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Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

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It could take Dach a while to get up to speed and in gear to be productive and effective. Overall, his play hasn't been particularly inspiring. If we can't get a 2nd line going after 20 games, we're almost certainly looking at a year in the tank.
 
WeThreeKings said:
I'm not there yet, I'm fine with giving him the development runway with our prospects before it's time to flip the focus. I have 0 interest in any qualified francophone coach, they'll all bring the Therrien puck in.



It's something that almost exclusively requires experience and repetitions. He hasn't had a long runway of consistently taking draws, night after night, to improve. It will get better, he may never be a plus 50% guy but if he can hover in the high 40s, it's negligible.
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Long term future Kirby I would put at wing. He played his best hockey couple years back with Suzuki and Caufield. Canadiens going to be deep at center
 
HuGort said:
Long term future Kirby I would put at wing. He played his best hockey couple years back with Suzuki and Caufield. Canadiens going to be deep at center
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Nah, his best stretch was when he went off that line and centered his own line.

He is completely rusty and playing on a line with 0 chemistry; drawing conclusions while the whole team looks like shit on individual players, especially Dach, is folly.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
Nah, his best stretch was when he went off that line and centered his own line.

He is completely rusty and playing on a line with 0 chemistry; drawing conclusions while the whole team looks like shit on individual players, especially Dach, is folly.
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To be fair, he looked good playing RW as well.
 
He will be fine. He just needs time and keep staying healthy. Timing and confidence will be back. And it's not like we have better options at center for the 2nd line. Maybe make Newhook takes reps and faceoffs but other than that...
 
WeThreeKings said:
Nah, his best stretch was when he went off that line and centered his own line.

He is completely rusty and playing on a line with 0 chemistry; drawing conclusions while the whole team looks like shit on individual players, especially Dach, is folly.
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I don’t think a professional hockey player should struggle at making 10 foot passes, period.. Guy looks slurry, slow and disinterested.

Move him on Suzuki’s wing, his emotions won’t take the hit of a demotion and he’ll free the 2nd line for a real center.

Also if the guy’s prime learning years were compromised c’est la vie, can’t force it.
 
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Benstheman said:
He will be fine. He just needs time and keep staying healthy. Timing and confidence will be back. And it's not like we have better options at center for the 2nd line. Maybe make Newhook takes reps and faceoffs but other than that...
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I wouldn't count Kapanen out of the equation to be 2C later on in the season. I don't think Dach has an entire season to figure it out, but he still has a good chunk of time.

With Dach, this is just a gut feeling, but I don't think he will be happy on the wing. If he ends up not being our long-term solution at C, I think he should be traded. I think he will figure it out at C, though, but there is a good chance he doesn't or someone overtakes him (Kap/Hage).
 
Goalfield13 said:
I wouldn't count Kapanen out of the equation to be 2C later on in the season. I don't think Dach has an entire season to figure it out, but he still has a good chunk of time.

With Dach, this is just a gut feeling, but I don't think he will be happy on the wing. If he ends up not being our long-term solution at C, I think he should be traded. I think he will figure it out at C, though, but there is a good chance he doesn't or someone overtakes him (Kap/Hage).
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Yeah i guess it's not completely out of the question Kapanen is getting tryouts at 2C if Dach keeps struggling for a bunch of time but i don't think he has what it take to produce that kind of offense to be honest.
 
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Benstheman said:
Yeah i guess it's not completely out of the question Kapanen is getting tryouts at 2C if Dach keeps struggling for a bunch of time but i don't think he has what it take to produce that kind of offense to be honest.
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I have never really been impressed with Dach's offensive game, really.
 
MonkeyBusiness said:
Eller always had tunnel-vision, and wasn’t really suited for top-6 duties. Your comparison makes no sense at all.
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Not true, Eller had a decent assists to points ratio prior to the Habs' and after the Habs. His so-called tunnel vision on the Habs was in fact an adaptation to playing with guys who couldn't shoot the puck, like Rene Bourque.

Goalfield13 said:
I wouldn't count Kapanen out of the equation to be 2C later on in the season. I don't think Dach has an entire season to figure it out, but he still has a good chunk of time.
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Honestly I think Dach may be given most of the season to figure things out if he needs it, he's a major piece of the team's future.
 
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DAChampion said:
…he's a major piece of the team's future.
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He is who he is… Which is not much right now. I feel we've been projecting the whole team’s youth as something more than it really is. I would not get attached to anyone at this point or pencil anyone in as a piece of the future. Potential means nothing on the ice unfortunately, and injuries have this guy trending down fast.
 
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MonkeyBusiness said:
Assist to point ratio is also a horrible statistic to make your point. Most players in the NHL have more assists than goals. It’s a corollary of the league giving secondary assists.
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Please don't be disingenuous, I obviously meant within context.

Eller had a more standard assist rate both prior to and after the Habs. His vision was much better than Habs fan made it out to be because they somehow failed to see what was going on the ice -- Eller was hogging the puck because he had no one to pass to.
 
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Y'all are really trying to get me going with the Larry talk in the Kirby thread , I'll contain myself for now..


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poor bastard must look at his line and wonder how this can possibly work out.
 
OldCraig71 said:
How can he be worse than Dach centering that line?
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Suzuki's looked about as bad and doesn't have the excuse that he spent the last calendar year rehabbing a shattered knee. Not sure what games people are watching out there, but our #1 guy is being floated by a 5'9 super midget shooting 30% and Dach is the guy taking all the heat, somehow.
 
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overlords said:
Suzuki's looked about as bad and doesn't have the excuse that he spent the last calendar year rehabbing a shattered knee. Not sure what games people are watching out there, but our #1 guy is being floated by a 5'9 super midget shooting 30% but Dach is the guy taking all the heat, somehow.
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Funny how that goes.

The issue with the Dach line is yes, he's predictably rusty.. but Newhook is all gas no brakes, Armia is all brakes no go and isn't a top 6 player.

Either put Heineman on the other wing with Newhook and let the speed of those two guys push defense back so Dach can feed their shots, or put Kapanen in Newhooks spot and have a more slow down, cerebral cycle game where things are generated off the wall.
 
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