Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

[Ozmodiar]

Hence leave him there and let him simmer. Throw him in the pool and see if he can swim. We need to know if he's cut out to be a 2nd line C or not. I don't care if he's good or not.

They tried that and abandoned it.. for now.

If they get a good sample of him on the wing - and he’s successful - they’ll have something to compare to his future work at center. They can say “the knee is fine, line-mates fine”, the major difference is the position.

If he’s center right now and not having success - folks will have a different opinion of the cause. The knee? Linemates? Position? Look no further than this thread.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I'm tired of the discourse that he's not a center and better on the wing. It's not true and it's never been true.

Of course he looks better playing wing with Caufield and Suzuki.

When he's in the middle he has a struggling Newhook, a Slaf who is up and down and isn't capable of driving a line just yet, and Armia who is abject trash.

You're asking him to find his game but also elevate wingers. That's an unfair ask. Give him Caufield while he's at center and give him some f***ing help.

All his best plays on the top line as a winger comes through the middle of the ice anyway.

One thing they could try: Dach with Slaf and CC. Give Nick Newhook and Roy.

Maybe they could get everyone going.

 

[WeThreeKings]

One thing they could try: Dach with Slaf and CC. Give Nick Newhook and Roy.

Maybe they could get everyone going.

I've said for a long time that the duo should be Slaf Suzuki and Caufield Dach but no one in the organization seems to realize that Caufield and Suzuki don't have a special chemistry. They're just two good players playing together.

 

[Mrb1p]

One thing they could try: Dach with Slaf and CC. Give Nick Newhook and Roy.

Maybe they could get everyone going.

Roy-Suzuki-Slaf
Caufield-Dach-Evans
Heineman-Newhook-Anderson
Pezz/Condotta-Dvorak-Gallager

Its time we split Cole and Nick.

 

[Tyson]

I know I will get scorched for this but I am not sure Dach will ever regain his potential after that injury.

 

[junyab]

Cole's leading the league in goals (tied) so moving him anywhere doesn't make sense to me.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I know I will get scorched for this but I am not sure Dach will ever regain his potential after that injury.

Hes had way more Flashes of being who he was last year recently. He's drawn a lot of penalties and created more chances with his reach and hands. It's coming.

Itd be more concerning if the whole team was looking good and it was him struggling. Hes gotta come back from a massive injury and missed time and theres very few players helping out there.

Cole's leading the league in goals (tied) so moving him anywhere doesn't make sense to me.

None of it is a result of this special chemistry between him and Nick. His oppo winger has been different all the time.

 

[habdynasty]

One of the better players on the ice last game.

 

[Kosseca]

I've said for a long time that the duo should be Slaf Suzuki and Caufield Dach but no one in the organization seems to realize that Caufield and Suzuki don't have a special chemistry. They're just two good players playing together.

Fully agree with this. In fact, against CAL, Dach and CC where connecting more then with Suzuki. These duo also balance the size of player, making it easier on certain matchups. Finally, Slaf and Dach play a similar game along the boards, they can pin the D deep together, but can't finish because they're all behind the goal line.

When Laine is back, you go

Laine - Suzuki - Slaf
CC - Dach - Roy

I know I will get scorched for this but I am not sure Dach will ever regain his potential after that injury.

There are so many players that got similar injury and they took many months before they got back into it.

Dach's performance is the least concerning to me right now.

 

[Kosseca]

Cole's leading the league in goals (tied) so moving him anywhere doesn't make sense to me.

Team isn't winning despite his performance... trying new things isn't a bad thing.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Roy-Suzuki-Slaf
Caufield-Dach-Evans
Heineman-Newhook-Anderson
Pezz/Condotta-Dvorak-Gallager

Its time we split Cole and Nick.

I'm not sure why we'd put Evans on the wing. He's a super reliable center. If anything I'd move him to 3rd line center. Keep Newhook on the wing.

I'd also have Slaf and CC with Dach. Get Dach going. Suzuki is our captain and should be able to carry a line of Newhook and Roy.

I know I will get scorched for this but I am not sure Dach will ever regain his potential after that injury.

It's possible but he's shown flashes of what he can do.

Honestly the whole team's in a funk right now. Maybe they have to change the system or add a vet on D. Or... maybe they just snap out of it. I think this team is better than it's shown.

Cole's leading the league in goals (tied) so moving him anywhere doesn't make sense to me.

The team sucks though. Even the first line doesn't have very good numbers right now. Give Dach the team's best two wingers for a bit. See if he responds.

 

[Mrb1p]

I'm not sure why we'd put Evans on the wing. He's a super reliable center. If anything I'd move him to 3rd line center. Keep Newhook on the wing.

I'd also have Slaf and CC with Dach. Get Dach going. Suzuki is our captain and should be able to carry a line of Newhook and Roy.


It's possible but he's shown flashes of what he can do.

Honestly the whole team's in a funk right now. Maybe they have to change the system or add a vet on D. Or... maybe they just snap out of it. I think this team is better than it's shown.


The team sucks though. Even the first line doesn't have very good numbers right now. Give Dach the team's best two wingers for a bit. See if he responds.

Of course you'd have Suzuki with the absolute trash

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Of course you'd have Suzuki with the absolute trash

If Suzuki is the superstar you say he is, he should be able to carry a line. That's his job.

And btw, he's done amazing things with CC. He did really well with Slaf. He should be able to bring along players like Roy. He also already showed he can play with Newhook. Neither of them are trashy players.

And it's not a longterm thing either. It's not like I'd suggest we set this in stone. Try it. See if it works. Dach's struggling so give him our best wingers. If that doesn't work then it's a different conversation. I think Suzuki's good enough to carry a line. Roy has enough talent that Suzuki should be able to help him unlock it. Ditto with Newhook.

We have zero to lose. Nick and CC's numbers aren't good this year. The only thing we've had going for us analytically is Hutson. CC is putting up goals but at a rate of 30 percent shooting, that won't continue.

 

[The Great Weal]

I've said for a long time that the duo should be Slaf Suzuki and Caufield Dach but no one in the organization seems to realize that Caufield and Suzuki don't have a special chemistry. They're just two good players playing together.

I think they do have chemistry, but I don't disagree that they should try splitting them up during certain periods. CC's rocking a 30% shooting percentage and Suzuki is always looking for him instead of driving the play which we know he can do.

The way Newhook is playing should have him off the top 6, he's been horrific. It's why I'd like to see Roy have a shot.

 

[Rapala]

I've said for a long time that the duo should be Slaf Suzuki and Caufield Dach but no one in the organization seems to realize that Caufield and Suzuki don't have a special chemistry. They're just two good players playing together.

I was for splitting them before the season started but then the Laine trade changed things somewhat.
Once Laine went down I would have jumped all over that move.

 

[zzoo]

What do Galchenyuk, Drouin, Kotkaniemi and Dach have in common ?

- They are all drafted 3rd overall
- They all play or tried at C
- Habs fan had huge expectation on them
- They all wear an odd number jersey
- They aren't as good as people thought

 

[Redux91]

I know I will get scorched for this but I am not sure Dach will ever regain his potential after that injury.

The knee and his skating are fine tho lol

This is all in his head right now, struggling with 'I'm finally an NHL top6 player' and 'trying to do too much'

- They are all drafted 3rd overall
- They all play or tried at C
- Habs fan had huge expectation on them
- They all wear an odd number jersey
- They aren't as good as people thought

I'd like to point out 2 other different teams drafted Drouin and Dach at 3rd OV tho.

 

[overlords]

Of course you'd have Suzuki with the absolute trash

Hey, Koivu had to do it.

The knee and his skating are fine tho lol

This is all in his head right now, struggling with 'I'm finally an NHL top6 player' and 'trying to do too much'

Kirby did let himself get fat, though. Running theme on this team.

 

[Mrb1p]

Hey, Koivu had to do it.



Kirby did let himself get fat, though. Running theme on this team.

That last selfie Kirby took is... erhm.

 

[Habby4Life]

Dach isn't the answer for 2c.
Absolute trash at faceoffs and doesn't look like he can carry a line.
They have to find a 2c and move Dach to the wing. If this team continues to play as it has they will be a couple C options at the draft.

 

[HuGort]

Top 6 center hard to find. Imagine they give Dach tons of chances. But he has a long ways to go

 

[expy]

This guy is just bad.

He's had a flash once in a blue moon, but nothing that indicates he's going to be a servicable top 6 player. Just absolutely lazyness 99% of the time.

 

[MasterD]

I know I will get scorched for this but I am not sure Dach will ever regain his potential after that injury.

It's not a given, no. It's also way to early to tell.

Caufield last year in the first half was nothing like the Caufield we knew before, and know now.

 

[Monsieur Miz]

I feel like he's going to be overrated all his career like Anderson was. He's going to be 27 and people will still be like ''this is it, this is his year!''

Nah man, it'll never be. He just doesn't have it.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Both him and Slaf are suffering from not moving their feet so reach with stick-itis

Which is to say both don't have confidence in their games.