Confirmed with Link: Kirby Dach signed to 4 year contract (3.3625M AAV)

[WeThreeKings]

Good to see it's been almost 3 months since the draft and some people still haven't wrapped their head around the fact we were never trading Romanov for 13th OA if Dach wasn't available in trade.

 

[CHfan1]

If Dach doesn’t pan out I’m more worried about the Habs centre depth than the $3.36 million cap hit.

I do think this is a good gamble by Hughes. If it pays off it’s going to be a big boost to the Habs future core.

As a note, as far as cap hits goes, Dach has the 11th highest cap hit for forwards on the Habs, 15th overall for players. It’s not like it’s a big amount for a player years away from his peak.

 

[Sorinth]

Good to see it's been almost 3 months since the draft and some people still haven't wrapped their head around the fact we were never trading Romanov for 13th OA if Dach wasn't available in trade.

The trade proposal thread is filled with a million things that are never going to happen. It's a discussion board, and the fact is if Hughes wanted to he could have traded Romanov for 13th and made a pick. Now maybe that discussion is better had in the Hughes thread since the discussion is about whether Hughes made the right call or not.

If Dach doesn’t pan out I’m more worried about the Habs centre depth than the $3.36 million cap hit.

I do think this is a good gamble by Hughes. If it pays off it’s going to be a big boost to the Habs future core.

As a note, as far as cap hits goes, Dach has the 11th highest cap hit for forwards on the Habs, 15th overall for players. It’s not like it’s a big amount for a player years away from his peak.

True but at least half the forwards with a higher caphit have negative value due to those caphits so it doesn't mean all that much.

 

[MoneyManny]

If the results in the standings end up being the same as Bergevin's will you still like it?

Now that was said in jest. I agree with you that Hughes & Gorton are huge wheeler-dealers. But We have yet to see the fallout of those deals and by that I mean what sort of players they acquired. Till now all their acquisitions have huge question marks. They can all be great pick ups or they can turn out to be a stable of Armias. And yes that applies to Slaf also. So Hughes being a risk taker doesn't get me all that excited. It's great for the local media.

That's life though. You don't get anything without taking risks and even if every single one of Hughes & Gorton's moves have a chance to backfire on us, we're still better off making a real attempt for a real future than doing it the Bergevin's way and go all in for the cup every single year with a hilariously bad roster over and over again with 0 results after a decade (a lot longer if you include previous managements).

There's 31 other teams trying to win just as much as we do. Nothing any GM ever does is a guarantee of success.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

It is common knowledge that the Cap will significantly increase once the flat cap initiative that was prompted by the pandemic is lifted. Most experts are prognosticating an increase of 8 - 10 million in the next four years. Who knows how accurate that will prove to be but there is zero doubt that it will be significant.

Your understanding of the Canadian economy will not have any bearing on this outcome

Perhaps. But perhaps not. In my long life I have rarely seen legitimate businesses who weren't adversely affected by dire economic conditions. Currently, we have governments wrestling with trillions of dollars of debt; spiraling inflation; rising interest rates; falling property values; crumbling infrastructure; overburden health care systems and an unending war in Europe. Perhaps the economic projections of some are not as rosy as some predict. I suspect that many fans in a few years may have other priorities than spending their money to support billionaire owners and their millionaire players. But maybe not.

 

[FerrisRox]

It just happened that Gally started to be less effective after the signing because he started to be injured often. Could happen to anyone.

What on earth are you talking about?

Gallgher "started to be injured often" when he signed his contract?

In the last seven seasons he had two seasons of 82 games, one year at 64 games, then 59, 56, 53, and 35. This is not a new development that happened after signing his contract.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Perhaps. But perhaps not. In my long life I have rarely seen legitimate businesses who weren't adversely affected by dire economic conditions. Currently, we have governments wrestling with trillions of dollars of debt; spiraling inflation; rising interest rates; falling property values; crumbling infrastructure; overburden health care systems and an unending war in Europe. Perhaps the economic projections of some are not as rosy as some predict. I suspect that many fans in a few years may have other priorities than spending their money to support billionaire owners and their millionaire players. But maybe not.

I think you are painting a dystopian narrative that is not an entirely accurate reflection of the current economic state of the country. A huge heaping spoonful of hyperbole that I am going to have to dismiss as it is not going to add any value to this discussion.

 

[viceroy]

We are just never going to get over that Liiga production thing, are we?

It’s going to be tantamount to something else we never got over — how Alzner was going to be Petry’s “most reliable partner ever.”

At least I heard Monahan and Dach are kicking ass at opening pickle jars right now.

Dump Dru or Hoffman and offer sheet Sandin and we are set.

Sandin? Why? Is he really any better than Mete?

If the results in the standings end up being the same as Bergevin's will you still like it?

For the next two seasons sure.

For a tall guy though, seems to be that he's underdeveloped as far as upper body is concerned.

Better that than trying to look like a running back like Subban did.

He is soft as hell. If there's one thing Habs fans don't like is "big" guys who are soft and don't play physical.

Pierre Dagenais part deux?

They must think very highly of this kid after getting rid of Romanov then trading the 13th pick for him.

Or they just really don't like Russians.

Because this forum has an aversion to diminutive types, the Caufield extension will be measured on a whole other basis.

Million dollar per inch in height chart on the way.

That’s a whole other story. There were...

No mention of his crazy girlfriend?

In the NFL, at least, they don't have guaranteed deals. Should be the same in the NHL.

I find the non-guaranteed contracts a disgusting aspect of the NFL. There should be some compensation.

 

[Runner77]

I just wondered who the animals were that you were referring to?

No one in particular. It was just a way of describing a prevailing atmosphere.

 

[YukonCornelius 5thOA]

I just wondered who the animals were that you were referring to?

 

[SlafySZN]

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[1909]

So you don't want Dach paid 3.3M at 21 yrs old.................but are ok with Gally at almost7M for his nothing stats now?
Deserved to be paid better? The joke of a contract now is one of the worse in the league.

Guess we will agree to disagree here, but I honestly think Dach will surprise people.....Gally sure wont. He is too busy talking, and chirping, instead of playing, and putting up numbers.

Yes. Gallagher will show better stats soon with a healthy body and a Summer of rest and training. And it is over 3,3 for Dach.

 

[Redux91]

Yes. Gallagher will show better stats soon with a healthy body and a Summer of rest and training. And it is over 3,6 for Dach.

3.36M champ

 

[Belial]

It all depends how sure management is about him. I don’t know Dach enough to weigh the gamble they made.

The gamble is really almost nonexistent!

30 points and above-average defensive play and that's already in the 3M/year ballpark...

 

[HostileCapSpace]

But it's really not...3.36M puts him in the salary range of the of the following players.

Zacha
Kerfoot
Compher
Armia
Byron
Andreas Johnsson
Faksa
Pearson

I mean I don't know... considering this cap hit, which places him 184th in the NHL in terms of cap hits (which will continue to drop with every passing year/contract), seems pretty solid.

I'd bet that Dach will be better or become better than everyone on this list. I think that's a worthy projection.


But it's not high at all.


This place is going to have a meltdown when Caufield signs his 8yr deal next year lol

Dear lord... Caufield is completely unrelated to Dach.

Too much term??? The kid is 21 years old for god sake!

Too much term for the money and what he's shown, yes.

 

[26Mats]

But it's really not...3.36M puts him in the salary range of the of the following players.

Zacha
Kerfoot
Compher
Armia
Byron
Andreas Johnsson
Faksa
Pearson

I mean I don't know... considering this cap hit, which places him 184th in the NHL in terms of cap hits (which will continue to drop with every passing year/contract), seems pretty solid.

I'd bet that Dach will be better or become better than everyone on this list. I think that's a worthy projection.


But it's not high at all.


This place is going to have a meltdown when Caufield signs his 8yr deal next year lol

Given what stuzle just signed for, pretty sure the negotiations with Caufield will start at 8 x 8...

 

[Belial]

Too much term for the money and what he's shown, yes.

It's a potential signing and not a past accomplishments one.

How is this so hard to understand?

The Habs are "gambling" on the kid to keep improving and reach another level .

The money they gave him though is the money of a decent third-line center in the league!

Even if he doesn't explode it's still not that bad of a deal!

I have no idea where the confusion or the fuss about this deal comes from.

 

[The Great Weal]

I’m not sold on Dach at all and his flaws and issues seem pretty serious (slow decision making, poor goal scorer, injured wrist, allergic to contact, lack of production despite playing with Kane/Cat) from what Hawks fans claim but I don’t see how this is a problematic contract.

 

[FourQuarters]

I think it's reasonable to worry. ButI don't agree "he didn't figure it out when he played with Kane, so he won't figure it out when he plays with someone else."
"Playing with Kane" was one of the reasons he struggled last season. He's the only guy on that line who can make defensive play, especially when the Dman is Seth Jones.
He is one of the most used forward, partially because he played PK, shouldered tons of defensive responsibilities for Toews, who just returned from illness. It certainly can't significantly improve his scoring numbers.
Kirby hasn't been a great scorer. But it doesn't matter if he's playing with Kane or not.

 

[Belial]

I think it's reasonable to worry.

It's not though... He got the contract of a third-line center!

 

[FourQuarters]

It's not though... He got the contract of a third-line center!

I'm sorry I may not have made it clear, worried about his future development, not Cap hit.

 

[Belial]

I'm sorry I may not have made it clear, worried about his future development, not Cap hit.

He put up 26 points in 70 games last year with Chicago, that's around 30 prorated to a full season.

The point made here is that even if he doesn't progress like at all it would still be a decent deal!

 

[ReHabs]

Low hanging fruit to be honest.

You could choose to compare it to Suzuki if you wanted, but I guess because he wasn't drafted 3rd overall it doesn't hit the same, but that's as relevant as whether or not they had the same breakfast the day of their draft IMO.

Suzuki is a bad comparison so Dach both stylistically and in terms of career trajectory.

Suzuki never had criticisms of being a lanky and physically ineffective player, he’s also never been charged with severe underproduction.

Kotkaniemi and Dach are much more alike than any other comparable I can think of… except in Dach’s case he played with Patrick Kane and couldn’t hit 40 points, whereas Kotkaniemi was never given a similarly good line partner.

It’s not just my inherent pessimism speaking, I still follow Kotkaniemi and am curious about his trajectory. Until one pulls out of their strangely bad but not yet Bust career trajectory, I’ll follow both players and hope they both thrive.

He put up 26 points in 70 games last year with Chicago, that's around 30 prorated to a full season.

The point made here is that even if he doesn't progress like at all it would still be a decent deal!

That’s a bad deal. He cannot play defence and is non-physical to a fault. A very bad third line option if he’s to stagnate and not improve.

 

[Kaiden Ghoul]

So were Galchenyuk and Kohtkaniemi. We haven’t had a lot of luck with third overalls. Lol

Dach is the last 3rd oa on that team , but bot drsfted by us, maybe the curse is finally over, hell all the malediction are gone maybe with Hugo

 

[Belial]

That’s a bad deal. He cannot play defence and is non-physical to a fault. A very bad third line option if he’s to stagnate and not improve.

Come on man... That's like the worst possible outcome I presented there...

And you say he's a bad defensive forward while he was used on the PK in Chicago.

Might I say you don't know what you're talking about?