Kingston Frontenacs 2024 25 Season Thread Part Iii

[ScoutLife4]

I'd say Mann wants to justify some of the trades and keep giving minutes to get these players rolling hopefully / finally.

Can someone who knows technicalities about players cards answer this? #10 is still playing with a cage and is a student at SAC finishing up grade 12 and is committed to Penn State, his dad was captain at Colgate?

My season ticket holder friend said he won't be on the Fronts next year and will pursue education.
Anyone know?

Dervin is playing OHL next season in Kingston.

I can also say Dervin wanted to be here the moment the NCAA rule changed full time but his parents had already paid his tuition and wanted him to finish out the year there.

He has to wear his age until next season when they upgrade his card to my understanding.

 

[Logosarejusttargets]

Dervin is playing OHL next season in Kingston.

I can also say Dervin wanted to be here the moment the NCAA rule changed full time but his parents had already paid his tuition and wanted him to finish out the year there.

He has to wear his age until next season when they upgrade his card to my understanding.

I’ve been told the same thing about him being back next year. He will have an opportunity to be a key contributor

 

[leafs4life94]

No lineups changes for Kingston.

For Barrie - Hillebrandt back in for Hrebik, couple lineup changes including 16 year old Kingston kid Jonah McCormick in the lineup.

 

[frontsfan67]

No lineups changes for Kingston.

For Barrie - Hillebrandt back in for Hrebik, couple lineup changes including 16 year old Kingston kid Jonah McCormick in the lineup.

Hope the pickell guys chant Hillebrandt all game long

 

[frontsfan67]

I’ve been told the same thing about him being back next year. He will have an opportunity to be a key contributor

He will be 2C behind Hopkins playing top 6 mins and likely first powerplay(one of the 2 take those draws)

Made perfect sense always for him returning next year as his NCAA commitment is for 2026/27 so that’s the season after next season. Play bottom 6 wherever this year on a great team and when guys age out he gets more playing time (especially with an NHL rookie camp and probably tournament under his belt come next season starting in kingston)

 

[beastintheeast]

okay Who defecated inteh proverbial bed.

Man where has this team been. Awesome game. It lokks to me like the senior players ont he team decided to take charge of things. About time.

this is going ot be an interesting next game.

Can the Fronts keep their foot on the gas in Barrie

How does Barrie react to getting spanked?

It definitley would be nice to see the Fronts get to the next round you guys deserve it for putting up with the bad years.

Unless mom and dad value education over hockey I think Dervin will be back for 1 year. That should help fill a need.

I didn;t before and still donot think this team will be a bad as some people think. The question is ging to be the trade deadline and how Cooper goes through it. Does he sell or stay status quo and sell the year after.

Your rookies that you drafted and maybe some returning layers are goingtohave abig sayin that.

Are there any NCAA players on the fronts radar.

 

[leafs4life94]

HOW ABOUT THIS f***ING TEAM!!!!!

It's games like this that make me struggle to understand how they lost the first two games. That was domination up and down.

 

[frontsfan67]

HOW ABOUT THIS f***ING TEAM!!!!!

It's games like this that make me struggle to understand how they lost the first two games. That was domination up and down.

What a game. Maybe the best one I’ve seen at Slush Puppie Place/whatever other name they’ve had in past. Place was ELECTRIC

They had 40+ shots the first 2 games. Biggest thing in my opinion were the rebound chances. Barrie clearly was trying to put away those second and third chances on the play. Now fronts know a lot of what they do is shoot it looking for a rebound and they’ve been better handling that and Schenkel has been better for rebounds.

Also we’re getting some powerplays now.

 

[leafs4life94]

I was in the washroom when the said the names of all the picks that were there - which picks weren't?

The one guy that I wasn't sure if he'd be there, but I did specifically hear his name, was Nolan Snyder. Know nothing about him but strictly based off his numbers seems like he could be a contributor

 

[panarinsbread2]

With the possibility of the OA rule turning to 4 players next year who would you guys like to see the fronts keep?

 

[zaluty]

The 3 other Americans were not there. Ray croft, Vellucci and the player from Chicago.

 

[leafs4life94]

With the possibility of the OA rule turning to 4 players next year who would you guys like to see the fronts keep?

I think it depends on what they get offered in the off season for some of the extra OAs. Hay, Bishop and McGowan would likely have the highest value - whether they try and wait until the deadline to get a potentially higher return I'm not sure. With the extra OA slot I think there's a much higher chance they run with Vaccari/Betts next year.

If I had to guess I'd say they start the year with McGowan, Uens, Soto and Vaccari. There's a also a chance they run with 5 before the November cutoff and have Vaccari scratched when Betts starts - if they do that I think it's either Miedema or Hay that sticks around.

 

[frontsfan67]

With the possibility of the OA rule turning to 4 players next year who would you guys like to see the fronts keep?

If they go with 4 I assume vaccari stays as a backup for Betts or a 1a/1b situation for sure and that way they don’t need to trade for someone

Guys like Pickell, uens and probably bishop would be the OA’s as their value wouldn’t be as much as guys like Hay, Soto, Miedema, McGowan coming back.

 

[frontsfan67]

The 3 other Americans were not there. Ray croft, Vellucci and the player from Chicago.

Brutal. They probably figure we only have limited spots as it is anyways

My question for someone on here that knows more than me is- and I think it’s a bit of a stupid one but I’ll ask anyways… if we have our 2 first round picks does that mean we can have 2 other guys from rounds 2-15 or does that mean we can have still the 3 others like normal if we had the 1 1st?

 

[ZYXWVUT]

The 3 other Americans were not there. Ray croft, Vellucci and the player from Chicago.

Was the Snyder kid confirmed as being there? Would be a surprise, given that's a huge haul from Pittsburgh for one night..

 

[zaluty]

He was there. Introduced to the crowd in the 3rd period with everyone else

 

[JRE]

Nice work kingston.. Oshawa fan here I'm am happy you guys have tied up series and it was great to see a great crowd last nite.. you guys deserve this

 

[ScoutLife4]

That was the best crowd I’ve ever seen in that building in the 6 years I’ve been scouting.
It’s actually insane how things have turned around in Kingston since the coaching change.
Players are reporting, NHL teams want their prospects there and the on ice product has greatly improved with the structure Troy has implemented.
I think last nights game will come as a very big eye opener for the Springers and what they have been missing out on for several years running a low budget operation with inexperienced personnel.
If this Kingston team can somehow knock Barrie off they definitely can surprise some people in a conference final.
I don’t think they have a chicken dicks chance against London if they were to make it that far but making a conference final or OHL Final would be a very good accomplishment for this group in my opinion.

 

[frontsfan67]

That was the best crowd I’ve ever seen in that building in the 6 years I’ve been scouting.
It’s actually insane how things have turned around in Kingston since the coaching change.
Players are reporting, NHL teams want their prospects there and the on ice product has greatly improved with the structure Troy has implemented.
I think last nights game will come as a very big eye opener for the Springers and what they have been missing out on for several years running a low budget operation with inexperienced personnel.

Absolutely. Hopefully no more days of Fosters and Caputis

If this Kingston team can somehow knock Barrie off they definitely can surprise some people in a conference final.
I don’t think they have a chicken dicks chance against London if they were to make it that far but making a conference final or OHL Final would be a very good accomplishment for this group in my opinion.

if they made the finals and got the gentleman’s sweep (4-1) I’d even be happy with that. Just do something for once. If we were to lose in the OHL finals to the eventual memorial cup champs I won’t feel as bad rather than going out second/third round. Just getting that far would feel like a championship for a kingston franchise that has made it to the 3rd round 2 or 3 times in 50+ years

 

[beastintheeast]

Kingston has always been the city of winners as far as fan attendance is conerned. If you don't have a winning team with star power and show it to the fans they are not going to waste (in their minds) their money.

It was the same at the M Center and teh same with the Canadians and even the Aces.

The season and timing are just right. The walk to the car or arena frmt eh car is not too cold. There is really nothig else going on in the city and people are looking to get out.

The fact that the next game is on Easer Sunday maynot be ideal but there still should be a good crowd.

The fronts front office needs to make the most of it. Have some easter egg stuf for the kids with a prize of either tickets to the next game or to the opening season next year.

Get the fans involved along with a great on ice product so that people are talking about what will be next year.

 

[beastintheeast]

The 3 other Americans were not there. Ray croft, Vellucci and the player from Chicago.

Players in the bottom of the draft will not be interested unless there is a development camp they need to attend. Let's face it most of those kids will not make the team next year and they know it. What they are waiting for is teh USHL draft in May. Signings will be more limited at that level. Also we do not kow who is getting invited to the NDtpcamp and for a lot of American kids tht is the camp to go to

If they go with 4 I assume vaccari stays as a backup for Betts or a 1a/1b situation for sure and that way they don’t need to trade for someone

Guys like Pickell, uens and probably bishop would be the OA’s as their value wouldn’t be as much as guys like Hay, Soto, Miedema, McGowan coming back.

OA in the fight to make the team next year are Miedema, Hay MCGowan Bishop and Vaccari.

With Bishop and McGowan do you really think Uen is more important

Soto would in mymind only count as you are weak at RW

No one is going to trade for Miedema before NHL trainiing camps open I alsodonot see a huge demand for him or anyone else on the team. There are not teams that are looking for OA most already have their full compliment. Only 2 teams next yer willstart is less than 3 OA.

 

[frontsfan67]

OA in the fight to make the team next year are Miedema, Hay MCGowan Bishop and Vaccari.

With Bishop and McGowan do you really think Uen is more important

Soto would in mymind only count as you are weak at RW

No one is going to trade for Miedema before NHL trainiing camps open I alsodonot see a huge demand for him or anyone else on the team. There are not teams that are looking for OA most already have their full compliment. Only 2 teams next yer willstart is less than 3 OA.

Whole point is with our inevitable tear down next year- I see McGowan, Miedema, Soto traded for sure, Hay probably too as the coaches obviously think he’s very valuable based off coaches poll so he likely gets traded but I’d welcome him back for sure. If he’s back I’ll pick him or Hopkins as the captain. Perhaps he’s captain to start and if/when he gets moved Hopkins takes over around deadline.

With guys like bishop who are good but not exactly GREAT. Not sure if someone goes out of their way to trade for him unless it’s part of a package deal(especially as an OA)

All 19 other teams would be interested in McGowan and Hay for sure. A team like London/Kitchener would probably be interested in Miedema and a change in scenery could be all he needs to get going again. Some teams with scoring trouble may take a chance on Soto to be in their top 6- definitely think his time in kingston is done from some things I’ve heard during the year about him. In off season he should be gone for sure- went from 1st/2nd line mins all the way down to apparently 6 mins per game clearly Mann isn’t a fan. (Hey that rhymes)

Reason why I think vaccari stays with 4 OA they don’t have to trade for a 06/07 to play 20/30 games prob with Betts. Also glue guy.

Pickell- good reg season, fans LOVE him, players LOVE him (from what I’ve seen) and he’s not as skilled as a guy like Miedema/soto so he probably is worth more to Kingston than to another team. Glue guy

Uens- Kingston area boy, leader, blocks shots, players and most fans LOVE how he puts the body on the line- not good enough to be an OA on a contending team so therefore more value to Kingston than to another team. Glue guy.

Bishop- not good enough to be an OA on a contending team (unless he improves a lot)and Kingston will have a bunch of d better than him graduating or likely getting traded because of more value (McGowan). Seems like a quieter guy but not a bad thing- probably doesn’t have too many enemies in locker room for it.

With how bad the fronts COULD end up being next year they’ll need some vets there on the team to pick up the rookies and other players when the going gets tough. Look at Pete’s before they added Gavin bryant(0 leadership in locker room) the fronts aren’t going to try and be like that.

 

[beastintheeast]

Whole point is with our inevitable tear down next year- I see McGowan, Miedema, Soto traded for sure, Hay probably too as the coaches obviously think he’s very valuable based off coaches poll so he likely gets traded but I’d welcome him back for sure. If he’s back I’ll pick him or Hopkins as the captain. Perhaps he’s captain to start and if/when he gets moved Hopkins takes over around deadline.

With guys like bishop who are good but not exactly GREAT. Not sure if someone goes out of their way to trade for him unless it’s part of a package deal(especially as an OA)

All 19 other teams would be interested in McGowan and Hay for sure. A team like London/Kitchener would probably be interested in Miedema and a change in scenery could be all he needs to get going again. Some teams with scoring trouble may take a chance on Soto to be in their top 6- definitely think his time in kingston is done from some things I’ve heard during the year about him. In off season he should be gone for sure- went from 1st/2nd line mins all the way down to apparently 6 mins per game clearly Mann isn’t a fan. (Hey that rhymes)

Reason why I think vaccari stays with 4 OA they don’t have to trade for a 06/07 to play 20/30 games prob with Betts. Also glue guy.

Pickell- good reg season, fans LOVE him, players LOVE him (from what I’ve seen) and he’s not as skilled as a guy like Miedema/soto so he probably is worth more to Kingston than to another team. Glue guy

Uens- Kingston area boy, leader, blocks shots, players and most fans LOVE how he puts the body on the line- not good enough to be an OA on a contending team so therefore more value to Kingston than to another team. Glue guy.

Bishop- not good enough to be an OA on a contending team (unless he improves a lot)and Kingston will have a bunch of d better than him graduating or likely getting traded because of more value (McGowan). Seems like a quieter guy but not a bad thing- probably doesn’t have too many enemies in locker room for it.

With how bad the fronts COULD end up being next year they’ll need some vets there on the team to pick up the rookies and other players when the going gets tough. Look at Pete’s before they added Gavin bryant(0 leadership in locker room) the fronts aren’t going to try and be like that.

The problem that you are missing is that most teams in the OHL do not need OA players nor have the room for them.

This year is going to be the same as last year there is going to be little room for OA players.

Just because you think they may have vallue doesnot mean anyone wants them.
Kingston needs to keep the best OA players they have You need to look at who do you keep forgetting about trades.

Teams that have 5 OA are not going to want more. Teams are going to be looking to keep theirs and organize.

McGowan is a good plaeyr but is he the best most teams have OA defence.

I think you are better off getting what you can or letting others go but keeping the best and seeing what is avialable. I actually think the way the league looks you guys will be competitive.

Let's see what happens but just because you think a personhas value does not mean that anyne wants them.

 

[dirty12]

The problem that you are missing is that most teams in the OHL do not need OA players nor have the room for them.

This year is going to be the same as last year there is going to be little room for OA players.

Just because you think they may have vallue doesnot mean anyone wants them.
Kingston needs to keep the best OA players they have You need to look at who do you keep forgetting about trades.

Teams that have 5 OA are not going to want more. Teams are going to be looking to keep theirs and organize.

McGowan is a good plaeyr but is he the best most teams have OA defence.

I think you are better off getting what you can or letting others go but keeping the best and seeing what is avialable. I actually think the way the league looks you guys will be competitive.

Let's see what happens but just because you think a personhas value does not mean that anyne wants them.

We will need to see how many of McCue, Clattenburg, Pridham, Kennedy, Misa, MacDonell, Harding, Terrance, Akey, Bertucci, Romani, … go the AHL or NCAA. I am not sure if there will be enough good OAs for all teams to have three never mind four, even if teams use imports as OAs. I think London, Guelph, Peterborough, NB, OS do not have three potential OAs right now.

 

[beastintheeast]

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We will need to see how many of McCue, Clattenburg, Pridham, Kennedy, Misa, MacDonell, Harding, … go the AHL or NCAA. I am not sure if there will be enough good OAs for all teams to have three never mind four, even if teams use imports as OAs. I think London, Guelph, Peterborough, NB, OS do not have three potential OAs right now.

The point is that teams are not going to be in a rush off seson to trade for OA players when there are so many in the morket.

Do you really think that London would want any of Kingstons OA or for that matter any of these teams. London will be in a rebuild Peterborough is looking for impact players Guelph have 4 OA NB has a prettuy good returning cast

My point is to say that the team is going to trade Miedema McGaowan and other playrs before training camp is not viable. None of them really have much value to a building team.

And going into the year with youyr 3rd string OA does not make sense