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Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

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MtlSars said:
Dach in the bumper, I recall him deflecting nice goals in last year...
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Absolutely not, we need Dach on the half boards to control and QB the PP in a similar fashion to Kucherov. He is by a long shot our best puck protector/distributor and it would be a grave mistake to limit those abilities as a bumper. Tall players just take up way too much space in the bumper which makes their stick less dangerous as it is too close to the PKers.

Slaf is absolutely the net front/low post guy who can win races to the corner and win battles in the corner in order to get the puck back to Dach.

for me the future appears to be

Low post/net front = Slafkovsky
Bumper = Suzuki
Left wall = Caufield
Right wall = Dach
Point = Hutson

Dach and Slaf can easily cycle and switch with board passes and short give and goes while Suzuki has the one timer from Dach and is also on his forehand to pass to Caufield. Dach has one time options to both Caufield and Suzuki much like Kucherov has with Stamkos and Point as well as low jam plays and chained one touch passes to Suzuki in the bumper or a weak side Caufield tap in from Slaf. If Hutson works out he should have all sorts of space at the top to create as there will be so many high danger threats from the hash marks in.

It is not difficult to build a plausible case for a future elite PP with our current players/prospects and this is without counting Roy or Mailloux who may be PP studs as well.
 
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Estimated_Prophet said:
Absolutely not, we need Dach on the half boards to control and QB the PP in a similar fashion to Kucherov. He is by a long shot our best puck protector/distributor and it would be a grave mistake to limit those abilities as a bumper. Tall players just take up way too much space in the bumper which makes their stick less dangerous as it is too close to the PKers.

Slaf is absolutely the net front/low post guy who can win races to the corner and win battles in the corner in order to get the puck back to Dach.

for me the future appears to be

Low post/net front = Slafkovsky
Bumper = Suzuki
Left wall = Caufield
Right wall = Dach
Point = Hutson

Dach and Slaf can easily cycle and switch with board passes and short give and goes while Suzuki has the one timer from Dach and is also on his forehand to pass to Caufield. Dach has one time options to both Caufield and Suzuki much like Kucherov has with Stamkos and Point as well as low jam plays and chained one touch passes to Suzuki in the bumper or a weak side Caufield tap in from Slaf. If Hutson works out he should have all sorts of space at the top to create as there will be so many high danger threats from the hash marks in.

It is not difficult to build a plausible case for a future elite PP with our current players/prospects and this is without counting Roy or Mailloux who may be PP studs as well.
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Dach is going to have to be ready to shoot, and shoot quickly, if he's going to play effectively anywhere but the front of the net.
 
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26Mats said:
Dach is going to have to be ready to shoot, and shoot quickly, if he's going to play effectively anywhere but the front of the net.
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He can shoot and will shoot but it will not be his primary task. He will be the player who settles the play down and quarterbacks the PP from the half wall. His role is probably closer to Thornton, and Getzlaf in this sense than it is to Kucherov. Both Thornton and Getzlaf controlled the play from the half wall and were rarely the shooter and they are HOFers. They used their size, puck skill and vision to control the PP and I see Dach being used in a similar manner, of course he is unlikely to be as good as either of these two but the template is certainly there.
 
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He can shoot and will shoot but it will not be his primary task. He will be the player who settles the play down and quarterbacks the PP from the half wall. His role is probably closer to Thornton, and Getzlaf in this sense than it is to Kucherov. Both Thornton and Getzlaf controlled the play from the half wall and were rarely the shooter and they are HOFers. They used their size, puck skill and vision to control the PP and I see Dach being used in a similar manner, of course he is unlikely to be as good as either of these two but the template is certainly there.
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I don't doubt he has the tools to learn. I've just found in frustrating watching him on the PP some times where he shows no threat whatsoever to shoot it, and the defense sets up accordingly, taking away other options.
 
26Mats said:
I don't doubt he has the tools to learn. I've just found in frustrating watching him on the PP some times where he shows no threat whatsoever to shoot it, and the defense sets up accordingly, taking away other options.
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He turned it on near the end of last season and was clearly flashing the potential as an elite half wall QB in his 4 periods this year and as well during preseason. Suzuki coughs the puck up too often on the wall and Caufield is too small to protect the puck consistently, Slafkovsky is still very raw and his one timer has been quite poor this season although I do expect that to improve. The most important player on any PP is the player who can control the puck and the opposition can not take it from him and for this team that is Kirby Dach. Using him in the bumper or in front of the net is a criminal waste of talent imo. You have to remember that good PP's are not static and he may very well switch off with Slaf during the play. There is no doubt however that Dach has better vision and playmaking tools than Slaf and that is exactly what this PP needs. Suzuki is a custom made bumper with his compact frame and quick release/high IQ so there is no way I want Dach and his huge reach stuck in a tight bumper position where his reach is nullified when he can instead use it to control play on the outside and find passing lanes in all directions. Slaf is a puck retrieval/protection monster and the low man in the 1-3-1 is incredibly important in those aspects. We all know what Caufield is capable of from the left side so no further explanation is required there.

All of these players exhibit the potential to be elite in their specific roles and if one or both of Hutson or Mailloux really pop then this unit has the potential to be a juggernaut. Contrary to popular opinion you do not need an elite superstar to build a great power play, you simply need to arrange specific elite talents/traits in the proper configuration. This is why I do not subscribe to the narrative that states the need for superstars/generational talents being necessary to provide enough offence to win Stanley Cups.
 
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I noticed that Dach is an RFA at the end of his contract (according to capfriendly) in 2026.
However he will have accrued 7 seasons (Chi x3 & MTL x4) of experience so technically should be a UFA.
Does being out for all of the 2023-24 season (except 2 games) technically not count as an accrued season?
Are we getting lucky (of the course injury sucks) that he'll be cost controlled as a RFA as opposed to being an UFA?
Am I understanding the situation correctly?
 
Steve Shutt said:
I noticed that Dach is an RFA at the end of his contract (according to capfriendly) in 2026.
However he will have accrued 7 seasons (Chi x3 & MTL x4) of experience so technically should be a UFA.
Does being out for all of the 2023-24 season (except 2 games) technically not count as an accrued season?
Are we getting lucky (of the course injury sucks) that he'll be cost controlled as a RFA as opposed to being an UFA?
Am I understanding the situation correctly?
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He will be a RFA after his contract.
 
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Did some research. Found this on reddit:

FWIW, Engles just tweeted that the NHL only credits Dach with 2 NHL seasons accrued in the NHL at the moment. Either his second season was too short to count, or it’s not updated. If he does only have 2 seasons, and players need 7 seasons under their belt to become UFAs, this would make him a RFA at the end of this deal.

Edit: He confirmed that the books are updated. Dach’s second season doesn’t count because the injury was sustained outside the NHL. He will be a RFA.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
I miss him so much
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I sometimes forget we have him. With Slaf's emergence, and hopefully a healthy Dach, our forward situation just seems really promising.

Having both those guys in our top 6 is a luxury we haven't had since I've been watching really. Really big and really skilled forwards.

We'll be fun to watch at the very least.
 
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dackelljuneaubulis02 said:
I sometimes forget we have him. With Slaf's emergence, and hopefully a healthy Dach, our forward situation just seems really promising.

Having both those guys in our top 6 is a luxury we haven't had since I've been watching really. Really big and really skilled forwards.

We'll be fun to watch at the very least.
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The luxury of forgeting a 6'4 unicorn forme 3rd OA top 6 C.
 
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Mrb1p said:
The luxury of forgeting a 6'4 unicorn forme 3rd OA top 6 C.
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For the first time we have what looks like not just a real 1st line but possibly an elite one with all 3 players having real PPG potential

...And we have Dach...and Newhook...and Roy. Christ that 2nd line has the potential to not be that far off the 1st.

Seems like we've paid the karmic debt to the hockey gods for too many dynasties and after 30 plus years we can finally have skilled forwards.
 
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Estimated_Prophet said:
Absolutely not, we need Dach on the half boards to control and QB the PP in a similar fashion to Kucherov. He is by a long shot our best puck protector/distributor and it would be a grave mistake to limit those abilities as a bumper. Tall players just take up way too much space in the bumper which makes their stick less dangerous as it is too close to the PKers.

Slaf is absolutely the net front/low post guy who can win races to the corner and win battles in the corner in order to get the puck back to Dach.

for me the future appears to be

Low post/net front = Slafkovsky
Bumper = Suzuki
Left wall = Caufield
Right wall = Dach
Point = Hutson

Dach and Slaf can easily cycle and switch with board passes and short give and goes while Suzuki has the one timer from Dach and is also on his forehand to pass to Caufield. Dach has one time options to both Caufield and Suzuki much like Kucherov has with Stamkos and Point as well as low jam plays and chained one touch passes to Suzuki in the bumper or a weak side Caufield tap in from Slaf. If Hutson works out he should have all sorts of space at the top to create as there will be so many high danger threats from the hash marks in.

It is not difficult to build a plausible case for a future elite PP with our current players/prospects and this is without counting Roy or Mailloux who may be PP studs as well.
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Nope Suzuki will never be the bumper EVER.
That is just DAFT.
 
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