Confirmed with Link: Kirby Dach signed to 4 year contract (3.3625M AAV)

[ReHabs]

Come on man... That's like the worst possible outcome I presented there...

And you say he's a bad defensive forward while he was used on the PK in Chicago.

Might I say you don't know what you're talking about?

You could say that... but Chicago was a garbage team last year, so anyone playing any role there is irrelevant imo. My feelings on Defensive Forwards is that it is not exactly the same as a Penalty Killing forward. Similar in some ways but I wouldn't say every PKer is automatically a good defensive forward.

But Dach, as of today, is definitely better at D than F... which isn't saying too much if you know what I mean.

I'm hoping for more and rooting for his and our success.

 

[jaffy27]

Given what style just signed for, pretty sure the negotiations with Caufield will start at 8 x 8...

Too much money. I’m comfortable with a 5.5m$ x 5yrs with goal bonus incentives ……Suzuki is a much more accomplished player then Caufield in a much more important position….i doubt he gets more $$$ then Suzuki, like highly doubt!!

 

[Belial]

You could say that... but Chicago was a garbage team last year, so anyone playing any role there is irrelevant imo. My feelings on Defensive Forwards is that it is not exactly the same as a Penalty Killing forward. Similar in some ways but I wouldn't say every PKer is automatically a good defensive forward.

But Dach, as of today, is definitely better at D than F... which isn't saying too much if you know what I mean.

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I'm hoping for more and rooting for his and our success.

We can definitely agree that even the worst coach in the world wouldn't utilize a guy that has no clue about defense on the PK.

So Dach is already somewhat defensively responsible...

 

[KevSkillz4]

This team will looks so good after the draft of 2023, just having 2 1st picks is a huge W (even if both are not high).

Habs have already 4 youngs talented forward with Suzuki (23, the most aged, the most captain material right now, perfect thing), Caufield (21), Dach (21) and Slafkovsky (18).

They will all grow up together and I truly believe they will be all dominate. They have same qualities, high hockey IQ, high hands, high offensive talent, they can play at defense (Suzuki is the best at defense, for sure), they have all great shot, Dach need to become a better shooter, but he can shoot the puck aswell.

Like I said before, this deal is soo great, potential to be a STEAL after 2 years... i can easily see 50-55 points type of season this season for Dach, he have the talent to put that type of number... in 2 years... 60++ that's a big steal for another 2 years of 3,36.

Another big W by KENT HUGHES!!

 

[BLONG7]

Yes. Gallagher will show better stats soon with a healthy body and a Summer of rest and training. And it is over 3,6 for Dach.

Nope..............................3.36M for Dach.
Again we can agree to disagree, but Gally is overpaid and it's a crying shame, ask MB. Overpaid, banged up and and we all saw it coming except MB
Heart and soul type of player, yes, now just all mouth and skates in quicksand. I hope you are right and he can rebound, but no way he is worth his salary.
I would rather pay a kid like Dach the money he is going to get, yes it's a gamble but calculated risk that he produces in his new role, and then it can be a huge bargain.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Suzuki is a bad comparison so Dach both stylistically and in terms of career trajectory.

Suzuki never had criticisms of being a lanky and physically ineffective player, he’s also never been charged with severe underproduction.

Kotkaniemi and Dach are much more alike than any other comparable I can think of… except in Dach’s case he played with Patrick Kane and couldn’t hit 40 points, whereas Kotkaniemi was never given a similarly good line partner.

It’s not just my inherent pessimism speaking, I still follow Kotkaniemi and am curious about his trajectory. Until one pulls out of their strangely bad but not yet Bust career trajectory, I’ll follow both players and hope they both thrive.


That’s a bad deal. He cannot play defence and is non-physical to a fault. A very bad third line option if he’s to stagnate and not improve.

This is just another case of you looking solely at raw stats and making a conclusion without actually watching a player.

Dach has unique upside that Kotkaniemi never had. Dachs pure offensive skills are miles ahead of KK and have been at every stage of their development.

You only have to watch Dach play one game to see that he's highly creative, has incredible hands, and high end vision.

Worst case we have Lars Eller here and that's a really good player to have but there's also some consistency and skill application pieces that if Dach figures it out, can give us the type of center in the top 6 we've been looking for over 30 years.

 

[KevSkillz4]

This is just another case of you looking solely at raw stats and making a conclusion without actually watching a player.

Dach has unique upside that Kotkaniemi never had. Dachs pure offensive skills are miles ahead of KK and have been at every stage of their development.

You only have to watch Dach play one game to see that he's highly creative, has incredible hands, and high end vision.

Worst case we have Lars Eller here and that's a really good player to have but there's also some consistency and skill application pieces that if Dach figures it out, can give us the type of center in the top 6 we've been looking for over 30 years.

Best case, we have a Ryan Johansen type of C, that's pretty good to have on a top 6. I truly believe that Dach can put 55-65 points per season with Habs. This guy have high offensive ability, he is going to surprise some people.

 

[ReHabs]

This is just another case of you looking solely at raw stats and making a conclusion without actually watching a player.

Dach has unique upside that Kotkaniemi never had. Dachs pure offensive skills are miles ahead of KK and have been at every stage of their development.

You only have to watch Dach play one game to see that he's highly creative, has incredible hands, and high end vision.

Worst case we have Lars Eller here and that's a really good player to have but there's also some consistency and skill application pieces that if Dach figures it out, can give us the type of center in the top 6 we've been looking for over 30 years.

You’re talking potential and upside. We all want him to thrive, so we are on the same page. But, as of writing, no matter how slick his hands are a 30pt non-physical player with potential upside is still a 30pt non-physical player. Hughes is betting on more from Dach and I’ve already commended his conviction.

For a fan of a team that doesn’t have scoring talent and never has ppg players, I am not immune to looking at the stat sheet. I’d rather boring point producers than slick lanky non-producers.

 

[BLONG7]

Too much money. I’m comfortable with a 5.5m$ x 5yrs with goal bonus incentives ……Suzuki is a much more accomplished player then Caufield in a much more important position….i doubt he gets more $$$ then Suzuki, like highly doubt!!

Suzuki should be the standard by which the rest fall in line..................CC could if he has a good year, 30 goals plus 20-30 assists, could get a contract similar to Suzuki's but he should not go by Nick, no way.
If CC scores goals, he is going to get paid.........I just can't see it more than Suzuki.....7M X 8 seasons?

 

[SlafySZN]

Suzuki is a bad comparison so Dach both stylistically and in terms of career trajectory.

Suzuki never had criticisms of being a lanky and physically ineffective player, he’s also never been charged with severe underproduction.

Kotkaniemi and Dach are much more alike than any other comparable I can think of… except in Dach’s case he played with Patrick Kane and couldn’t hit 40 points, whereas Kotkaniemi was never given a similarly good line partner.

It’s not just my inherent pessimism speaking, I still follow Kotkaniemi and am curious about his trajectory. Until one pulls out of their strangely bad but not yet Bust career trajectory, I’ll follow both players and hope they both thrive.


That’s a bad deal. He cannot play defence and is non-physical to a fault. A very bad third line option if he’s to stagnate and not improve.

He is good defensively. But i wouldn’t be surprised to learn you’ve never seen him play before lol.

Too much money. I’m comfortable with a 5.5m$ x 5yrs with goal bonus incentives ……Suzuki is a much more accomplished player then Caufield in a much more important position….i doubt he gets more $$$ then Suzuki, like highly doubt!!

You’re dreaming if you think Caufield will sign 5.5m/5 years

 

[FerrisRox]

I haven't been around this forum much in the last few years, but it seems the quality of posts have gotten even worse.

This thread is literally filled with people sharing strong opinions on a player that they quite obviously haven't watched and don't know a thing about. It's truly embarrassing.

What compels someone to click reply and offer their opinion on a player they know nothing about? What would make someone look up a guy stats and then somehow think, based on that, that they should offer their opinion on the quality of the player?

Surely you realize in a hockey forum there is going to be several people that actually follow the sport and watch other teams? You know you're gonna get exposed as being full of shit... why do it?

There are a lot of truly embarrassing takes in here. I don't understand why anyone would do this. It's frankly bizarre.

 

[Belial]

I haven't been around this forum much in the last few years, but it seems the quality of posts have gotten even worse.

This thread is literally filled with people sharing strong opinions on a player that they quite obviously haven't watched and don't know a thing about. It's truly embarrassing.

What compels someone to click reply and offer their opinion on a player they know nothing about? What would make someone look up a guy stats and then somehow think, based on that, that they should offer their opinion on the quality of the player?

Surely you realize in a hockey forum there is going to be several people that actually follow the sport and watch other teams? You know you're gonna get exposed as being full of shit... why do it?

There are a lot of truly embarrassing takes in here. I don't understand why anyone would do this. It's frankly bizarre.

Bergevin sucks!!!! Yeah!!!!!

 

[sandviper]

He is good defensively. But i wouldn’t be surprised to learn you’ve never seen him play before lol.

People are too hung up on that ankle-breaking Makar goal when Dach got all twisted up. This is Makar! He’ll do that.

 

[RationalExpectations]

This is just another case of you looking solely at raw stats and making a conclusion without actually watching a player.

Dach has unique upside that Kotkaniemi never had. Dachs pure offensive skills are miles ahead of KK and have been at every stage of their development.

You only have to watch Dach play one game to see that he's highly creative, has incredible hands, and high end vision.

Worst case we have Lars Eller here and that's a really good player to have but there's also some consistency and skill application pieces that if Dach figures it out, can give us the type of center in the top 6 we've been looking for over 30 years.

Please stop rewriting history, KK and Dach both went 3OA, both were slotted in the top 10, both are big forward not really using their body, both have smooth hands, none of them shoots really well. KK's upside was really high and at the time of their respective drafts, he was a better playmaker than Dach was.

Why must a player be a superstar as soon as he arrives in MTL and bad as soon as he leaves ?

Not saying Dach for Romanov was a bad deal (even though the Sergachev - Drouin was similar) but I really don't get where you got the idea of him being better than KK right now. Both are skilled young forwards who have failed at being good at NHL level right now.

 

[SlafySZN]

Please stop rewriting history, KK and Dach both went 3OA, both were slotted in the top 10, both are big forward not really using their body, both have smooth hands, none of them shoots really well. KK's upside was really high and at the time of their respective drafts, he was a better playmaker than Dach was.

Why must a player be a superstar as soon as he arrives in MTL and bad as soon as he leaves ?

Not saying Dach for Romanov was a bad deal (even though the Sergachev - Drouin was similar) but I really don't get where you got the idea of him being better than KK right now. Both are skilled young forwards who have failed at being good at NHL level right now.

Not at all. Dach’s play making is high end.

I don’t think KK is bad, just got mismanaged with no help from the coaches.

No, Romanov is not close to being on Sergachev’s level offensively.

 

[smirob]

I think a lot are acting like this is a 8x7 deal...it's really a low risk - high reward for us. There are more moves coming and turnover on expiring contracts that will free up the space we need. 3.36M for the next 4 years isn't an anchor even if Dach doesn't turn it around.

A 3.36M contract at worst should be a 3rd line player - I'm confident that Dach is already that with 2nd line upside. Time will tell./

 

[RationalExpectations]

Not at all. Dach’s play making is high end.

I don’t think KK is bad, just got mismanaged with no help from the coaches.

No, Romanov is not close to being on Sergachev’s level offensively.

I liked Dach at the draft, thought it was bold at 3 but I understood the move. I am saying he was in the same range as KK.
Romanov has had virtually no PP time and playing a dump and chase game with the Habs, no idea how Segachev would have done. That being said I agree Sergachev is better overall. But Drouin was supposed to be a superstar so if you want this is a poor man‘s Drouin vs Segachev.

 

[Justsayin]

Unless he gets injured, it's hard to imagine a scenario where he couldn't be traded 2 years from now at that salary if he doesn't work out for us. It's a no-lose contract.

 

[417]

Dear lord... Caufield is completely unrelated to Dach.

Dach just signed his first contract coming off ELC.

Caufield's ELC is expiring next summer and he's going to need a new contract.

How are they completely unrelated?

 

[SlafySZN]

I liked Dach at the draft, thought it was bold at 3 but I understood the move. I am saying he was in the same range as KK.
Romanov has had virtually no PP time and playing a dump and chase game with the Habs, no idea how Segachev would have done. That being said I agree Sergachev is better overall. But Drouin was supposed to be a superstar so if you want this is a poor man‘s Drouin vs Segachev.

Dach was 5th on Bob Mckenzie’s final ranking so it wasn’t really a reach but to be fair the top of the 2019 draft other than Hughes and Byram, guys like Kakko, Turcotte, Dach are all underwhelming at this moment. I’d still take Dach out of Kakko or Turcotte.

But yes at this very moment, KK and Dach are kinda in the same boat, i just like and liked Dach as a player more when i saw them in their respective draft year but i’m not a KK hater. Also, Dach technically played only 2 full seasons, KK is starting his 5th.

 

[417]

Given what style just signed for, pretty sure the negotiations with Caufield will start at 8 x 8...

This summer when we started talking about Caufield's extension...I said if he signs over 8 years, it's going to be more than Suzuki.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Bergevin sucks!!!! Yeah!!!!!

What does that have to do with what he was talking about?

I think Hughes/Gorton has shown in literally less than a year that Bergevin did, indeed, suck and sucked on many levels. I can't believe you still refuse to acknowledge this.

It's not hard.

I thought Dom Ducharme would be a good coach.

He was not.

I was wrong.

Not hard to admit to being wrong on something.

 

[417]

Suzuki is a bad comparison so Dach both stylistically and in terms of career trajectory.

Suzuki never had criticisms of being a lanky and physically ineffective player, he’s also never been charged with severe underproduction.

They're all bad comparisons. That's the point.

Kotkaniemi and Dach are much more alike than any other comparable I can think of… except in Dach’s case he played with Patrick Kane and couldn’t hit 40 points, whereas Kotkaniemi was never given a similarly good line partner.

It’s not just my inherent pessimism speaking, I still follow Kotkaniemi and am curious about his trajectory. Until one pulls out of their strangely bad but not yet Bust career trajectory, I’ll follow both players and hope they both thrive.

We're in the era where if a guy isn't a PPG player by age of 22 he's a a bust or heading towards career bust.

Wild stuff.

 

[SlafySZN]

What does that have to do with what he was talking about?

I think Hughes/Gorton has shown in literally less than a year that Bergevin did, indeed, suck and sucked on many levels. I can't believe you still refuse to acknowledge this.

It's not hard.

I thought Dom Ducharme would be a good coach.

He was not.

I was wrong.

Not hard to admit to being wrong on something.

That profil picture man… this is it! I like that.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Please stop rewriting history, KK and Dach both went 3OA, both were slotted in the top 10, both are big forward not really using their body, both have smooth hands, none of them shoots really well. KK's upside was really high and at the time of their respective drafts, he was a better playmaker than Dach was.

Why must a player be a superstar as soon as he arrives in MTL and bad as soon as he leaves ?

Not saying Dach for Romanov was a bad deal (even though the Sergachev - Drouin was similar) but I really don't get where you got the idea of him being better than KK right now. Both are skilled young forwards who have failed at being good at NHL level right now.

I'm not rewriting history. You can go back to Dach's draft year threads and you will see that I was high on Dach before his draft year even arrived.

I wasn't as high on KK as others but fully supported him as our selection. You can even find posts when Dach was drafted with a multitude of people lamenting why we didn't have a player like Dach available when we were picking at 3.

I also never said that Dach is better than KK right now, what I said was that Dach has been better at every stage of development than KK. That means, in Dach's draft year, he was a more polished, skilled and refined player with more upside than KK. That has been true of every similar year D+1, D+2, etc.

I wish KK the best and think there's still plenty of potential he'll realize in Carolina but he's always been a guy that will top out, if he hits his potential, as a big two-way center with 50-65 pt potential where Dach has always shown way more skill to potentially hit 70-80 pts in his prime.

KK has a better shot than Dach but everything else? Dach is the better skater. He's the better handler. He's the better passer. He has the better vision.