Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

Rapala

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LOL the people giving up on him already because of normal NHL injuries that can happen to anyone, any time, any shift
Real Pathetic guys, more than usual
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So far the player has a history of getting injured regardless if we like it or not. I don't think anyone has given up. Tage Thompson went through two horrific seasons with Buffalo before putting in two seasons of 78 games.
 

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So far the player has a history of getting injured regardless if we like it or not. I don't think anyone has given up. Tage Thompson went through two horrific seasons with Buffalo before putting in two seasons of 78 games.
Some players seem to get hurt more often than others even if the injuries aren't related. Could be play style, preparation, rest or coincidence. Who knows, but Dach is injured frequently, that we do know.

It sucks, but I don't see anyone giving up on him, frustrated maybe.
 

SlafySZN

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They won't call anyone up, Pezzetta slides in to the 4th line and RHP moves up.


I watched the video a few times and I saw no puck to the knee and I also didn't see the hit having an effect on his knee...
He pointed the side of the knee or around that. Tinordi kind of made him slide on the top of the board with his legs out, the knee might be bruised or tweaked? I guess we’ll have to wait
 
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the valiant effort

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So far the player has a history of getting injured regardless if we like it or not. I don't think anyone has given up. Tage Thompson went through two horrific seasons with Buffalo before putting in two seasons of 78 games.

Tbf I bumped this thread last night with “I give up” :sarcasm:

After sleeping on it I decided to not give up and I now look forward to seeing Dach return to full health in time for training camp 2024.
 

Estimated_Prophet

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Negative and realistic are two different things. Dach has been injury prone since the world juniors.

"Injury prone" is subjective and in this case it is hyperbolic. He has been unlucky but the sample size is tiny and he does not have a history of one specific injury continuously recurring.

The fatalist narrative that is surfacing is just hyperbolic nonsense and people should at least consider a more balanced approach when reacting to these situations because these types of contributions are meaningless and annoying.

Hot takes for me are like going to the beach on a beautiful morning only to find goose sh*t all over the place.
 

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"Injury prone" is subjective and in this case it is hyperbolic. He has been unlucky but the sample size is tiny and he does not have a history of one specific injury continuously recurring.

The fatalist narrative that is surfacing is just hyperbolic nonsense and people should at least consider a more balanced approach when reacting to these situations because these types of contributions are meaningless and annoying.

Hot takes for me are like going to the beach on a beautiful morning only to find goose sh*t all over the place.
I feel you but going by what I read, I don’t see anyone saying they gave up on Dach.

I think it’s factual to point out he’s been injured a good amount of times, and that it feels like a trend so far in his young career. In fact he’s missed games every single season in his pro career so far, not counting this season because he might be back as early as next game.

I think people are bracing for the worst, just in case. Fatalistic? I see what you mean, yes. Might not be necessary either (call me guilty here). But I feel it’s measured and based on past facts.

Still, I only see posters that are positive towards Dach, a rare « win » in Habs land :laugh:
 

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I feel you but going by what I read, I don’t see anyone saying they gave up on Dach.

I think it’s factual to point out he’s been injured a good amount of times, and that it feels like a trend so far in his young career. In fact he’s missed games every single season in his pro career so far, not counting this season because he might be back as early as next game.

I think people are bracing for the worst, just in case. Fatalistic? I see what you mean, yes. Might not be necessary either (call me guilty here). But I feel it’s measured and based on past facts.

Still, I only see posters that are positive towards Dach, a rare « win » in Habs land :laugh:

There was a run of fatalistic nonsense that has now fizzled out a little. He has just been unlucky and could very well return from this and be fine for the majority of his career. Until there is evidence of a specific, chronic ailment the "injury prone" narrative is unjustified and is just an example of drawing a questionable conclusion from the evidence at hand. Calling a player "injury prone" is not a comment on bad luck it is a forecast for future events and in Dach's case I don't think the evidence necessarily supports that.

"Injury prone" is commonly overused and misused and this is just another example. Maybe he will eventually deserve such a designation if/when one of these injuries becomes a lingering question that proves difficult to manage.

Hope is a small injury and he will be back in 2-3 weeks.

You have to be concerned about a possible ACL due to him seeming to point to the outside of his knee. Hopefully it is just a strain that will mend in the near future as he was opening a ton of space for Slaf who struggled without Dach.
 
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There was a run of fatalistic nonsense that has now fizzled out a little. He has just been unlucky and could very well return from this and be fine for the majority of his career. Until there is evidence of a specific, chronic ailment the "injury prone" narrative is unjustified and is just an example of drawing a questionable conclusion from the evidence at hand. Calling a player "injury prone" is not a comment on bad luck it is a forecast for future events and in Dach's case I don't think the evidence necessarily supports that.

"Injury prone" is commonly overused and misused and this is just another example. Maybe he will eventually deserve such a designation if/when one of these injuries becomes a lingering question that proves difficult to manage.



You have to be concerned about a possible ACL due to him seeming to point to the outside of his knee. Hopefully it is just a strain that will mend in the near future as he was opening a ton of space for Slaf who struggled without Dach.
ACL is the anterior cruciate ligament...it is under the knee cap and is injured when the leg moves forward or in torsion. On the outside it is the lateral collateral ligament. As i said earlier, looking at the hit, at no point does his knee get twisted however there is contact to the outside which would lead to a contusion or bruise. If so he dodges a bullet and will likely be back soon.
 

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ACL is the anterior cruciate ligament...it is under the knee cap and is injured when the leg moves forward or in torsion. On the outside it is the lateral collateral ligament. As i said earlier, looking at the hit, at no point does his knee get twisted however there is contact to the outside which would lead to a contusion or bruise. If so he dodges a bullet and will likely be back soon.

Fact he was able to bear weight on it a few minutes afterwards going back to test his knee on the ice is reassuring for an ACL. If he tore his ACL the joint would have been full of blood and no way he could have done that...

Maybe just a la lateral collateral ligament sprain, he was showing the trainer the outside of his right knee.

I don't expect a catastrophic injury, but I could be wrong.

 
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Fact he was able to bear weight on it a few minutes afterwards going back to test his knee on the ice is reassuring for an ACL. If he tore his ACL the joint would have been full of blood and no way he could have done that...

Maybe just a la lateral collateral ligament sprain, he was showing the trainer the outside of his right knee.

I don't expect a catastrophic injury, but I could be wrong.


You can put weight on an injured ACL and only know it's torn or fully torn later. The thing with the ACL is that it is most clearly felt when the knee is torqued.
 

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You can put weight on an injured ACL and only know it's torn or fully torn later. The thing with the ACL is that it is most clearly felt when the knee is torqued.
Not really.

A "acutely" completely torn ACL will give an hemarthrosis almost right away after the injury. People will hardly be able to bear any weight just a few minutes afterward (an "acute knee", red, warm and swollen).
 
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The one guy I wanted to see with Caufield and Suzuki was Davidson. He's got quite the motor and is willing to DIG. I think those guys need a smart digger with decent size.
Corey Perry ;)

Rookie isn't going to help them
Suzuki needs to put a bit of effort in
He's far from the superstar that he thinks he is
He seems a bit underwhelming since start of camp in terms of offense but I find he fights a lot more board battles
 
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The one guy I wanted to see with Caufield and Suzuki was Davidson. He's got quite the motor and is willing to DIG. I think those guys need a smart digger with decent size.
He doesn't have an ELC currently so can't be called up. Houle also seems to be rotating all the new forwards except Roy. Farrell, and Heinemen.
 

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