Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

[SlafySZN]

To add on to this though, I believe (and correct me if I'm wrong) that Dach is the first player that made this line have positive underlying numbers.

100%

He’s good defensively and his strength is in transition so he helps them with that too.

Anderson, Hoffman, Pitlick, ect… name everyone MSL played with them doesn’t have this kind of talent. It was probably a little better than 37% with Monahan but not close to what Dach brings to that line.

 

[26Mats]

They are playing the same grinding game too so they are both on the same page

One thing that frustrates me about Anderson is that he's built to have a grinding dimension, yet he can't cycle the puck or protect it along the wall...

 

[Captain Mountain]

Wanted to say this as well.

To add on to this though, I believe (and correct me if I'm wrong) that Dach is the first player that made this line have positive underlying numbers.

He's not. The other combination that had positive underlying is Caufield, Suzuki and ... Mike Hoffman.

Granted, they played less than 12 minutes together whereas Dach at this point has spent more time there than anyone else.

Its all a small sample size right now, but Caufield-Suzuki-Dach is working really well.

 

[Mrb1p]

That we have PPG players after 10 games ? 2018 with Drouin-Domi

Freakin buzzkill

 

[morhilane]

Granted, they played less than 12 minutes together whereas Dach at this point has spent more time there than anyone else.

Its all a small sample size right now, but Caufield-Suzuki-Dach is working really well.

Monahan played about ~12 minutes more with them (4 games?) and that version underlying numbers were very good offensively and much better defensively than the previous "trials", but Dach makes the line even better defensively without reducing the offensive output it seems.

 

[AHShadow]

He's not. The other combination that had positive underlying is Caufield, Suzuki and ... Mike Hoffman.

Granted, they played less than 12 minutes together whereas Dach at this point has spent more time there than anyone else.

Its all a small sample size right now, but Caufield-Suzuki-Dach is working really well.

Oh true I did forget that Hoffman actually had positive numbers haha. Thanks for the correction!

But yeah, obviously it didn't work as well as Dach. I think it's good that he's getting the opportunity to play with good players, but wonder how they plan to eventually transition him to C?

Maybe play him on the W for now until trade deadline when we make more space up-front?

 

[salbutera]

Let me know when Caufield gets good at getting the puck out of his zone.

Caufield is a defensive liability, that was always the case. Maybe he improves over time, maybe he doesn’t - he’s a goal scoring specialist that’s who he is, take it or leave it

Dach has always excelled at zone entries.

 

[SlafySZN]

Caufield is a defensive liability, that was always the case. Maybe he improves over time, maybe he doesn’t - he’s a goal scoring specialist that’s who he is, take it or leave it

Dach has always excelled at zone entries.

No he is not. He’s way better in that aspect already this season.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Caufield is a defensive liability, that was always the case. Maybe he improves over time, maybe he doesn’t - he’s a goal scoring specialist that’s who he is, take it or leave it

Dach has always excelled at zone entries.

There’s a difference between being a liability defensively and defense not being a strength. It’s not his strength, but he’s definitely not a liability at all.
You either exaggerated to make a point or don’t understand the difference.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

Right now with his 3 assists so far tonight he’s up to 10 points in 12 games, that’s a 68 points per 82 games pace!

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

No he is not. He’s way better in that aspect already this season.

On top of having a far bigger impact on the offense than being a simple goal scoring specialist.

 

[The Great Weal]

He's not driving a line but he doesn't need to, giving high end passes consistently is good enough to score at least 50 points playing with CC and Suzuki. Hope he doesn't think about going back to center soon because he looks much better on the wing.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

He's not driving a line but he doesn't need to, giving high end passes consistently is good enough to score at least 50 points playing with CC and Suzuki. Hope he doesn't think about going back to center soon because he looks much better on the wing.

He looks the same as he did at center. The only difference is he's playing with better players and ones that can score goals.

 

[The Great Weal]

He looks the same as he did at center. The only difference is he's playing with better players and ones that can score goals.

I disagree. Better linemates help for sure but his game looks better on the wing. He's more involved.

 

[cave troll]

Dach(21)-Suzuki (23)-Caufield(21)
The future looks bright for us !

After so many years finally a really good 1st line.

 

[Blame the referee]

Dach(21)-Suzuki (23)-Caufield(21)
The future looks bright for us !

After so many years finally a really good 1st line.

Did we find our first line for the next 10 years? I hope! Sexy line

 

[Belial]

He's not driving a line but he doesn't need to, giving high end passes consistently is good enough to score at least 50 points playing with CC and Suzuki. Hope he doesn't think about going back to center soon because he looks much better on the wing.

His skill set has center written all over him.

He'll get back to center eventually IMO.

 

[AHShadow]

He looks the same as he did at center. The only difference is he's playing with better players and ones that can score goals.

Sadly pretty much the only ones that can score goals on our team lol.

 

[Whitesnake]

His skill set has center written all over him.

He'll get back to center eventually IMO.

There is no top end centerman that has a faceoff success below 40%. His skillset WILL have to get that number up if he ever wants to see that position again.

 

[Belial]

There is no top end centerman that has a faceoff success below 40%. His skillset WILL have to get that number up if he ever wants to see that position again.

Malkin was trash in the dot for years and he managed to have a decent career at center.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

If we draft Bedard/Fantili/Carlsson or acquire Dubois, then it would be fine to leave Dach on the wing long term

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Not the worst thing for him to piling points on the top line even if he’s on the wing. He might end up being one of those guys who bounce between top line winger and 2nd line center.

 

[JoelWarlord]

His hands are just so damn smooth

 

[Whitesnake]

Malkin was trash in the dot for years and he managed to have a decent career at center.

His average is 44. And it's Malkin. A Hall of Famer. Clearly you are not comparing both.

 

[Belial]

His average is 44. And it's Malkin. A Hall of Famer. Clearly you are not comparing both.

I was just trying to tell you that underwhelming FO numbers shouldn't be the final decision in a guy's career.

Dach will get better with time at faceoffs...