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Player Discussion Kirby Dach (Part 3): TabarDach Edition!

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I'll admit I did not like his game as much since the team started slumping. Stopped doing some of the things he had been doing in terms of zone entries, forcing his game instead of waiting and going to the net.
 
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Habs said:
it was SUS when that failure of a rebuild in Chicago wanted him gone ... why would they let a stud C go?
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I wouldn't put much stock into Chicago trading him, Davidson is a clown who has no idea what he's doing.

He let a 24 year old Dylan Strome go for literally nothing, he's a 6'3" centre averaging a point per game this year. He also traded a 23 year old Brandon Hagel for later first round picks who will likely never be close to as good as Hagel.

Because of their shitty rebuild and not keeping any respectable players around, their franchise player has been stuck playing with guys like Nick Foligno, Ilya Mihkeyev and something called Landon Slaggert this year.
 
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OneSharpMarble said:
Chicago is just so well run, if only the habs could see the future like them. How can we trade guys like strome and Hagel away?
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I believe we are better off with Romanov, so Kent can also make some really poor moves at times with his decisions. Also I'm certain they were going all in for the Bedard tank and let it all hang out in Chicago and yes it has backfired.

OldCraig71 said:
Did he play much at center for the Hawks?
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I'm not entirely sure, but he wasn't exactly trending for stardom there either when we landed him
 
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OldCraig71 said:
If he was effective in that role in Chicago, we aren't seeing it here. It also begs the question(I have asked this before) of why the Hawks would be willing to trade a young center when entering their rebuild.
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Legitimate criticisms of Dach aside, I find that a
weak question as by that logic no good young players would ever be traded under any set of circumstances. That is clearly not the case. Many great young players have been traded, e.g.

Romanov
Sergachev
McDonagh

;-)

But also Jacub Voracek, Filip Forsberg, Milan Michalek, Brayden Schenn, Nick Leddy, Nino Niecerreiter, and Tyler Seguin.
 
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DAChampion said:
Legitimate criticisms of Dach aside, I find that a
weak question as by that logic no good young players would ever be traded under any set of circumstances. That is clearly not the case. Many great young players have been traded, e.g.

Romanov
Sergachev
McDonagh

;-)

But also Jacub Voracek, Filip Forsberg, Milan Michalek, Brayden Schenn, Nick Leddy, Nino Niecerreiter, and Tyler Seguin.
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Yeah, we have traded some good young players which didn't turn out to be the best decisions but we haven't been quite as lucky with the returns we got for those players. Dach, Gomez, and Drouin holy crap that is bad.
 
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OldCraig71 said:
If he was effective in that role in Chicago, we aren't seeing it here. It also begs the question(I have asked this before) of why the Hawks would be willing to trade a young center when entering their rebuild.
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The Hawks traded him because they badly mismanaged his wrist injury and there was bad blood on both sides. He’s played well for us when healthy but has a fluke injury derail him last year. This was no more predictable than Heineman getting hit by a car.
 
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OldCraig71 said:
Dach is the Drouin at center V2, it didn't work then and it isn't working now.
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Completely disagree.

But health has screwed things up.

As for this new injury, I haven’t seen anything credible on it. I really hope that it’s not the same knee.

Regardless, I totally agree that we need to get some depth top six players for next year.
 
Lafleurs Guy said:
The Hawks traded him because they badly mismanaged his wrist injury and there was bad blood on both sides. He’s played well for us when healthy but has a fluke injury derail him last year. This was no more predictable than Heineman getting hit by a car.
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There isn't much consistency to his game, certainly not enough to be second fiddle to Suzuki and we need much more if we are going to take steps forward next year. Beck is playing with his linemates tonight but he is very inexperienced but it is good to see the Habs giving him a shot there.
 
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There isn't much consistency to his game, certainly not enough to be second fiddle to Suzuki and we need much more if we are going to take steps forward next year. Beck is playing with his linemates tonight but he is very inexperienced but it is good to see the Habs giving him a shot there.
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When healthy he’s played well. The problem is he hasn’t been able to stay healthy.

And it’s a shame because he’d be a beast for us. 6’4, he’s been driving the net… he’d be great. But he keeps getting hurt.

So, like o said, go out and get some depth. We need more guys who can take on that role.
 
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Lafleurs Guy said:
When healthy he’s played well. The problem is he hasn’t been able to stay healthy.

And it’s a shame because he’d be a beast for us. 6’4, he’s been driving the net… he’d be great. But he keeps getting hurt.

So, like o said, go out and get some depth. We need more guys who can take on that role.
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I would rather see him on the wing because the defensive aspect of the game is not his strength.
 
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He might end up as a 3rd liner with some of Beck, Newhook and Heineman. Not the end of the world

Hopefully the 2C spot get figured out some way or another with Hage, maybe Demidov, or even Beck or through a trade
 
Leon Lucius Black said:
I wouldn't put much stock into Chicago trading him, Davidson is a clown who has no idea what he's doing.

He let a 24 year old Dylan Strome go for literally nothing, he's a 6'3" centre averaging a point per game this year. He also traded a 23 year old Brandon Hagel for later first round picks who will likely never be close to as good as Hagel.

Because of their shitty rebuild and not keeping any respectable players around, their franchise player has been stuck playing with guys like Nick Foligno, Ilya Mihkeyev and something called Landon Slaggert this year.
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Such revisionist history

Everybody and there mother thought Tampa overpaid for Hagel
Strome was let go because they didn’t want to pay/ commit to him and went ll in on the tank.
Nazar right now is already better than Dach.
Bédard now also has Donato and Tevo.
Their is plenty flexibility to fix their team pretty quickly.

Accept we got swindled and bought high on dach.
 
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I was high on him in the draft, I think he showed flashes of being able to be the best player on the team but since the season starter he seem to have lost a lot of swag… with is current value I think we are better of being patient and Hope he is able to bounce back even if he doesn’t live up to expectation he is a NHL player.
 
salbutera said:
Chi was selling anything they could to increase their odds to land Bedard
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I think this is the true reason. It's not like the hawks knew he was going to be this bad. That said, they probably thought he had a 2C ceiling at best but most likely a middling 2/3 liner, and that was something they were willing to gamble in order to land Bedard.
 
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