Confirmed with Link: Kirby Dach to Montreal for 13th and 66th overall picks

[Kevin Musto]

I'm not really buying the rushed argument. Dach looked like he belonged, or at the very least was on pace to belong, in the NHL his rookie year. Then he got injured during the offseason and took a pronounced step back imho. How much of that was not recovering mentally or physically, a prolonged sophomore slump, or just not adjusting after an initial solid start and alre a dy being at his ceiling, I don't know.

Also should have been sent to Rockford post-injury.

They just left him floundering when the competition was too tough for him. Needed a chance to be "the guy" and regain his confidence.

 

[TheFridge]

I'm not really buying the rushed argument. Dach looked like he belonged, or at the very least was on pace to belong, in the NHL his rookie year. Then he got injured during the offseason and took a pronounced step back imho. How much of that was not recovering mentally or physically, a prolonged sophomore slump, or just not adjusting after an initial solid start and alre a dy being at his ceiling, I don't know.

He was 100% rushed. Dach can skate in the NHL and obviously has plus NHL size but that's it. He never looked confident making plays at NHL speed and I just saw a graph the other day that said over the last 3 years he's in the top-10 amongst all skaters in terms of hits taken. I think he was the only forward, the rest were D. Over his 3 years in CHI, he never really looked like he adjusted to NHL pace. Not to mention the fact that he never dominated a level before getting to the NHL. Even his draft year, he was good in the WHL but he wasn't so good that you would have expected him to break into the NHL the following year. And on top of everything else, the kid got a concussion in the pre-camp rookie tournament prior to his first camp with CHI, resulting in him not even having a training camp/pre-season to acclimatize to the NHL. If Davidson were the GM that year, there's no chance Dach sticks on the team.

 

[ClydeLee]

I'm not really buying the rushed argument. Dach looked like he belonged, or at the very least was on pace to belong, in the NHL his rookie year. Then he got injured during the offseason and took a pronounced step back imho. How much of that was not recovering mentally or physically, a prolonged sophomore slump, or just not adjusting after an initial solid start and alre a dy being at his ceiling, I don't know.

He looked like he belonged in terms of effort and defensive play but not offense. And it was thinking the offense would come. But that was his issue his final chl year still, having enough finish and he needed to work on that offense when to trust in your shot or go extra.

 

[Northernhawk]

DeBrincat at $6.4 mill
Strome at $3.5 mill
now Dach at $3.36 mill
Kubalik at $2.5 mill
Lankinen at $1.5 mill
Gustafsson at $800,000
Borgstrom at $750,000
Delia at $750,000

attempted to be replaced by...

Mrazek at $3.8 mill
Athanasiou at $3 mill
Domi at $3 mill
Blackwell at $1.2 mill
Johnson at $950,000
Robinson at $750,000
Sikura at $750,000
Stalock at $750,000

$6 mill cheaper...and it shows...

 

[RememberTheRoar]

DeBrincat at $6.4 mill
Strome at $3.5 mill
now Dach at $3.36 mill
Kubalik at $2.5 mill
Lankinen at $1.5 mill
Gustafsson at $800,000
Borgstrom at $750,000
Delia at $750,000

attempted to be replaced by...

Mrazek at $3.8 mill
Athanasiou at $3 mill
Domi at $3 mill
Blackwell at $1.2 mill
Johnson at $950,000
Robinson at $750,000
Sikura at $750,000
Stalock at $750,000

$6 mill cheaper...and it shows...

Have you heard that the Hawks are attempting to rebuild?

 

[Kevin Musto]

Have you heard that the Hawks are attempting to rebuild?

Rebuild? Is that the thing where you trade two 1st round picks and a promising young player for a 1D and then re-sign that player for 8 years at $9.5M?

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Rebuild? Is that the thing where you trade two 1st round picks and a promising young player for a 1D and then re-sign that player for 8 years at $9.5M?

What? When exactly did Davidson do that?

 

[TheFridge]

Rebuild? Is that the thing where you trade two 1st round picks and a promising young player for a 1D and then re-sign that player for 8 years at $9.5M?

What's the point of bringing up anything Bowman did? It has not bearing on what they're doing now.

 

[Kevin Musto]

What? When exactly did Davidson do that?

What's the point of bringing up anything Bowman did? It has not bearing on what they're doing now.

It's a joke y'all. Take it easy.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

It's a joke y'all. Take it easy.

Thank goodness! Apparently, some people still haven't gotten the message that the Hawks are trying to tank.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Thank goodness! Apparently, some people still haven't gotten the message that the Hawks are trying to tank.

I'm very much pro-tank, and for the most part pro-Davidson. I like that he actually has a plan and a roadmap to follow.

 

[Crow]

DeBrincat at $6.4 mill
Strome at $3.5 mill
now Dach at $3.36 mill
Kubalik at $2.5 mill
Lankinen at $1.5 mill
Gustafsson at $800,000
Borgstrom at $750,000
Delia at $750,000

attempted to be replaced by...

Mrazek at $3.8 mill
Athanasiou at $3 mill
Domi at $3 mill
Blackwell at $1.2 mill
Johnson at $950,000
Robinson at $750,000
Sikura at $750,000
Stalock at $750,000

$6 mill cheaper...and it shows...

9 million in actual salary for the cat. Didn’t realize that until today. I wonder if that hurt his trade value a smidge.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Dach was in a weird spot. He absolutely was too good to be playing CHL hockey. He had NHL tools and those flash. You can't throw a teenager against veteran professionals and expect said teenager to thrive unless he's generational. Dach isn't.

Kid was rushed. Would you move the 13th and 66th pick in the upcoming draft for a player like Kirby? I wouldn't.

 

[EddieTheEagle]

I'm very much pro-tank, and for the most part pro-Davidson. I like that he actually has a plan and a roadmap to follow.

If Musto is happy, I am happy.

 

[TheFridge]

Dach was in a weird spot. He absolutely was too good to be playing CHL hockey. He had NHL tools and those flash. You can't throw a teenager against veteran professionals and expect said teenager to thrive unless he's generational. Dach isn't.

Kid was rushed. Would you move the 13th and 66th pick in the upcoming draft for a player like Kirby? I wouldn't.

I don't think the spot was that weird in his D+1 year. He absolutely should have been sent back. Maybe the following year he would have been in that too good for junior, not quite good enough for the NHL spot but who knows. If he had gone back to Junior and dominated in his D+1, he certainly wouldn't have been rushed back from his WJC injury in the NHL bc he wouldn't have been on the team. And who knows, with a legit shot at making the roster that season, maybe he foregoes the WJC invite to focus on making CHI like a bunch of kids did this summer and never gets injured.

A whole lot of what ifs with Dach. At the end of the day though, he just hasn't looked very good in the NHL.

 

[HLLYWD99]

Well, they’re betting on him. Hopefully he fixes that disconnect in his brain where he’s a second too slow with everything.

OVERPAY! Yes by $1.3625 per year. The Hab's are going to be greatly disappointed and yes I consider this a payback for 1971.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Would you move the 13th and 66th pick in the upcoming draft for a player like Kirby? I wouldn't.

Totally agree. I’m thankful Montreal made that move. It was way more than the Nintendo boy was worth.

 

[HabsAddict]

If he returns to what he should have been before he was injured and rushed, think of someone like Jason Spezza.

That is one hell of a take.

If he does become like Spezza, it's the steal of the century.

I saw his videos and he does have a great backhand, skates, but I did not see Spezza level moves.

Let's see....

 

[BobbyJet]

Spezza was an offensive star in Junior and had the points to show for it. I don't see the comparison at all.

 

[BK]

Spezza was an offensive star in Junior and had the points to show for it. I don't see the comparison at all.

Yeah, Spezza was a stud and Dach doesn't come close to him when comparing Junior careers.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Dach plays nothing like Spezza.

 

[giza]

Less about Dach.....time will tell, but he didn't really seem to be really good at anything......but VERY excited for the pick we got......kids got some talent!

 

[Hattrick Kane]

I know there were some who wanted Turcotte at third. Sounds like hes not playing in his rookie camp this week, concussion issues. You just never know with these kids unfortunately.

 

[Kevin Musto]

I know there were some who wanted Turcotte at third. Sounds like hes not playing in his rookie camp this week, concussion issues. You just never know with these kids unfortunately.

Injury issues for Dach, Byram, and Turcotte

Of course Byram recovered, and Dach and Turcotte can as well.

But yeah at some point they've all had their development screwed.

And before they were all drafted was Kakko who has had no injuries, but has been subpar regardless.

An interesting run from 2-5 in that draft.

 

[Northernhawk]

Whatever happened to players starting in AHL for a couple of years??? It was always the norm, I can remember Coach Q saying that “the NHL isn’t a instructional league, that’s what the AHL is for”...players are suppose to learn team structures down in the minors...
Corey Crawford played 4 yrs in AHL and developed into a great NHL goalie

Duncan Keith played 2 yrs in AHL, two time Norris winning defencemen

Dustin Byfuglien(2 yrs), Patrick Sharp(3 yrs with Phi), James Wisniewski(2 yrs), Bryan Bickell(4 yrs), Dave Bolland(1 yr), a Troy Brouwer(2 yrs), Colin Fraser(3 yrs), Niklas Hjalmarsson(2 yrs)...Hawks fans need to remember this, and most of all the Blackhawks organization have finally realized this...patience