Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

[salbutera]

Heineman is also out indefinitely.

On a positive note, this is Roy’s moment to shine, call him up…

 

[bcv]

It’s incredible that because a handful of posters have gone a little overboard with the doom and gloom it will now be deemed totally unreasonable to be concerned or skeptical that Dach can stay healthy for sustained periods while fulfilling a #1 or 1A/1B role.

The truth is that, before this season, he missed a lot of games due to injuries.

The truth is also that Chicago definitely could not predict that he would due to one broken wrist.

The truth is also that last year he did not miss that much time due to injury. He missed a lot of time due to an infection.

All that to say.. you're not unreasonable to be concerned about if he can stay healthy. You might be if you think that 2 injuries means he'll never be healthy. Plenty of players have had their share of time missed due to injuries. Bergeron, Crosby, Stamkos are names that comes to mind quickly.

 

[Andy]

The whole injury prone discussion is Markov 2.0.

 

[FerrisRox]

I obviously have no way of knowing something like that. I’m a huge fan of Dach. He’s part of the Saskatoon Blades alumni which is my hometown and makes him a rare entirety in Montreal. But you have to wonder if his grocery list of injuries was in fact a big concern for Chicago. It’s impossible to ignore especially after his first two years here.

The reason you have "no way of knowing that" is because it didn't happen. He didn't have any injuries that season at all, yet you claimed he hasn't been healthy going back to Junior.

 

[No More Subban]

Fn terrible news. Didnt think it was serious. Thought he'd be out for just a week or two.

 

[FerrisRox]

It’s incredible that because a handful of posters have gone a little overboard with the doom and gloom it will now be deemed totally unreasonable to be concerned or skeptical that Dach can stay healthy for sustained periods while fulfilling a #1 or 1A/1B role.

I think it's much more incredible that Dach has sustained an injury, nobody even knows what it is, and there are idiots in this thread claiming that the organization needs to move forward without him and they should assume he will "never be healthy."

That's one of the single stupidest remarks I've ever read here and for you to call that "a little overboard" is so disingenuous I don't even know where to begin with your comment.

 

[HabzSauce]

Correct me if I'm wrong but the issues he's had in the past were not knee related at all, this is an unfortunate freak injury. They happen every week across all sports, calling him injury prone for that is just dumb.

I never really understood that. If a guy injures his knee, ankle, hip, wrist, shoulder and neck - are we really gonna say that dude isn't injury prone just because they're different injuries?

To me if a guy is always injured regardless of what the injury is, he's injury prone. As of today, Dach is injury prone. And who knows maybe this knee injury is related to one of his previous LBIs in the past.

Now that doesn't mean he will always be injury prone - hopefully these are just freak injuries and nothing more than that.

It's just weird to me because Dach is a physical beast and is very strong. He should have more durability with his frame but for some reason he still finds ways to get injured

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Kirby ''Monahan'' Dach

Injured also by an old garbage habs 1st round pick
and against his old team

Can't make this shit up

 

[nhlfan9191]

The reason you have "no way of knowing that" is because it didn't happen. He didn't have any injuries that season at all, yet you claimed he hasn't been healthy going back to Junior.

What? He’s missed games literally every season going back to junior.. I may just be a fan but I don’t need to be a doctor to see that. He’s been a bandaid his entire career. How am I suppose to know if he has anything chronic going on or if he’s just an antenna for bad luck?

 

[McGees]

It doesn't matter where they are. Probably worse if they are different injuries. It means a player is too brittle for contact sports.

nah - if it is same place it shows a weakness/destroyed part of body. This could still be bad luck and freak injuries at this point and perhaps an adjustment to how he approaches his routine even. I wouldn't write him off as brittle yet.

 

[themilosh]

His injuries are not a result of "bad luck" but rather a result of in game IQ. There's no denying Dach is oozing with talent, but some players simply never learned how to protect their angles (themselves) from serious injuries.
When teaching youth hockey/soccer, I see it all the time.. I like to use the F1 example: You can take a race car on a straightaway to top speeds, but if you take the corner(s) at such a speed what will happen? This seems to help them understand how to maintain full control.

Sorry - but he wasn't blindsided by Tinordi, infact the hit didn't even look malicious in any way. His knee injury (if that is indeed what it is) is bc Dach didn;t have the spatial awareness of his opponents, himself and the proximity of the boards. and as such was not prepared (off balance).

This is often the case with big fellas, as they coast through the youth leagues without ever facing heavy hits (at speed). as a result they never really develop the understanding of centrifugal force.

 

[Habssince89]

Sometimes HF does a really good job of putting into perspective just how f***ing stupid the average population is.

helps the ignore list

 

[GrandBison]

Man, could we have a break with injuries?

 

[FLHabs]

Another wasted development year for Dach it seems... This team can't catch a break.

 

[vHAB]

I was sad when guys like Guhle, Dach and Caufield went down last year too but at least we had a lot of the season behind us and had already seen progression from those guys and had the tank and hope of landing Bedard as a consolation. This early in the year though its just devasting. I'm crushed right now

 

[BLONG7]

Guys, easy does it.................bad luck for sure, but easy on some of this chatter.....there is NO way anyone on here can have any inside type of info on a slice on bad luck hit during the 2nd game of the season....
Let this just unfold as to how long, easy with the speculations....

 

[Pickles]

Why can't we have nice things? Especially getting hurt by Tinordi on top of that.

 

[the valiant effort]

The truth is that, before this season, he missed a lot of games due to injuries.

The truth is also that Chicago definitely could not predict that he would due to one broken wrist.

The truth is also that last year he did not miss that much time due to injury. He missed a lot of time due to an infection.

All that to say.. you're not unreasonable to be concerned about if he can stay healthy. You might be if you think that 2 injuries means he'll never be healthy. Plenty of players have had their share of time missed due to injuries. Bergeron, Crosby, Stamkos are names that comes to mind quickly.

I remain very hopeful that Dach is going to be THE guy for us because, thankfully, knee injuries aren’t the automatic death sentence they once were.

Posters keep citing HOF level talents that had established themselves as NHL mainstays before enduring awful stretches of injuries as proof that there’s no reason to worry about Dach's future.

Bergeron had two 70-pt seasons before concussions looked like they may have ruined his career. Crosby had 500+ pts before his concussions. Stamkos had a 60 goal season and multiple 90-pt years before the knee. Markov was 9 years into his NHL career.

Dach, like most players his size, is still an unrefined, unfinished product in his D+5, and it appears he is going to lose out on yet more crucial development time this year. Seems perfectly fine to me if some fans are exhausted watching our few potential stars, going back to the 90s, routinely hitting roadblocks in their development. I don't mind if they choose to hit the quit button a little quicker than might be reasonable, and I also don't care if like 3 posters have said "trade the guy" or another 5 posters have split hairs on the "definition" of "injury-prone".

That's one of the single stupidest remarks I've ever read here and for you to call that "a little overboard" is so disingenuous I don't even know where to begin with your comment.

Oh don’t be so hysterical, Ferris.

 

[HabsCowboysOwn]

I never really understood that. If a guy injures his knee, ankle, hip, wrist, shoulder and neck - are we really gonna say that dude isn't injury prone just because they're different injuries?

To me if a guy is always injured regardless of what the injury is, he's injury prone. As of today, Dach is injury prone. And who knows maybe this knee injury is related to one of his previous LBIs in the past.

Now that doesn't mean he will always be injury prone - hopefully these are just freak injuries and nothing more than that.

It's just weird to me because Dach is a physical beast and is very strong. He should have more durability with his frame but for some reason he still finds ways to get injured

All I know is that knee injuries are super common in contact sports and sometimes it doesn't take much. I just think it's too early to panic and call him an unathletic glass-made bum that should be cut asap.

It's totally fair to have reasonable doubts about his long-term ability to remain healthy but some of the posts I've seen in the last few pages of this thread are simply embarrassing.

 

[Runner77]

Just spitballing here but at the time thought they may have decided he would not turn into a very good centre. Teams dream of landing the big centre in the draft, Habs back to Sam Pollock have not had a lot of success in finding one. The Hawks seemed to turn the page quickly here, would be interested to know the real story.

Since the Habs have had him for one season, two training camps and have kept tabs on him in the last two off seasons, even if the Hawks had their reasons, would those not have come to the surface with the Habs by now?

 

[HabzSauce]

All I know is that knee injuries are super common in contact sports and sometimes it doesn't take much. I just think it's too early to panic and call him an unathletic glass-made bum that should be cut asap.

It's totally fair to have reasonable doubts about his long-term ability to remain healthy but some of the posts I've seen in the last few pages of this thread are simply embarrassing.

I agree.

It's frustrating for sure, but I genuinely don't feel like he'll be an injury prone player moving forward. He's too strong man, this ain't Drouin lol

 

[Captain Mountain]

All I know is that knee injuries are super common in contact sports and sometimes it doesn't take much. I just think it's too early to panic and call him an unathletic glass-made bum that should be cut asap.

It's totally fair to have reasonable doubts about his long-term ability to remain healthy but some of the posts I've seen in the last few pages of this thread are simply embarrassing.

It also feels like people are diagnosing the injury, rending their clothes, and going into mourning before we have any real details of how long he'll be out for or the nature of the injury.

It sucks that Dach is hurt again (even though it was a fluky play), but people seriously have to chill out a little bit because you'd think Montreal was a contender and just lost a Hart contender.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

By not being an insane person who flips my lid and doomsdays every possible thing.

You openly admitted to having previously cheered against Habs prospect (and hiding it) because you wanted to be right.

You have zero legs to stand on here.

It also feels like people are diagnosing the injury, rending their clothes, and going into mourning before we have any real details of how long he'll be out for or the nature of the injury.

It sucks that Dach is hurt again (even though it was a fluky play), but people seriously have to chill out a little bit because you'd think Montreal was a contender and just lost a Hart contender.

I think context matters here. This happens game 2 of a new season. Of course people are going to be more bitter about it than if it happened in March or something.

With that said, hopefully it's only a couple of months.

 

[Colezuki]

You openly admitted to having previously cheered against Habs prospect because (and hiding it) because you wanted to be right.

You have zero legs to stand on here.

Half this board has claimed Slaf is a bust, much like Dach no one has legs to stand on here

...too soon?

 

[OnTheRun]

Fn terrible news. Didnt think it was serious. Thought he'd be out for just a week or two.

It really doesn't take much to bust a knee (if that's what happened to him) in hockey or soccer, in the former your blade get stuck in the ice, the knee twist in a "funny" way then something tear or snap. Even when the incident look benign the amount of force applied to that body part could very much exceed the specs.