that Dach was the future #1 Center in front of Suzuki during the pre-season? I feel like it was the majority opinion.

Well, he was dominant in the pre season and in the 4 periods he played when the season started

 

[Rapala]

Well, he was dominant in the pre season and in the 4 periods he played when the season started

True and Suzuki wasn't even warmed up at that point.
Here's the deal there will always be a better match-up for one of the two top lines.
It varies from opponent to opponent and is usually more dependent on how good the top two D pairings are.
If Dach's line had continued to be a problem for the opposition Suzuki's line would have benefited with the easier match-ups.

Notable is once Suzuki asked for Slaf everything changed. Suddenly it didn't matter who we were up against.
That bodes well for this year and as good as Dach may become he has a heck of a lot of catching up to do to displace Suzuki.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

If he plays, probably beat case Ontario he just replaces the production Monahan had before he was dealt, so there's no improvement for the team.

 

[Redux91]

If he plays, probably beat case Ontario he just replaces the production Monahan had before he was dealt, so there's no improvement for the team.

Wonder how many other cases in Ontario he's gotta beat before he gets cleared to play eh :/

 

[Walksss]

If he plays, probably beat case Ontario he just replaces the production Monahan had before he was dealt, so there's no improvement for the team.

I don't think thats the best case for Dach, I think his best case is significantly higher production than Monahan. I'd say Monahan level production is the most likely though, but I bet he's chomping at the bit to join this group and prove he's gonna be a key piece of it.

 

[Mudz]

Well, he was dominant in the pre season and in the 4 periods he played when the season started

Yeah him and Slaf were really dominant together, with the help of Newhook. That been said, Suzuki still ended as a ppg in preason, so let's not diminish his potential. The narrative of Dach been the future number one center is just pointless anyway. Let's just be happy we have top6 that can be centers on a championship team.

Anyway, it will all start again when he'll finish the season with something like 20 goals and 58 assists in 72 games next season.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Is Dach a RFA or UFA after his current deal expires? I thought he had one more year of RFA left but then on Spotrac, it shows him as UFA for 26/27?

What is the rule? 7 years of RFA service or age 27? Whichever comes first?

 

[KevSkillz4]

Is Dach a RFA or UFA after his current deal expires? I thought he had one more year of RFA left but then on Spotrac, it shows him as UFA for 26/27?

What is the rule? 7 years of RFA service or age 27? Whichever comes first?

RFA

 

[Habs Halifax]

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That was my understanding as well. When Dach's contract was signed.

 

[Captain97]

Is Dach a RFA or UFA after his current deal expires? I thought he had one more year of RFA left but then on Spotrac, it shows him as UFA for 26/27?

What is the rule? 7 years of RFA service or age 27? Whichever comes first?

He is RFA, there was confusion because of the 7 years rule the year he played 18 games did not count as a year accrued. I believe it was because the injury was not NHL related it was from international play at WJC.

 

[Saundies]

Let's hope Kirby Dach comeback season is glorious. The amount of online trash I've seen since we've gotten Laine about "who's he gonna play with?" "Dach is a lower-tier 2nd line C" "Are the Habs going to get a 2nd line C now?"

Song of the summer: Forgot about Dach (Explicit Version) - Eminem.

 

[KevSkillz4]

Let's hope Kirby Dach comeback season is glorious. The amount of online trash I've seen since we've gotten Laine about "who's he gonna play with?" "Dach is a lower-tier 2nd line C" "Are the Habs going to get a 2nd line C now?"

Song of the summer: Forgot about Dach (Explicit Version) - Eminem.

Dach and Laine need just to be healthy. They will dominate together.

 

[cphabs]

Dach and Laine need just to be healthy. They will dominate together.

They will probably be friends too. Just my speculation.

 

[Guess]

They will probably be friends too. Just my speculation.

They're both funny guys.

 

[SlafySZN]

Just a little throw back

 

[SlafySZN]

They're both funny guys.

 

[Andy]

Can't wait to have Dach back.

I do think we have to manage our expectations point wise.

There is only one puck, and it's very rare to have a top 6 where all players are producing 60+ points. Laine, Caufield, Slaf, Dach, Suzuki....it's very unlikely all 5 will be producing at their max potential at the same time, especially since they can't all fit on the PP.

Dach hovering around 50-55 points is a reasonable expectation if he plays 82 games.

Even the following point distribution would be pretty exceptional

Suzuki 75 points
Caufield 70points
Slafkovsky 65 points
Laine 60 points
Dach 55 points

 

[WeThreeKings]

Can't wait to have Dach back.

I do think we have to manage our expectations point wise.

There is only one puck, and it's very rare to have a top 6 where all players are producing 60+ points. Laine, Caufield, Slaf, Dach, Suzuki....it's very unlikely all 5 will be producing at their max potential at the same time, especially since they can't all fit on the PP.

Dach hovering around 50-55 points is a reasonable expectation if he plays 82 games.

Even the following point distribution would be pretty exceptional

Suzuki 75 points
Caufield 70points
Slafkovsky 65 points
Laine 60 points
Dach 55 points

Been hoping for some updates on Dach's summer development post injury but it's been pretty quiet.

Dach will eventually be on PP2 so most of his production will be 5-on-5; so if he doesn't overtake Suzuki as 1C then he's probably gonna be a 50-70 point guy.

 

[26Mats]

Been hoping for some updates on Dach's summer development post injury but it's been pretty quiet.

Dach will eventually be on PP2 so most of his production will be 5-on-5; so if he doesn't overtake Suzuki as 1C then he's probably gonna be a 50-70 point guy.

Dach will probably start this year on pp2. But already next year when Demidov is here, both pop's should be good ones.

Suzuki
Laine/Caufield Demidov Slaf
Hutson

Roy
Caufield/Laine Newhook Dach
Matheson

 

[WeThreeKings]

Dach will probably start this year on pp2. But already next year when Demidov is here, both pop's should be good ones.

Suzuki
Laine/Caufield Demidov Slaf
Hutson

Roy
Caufield/Laine Newhook Dach
Matheson

They can both be good PPs, but unit 1 always takes 90ish seconds so just by lack of PP TOI it is hard to produce as much on it.

 

[morhilane]

They can both be good PPs, but unit 1 always takes 90ish seconds so just by lack of PP TOI it is hard to produce as much on it.

They just have to go back to alternating which wave start the PP. if you have two good ones, no reasons not to.

 

[26Mats]

They can both be good PPs, but unit 1 always takes 90ish seconds so just by lack of PP TOI it is hard to produce as much on it.

With that personnel, I could see them going closer to an alteration system.