Kingston Frontenacs 2024-25 Season Thread, Part II

[Logosarejusttargets]

It just so rarely works out spending this many picks on no elite player. Hay is a gamer. KGN fans will like him if they can forget what he cost. Money on draws. Physical. Leader. Not much offense to him though. only 13 points this yr on a team that plays offensive/fast. -19 isn't great either.

Bishop I've never been very impressed by. He's big & definitely takes away space which is nice, but he's really inconsistent for playing mean/physical for his size & he's not great with the puck. Playing sheltered I think he'll do fine, but if you put him out there against OSH/BRNT/BAR/LDN/WSR top-6 guys he'll get exposed.

Willis is good. Does a bit of everything. Also a gamer. My worry. he scored 13 goals in 1 week this year. the other 21 games he only has 4 goals. Also that almost all his goals came off assists by Misa or Parekh. He isn't a guy who generates by himself or can drive a line.

I'm pretty dumbfounded by the cost for these 3. I would've laughed them off the phone if they asked for 16 picks & 3 young guys, even if they don't look to be overly promising. Would've been MUCH better spent on Musty/Pinelli/McCue/Smith etc.

I’ll always favour getting players that can play a role and can actually be attained. Obviously that amount of picks and combinations of players wasn’t going to yield McCue, Musty etc… as a long time Kingston sth im ok with the cost because as I’ve said in other posts - picks are just vapourware- ideas that can end up being nothing more than a nice idea. Some kid playing u14 in Whitby that is projected to be a 2nd round Ohl pick is as helpful as Cam Bergeron who was actually drafted but quit hockey the next season, not very valuable. Picks can be recouped in the offseason- players that can contribute now is what matters.

 

[leafs4life94]

I really thought the 15 picks thing was gonna be hyperbole...

4 2s, 6 3s, 2 4s, 2 5s and a 6/7.

All I can say is hopefully this works out...

They now will be losing a minimum of 13 players (12 if McNamara is traded). Has there ever been a team with that many graduates?

 

[Logosarejusttargets]

I really thought the 15 picks thing was gonna be hyperbole...

4 2s, 6 3s, 2 4s, 2 5s and a 6/7.

All I can say is hopefully this works out...

They now will be losing a minimum of 13 players (12 if McNamara is traded). Has there ever been a team with that many graduates?

#29 has moved out of billet house- he’s gone

 

[dirty12]

It just so rarely works out spending this many picks on no elite player. Hay is a gamer. KGN fans will like him if they can forget what he cost. Money on draws. Physical. Leader. Not much offense to him though. only 13 points this yr on a team that plays offensive/fast. -19 isn't great either.

Bishop I've never been very impressed by. He's big & definitely takes away space which is nice, but he's really inconsistent for playing mean/physical for his size & he's not great with the puck. Playing sheltered I think he'll do fine, but if you put him out there against OSH/BRNT/BAR/LDN/WSR top-6 guys he'll get exposed.

Willis is good. Does a bit of everything. Also a gamer. My worry. he scored 13 goals in 1 week this year. the other 21 games he only has 4 goals. Also that almost all his goals came off assists by Misa or Parekh. He isn't a guy who generates by himself or can drive a line.

I'm pretty dumbfounded by the cost for these 3. I would've laughed them off the phone if they asked for 16 picks & 3 young guys, even if they don't look to be overly promising. Would've been MUCH better spent on Musty/Pinelli/McCue/Smith etc.

Kingston almost certainly made an attempt to spend picks on Musty/Pinelli/McCue etc

 

[OMG67]

I really thought the 15 picks thing was gonna be hyperbole...

4 2s, 6 3s, 2 4s, 2 5s and a 6/7.

All I can say is hopefully this works out...

They now will be losing a minimum of 13 players (12 if McNamara is traded). Has there ever been a team with that many graduates?

The last time I remember 15 picks being traded was Ottawa two years ago to acquire Mintyukov and Morrison. No players traded though.

 

[leafs4life94]

The last time I remember 15 picks being traded was Ottawa two years ago to acquire Mintyukov and Morrison. No players traded though.

And both those guys were probably more impactful than Willis/Hay/Bishop will be.

I love that they're finally going in but jeez I can't help be concerned at the cost.

Hopefully they get a couple decent picks for McNamara and then look at a goalie upgrade.

 

[frontsfan67]

Going through who could be back and will be back for the 19 year olds (not even including Battaglia who inevitably gets traded next year.

Could be off with these pick predictions. If someone such as @OMG67, @OHL4Life, @ScoutLife4, or @FrontalLobe could go through and validate these I would appreciate that.

Miedema* STAR Chance of being back but I think gets signed by end of season:
Trade package: 2nd, 3rd, 4th

Soto STAR will be back
:2nd,3rd,4th

Pickell MID6 will be back
:Mid round pick

McGowan TOP4 will be back
:Mid rounder and late round?

Uens if he doesn’t go NCAA will be back(smart)
:Worth nothing

Bishop TOP4 will be back
:3rd, 4th?

Hay TOP6 may be back(unsigned)
:2nd, 3rd, mid round?

Willis STAR likely won’t be back but isn’t signed yet
: 2x 2nd, 2x 3rd

Vaccari BUG will be back
: Mid round pick

 

[Newbie Observer]

However, you got three guys who have championship rings that goes a long way in playoffs when things get tough. Doesnt mean you are going to win it, but cant be half in. The amount of 05's with experience is huge. Maybe not looking for goal scoring but a 2nd line to shut down other top lines and allow goal scorers to score. If up against London, can they shut down Cowen and go head to head with other lines?

 

[OHL4Life]

Going through who could be back and will be back for the 19 year olds (not even including Battaglia who inevitably gets traded next year.

Could be off with these pick predictions. If someone such as @OMG67, @OHL4Life, @ScoutLife4, or @FrontalLobe could go through and validate these I would appreciate that.

Miedema* STAR Chance of being back but I think gets signed by end of season:
Trade package: 2nd, 3rd, 4th

Soto STAR will be back
:2nd,3rd,4th

Pickell MID6 will be back
:Mid round pick

McGowan TOP4 will be back
:Mid rounder and late round?

Uens if he doesn’t go NCAA will be back(smart)
:Worth nothing

Bishop TOP4 will be back
:3rd, 4th?

Hay TOP6 may be back(unsigned)
:2nd, 3rd, mid round?

Willis STAR likely won’t be back but isn’t signed yet
: 2x 2nd, 2x 3rd

Vaccari BUG will be back
: Mid round pick

thats not bad, i woudlnt be surprised if some of those guys are actually worth more.

but, and im sure you wont argue, just becaue you can recoup pics doesnt mean you trade everything you have for depth players.

 

[OMG67]

And both those guys were probably more impactful than Willis/Hay/Bishop will be.

I love that they're finally going in but jeez I can't help be concerned at the cost.

Hopefully they get a couple decent picks for McNamara and then look at a goalie upgrade.

I think the players added are a good fit for Kingston. I have no issues with the actual players. Even if the draft picks seem heavy, it is not like they were all premium picks. Is it an overpay? Absolutely. But, it is hard to make deals with jsut draft picks these days. Weir and Velliaris are both not really worth much so this really is a picks deal. Would it look better if the picks were four 2nds and six 3rds? Sure. But, adding two 4ths, two 5th, a 6th and a 7th isn’t really adding that much more. Nine of the picks were 2027 and 2028 picks so worth less than the 2025 and 2026 picks. Again, not ideal but moving only one 2025 pick and getting all of that requires the extra picks.

 

[OHL4Life]

I think the players added are a good fit for Kingston. I have no issues with the actual players. Even if the draft picks seem heavy, it is not like they were all premium picks. Is it an overpay? Absolutely. But, it is hard to make deals with jsut draft picks these days. Weir and Velliaris are both not really worth much so this really is a picks deal. Would it look better if the picks were four 2nds and six 3rds? Sure. But, adding two 4ths, two 5th, a 6th and a 7th isn’t really adding that much more. Nine of the picks were 2027 and 2028 picks so worth less than the 2025 and 2026 picks. Again, not ideal but moving only one 2025 pick and getting all of that requires the extra picks.

again, the problem with drafting malholta, is you now have to overpay. and its not like you got 8 picks for malholta.

 

[OMG67]

again, the problem with drafting malholta again, is you now have to overpay. and its not like you got 8 picks for malholta.

We’ve exhausted that discussion back in September. That is a given. Kingston handcuffed themselves into this situation with ZERO doubt. Tack on not trading Ludwinski for a skater that could help this year and additional picks is another mistake. Maybe even trading for Dubois and eating those picks was also a mistake.

The reality is, Cooper is a young GM and you get what you pay for. You want to play that game, you end up paying some other way.

 

[OHL4Life]

We’ve exhausted that discussion back in September. That is a given. Kingston handcuffed themselves into this situation with ZERO doubt. Tack on not trading Ludwinski for a skater that could help this year and additional picks is another mistake. Maybe even trading for Dubois and eating those picks was also a mistake.

The reality is, Cooper is a young GM and you get what you pay for. You want to play that game, you end up paying some other way.

that and the 07s having very little interest, had they had better 07s, then they would have payed less.

 

[OMG67]

that and the 07s having very little interest, had they had better 07s, then they would have payed less.

Goes hand in hand with pinching pennies. Poor drafting.

 

[OHL4Life]

Goes hand in hand with pinching pennies. Poor drafting.

for sure

 

[leafs4life94]

I think the players added are a good fit for Kingston. I have no issues with the actual players. Even if the draft picks seem heavy, it is not like they were all premium picks. Is it an overpay? Absolutely. But, it is hard to make deals with jsut draft picks these days. Weir and Velliaris are both not really worth much so this really is a picks deal. Would it look better if the picks were four 2nds and six 3rds? Sure. But, adding two 4ths, two 5th, a 6th and a 7th isn’t really adding that much more. Nine of the picks were 2027 and 2028 picks so worth less than the 2025 and 2026 picks. Again, not ideal but moving only one 2025 pick and getting all of that requires the extra picks.

Yeah I have no issues with players at all - it's not the elite talent I'd hoped but need wise it's really good - top 6 offensive winger, shutdown defensive centre and second pair RD. It's just the price that feels steep.

 

[frontsfan67]

thats not bad, i woudlnt be surprised if some of those guys are actually worth more.

Awesome

but, and im sure you wont argue, just becaue you can recoup pics doesnt mean you trade everything you have for depth players.

Absolutely. Im sure they trade the guys of real value and leave the ones like uens, maybe Ben pickell that would probably be more valuable to the fronts next year rather than moving them to another team

Going to suck next year but I’m okay with bottoming out with the lottery thing if we finish 3rd or 4th we still have a chance at #1 or even #2.

However, you got three guys who have championship rings that goes a long way in playoffs when things get tough. Doesnt mean you are going to win it, but cant be half in. The amount of 05's with experience is huge. Maybe not looking for goal scoring but a 2nd line to shut down other top lines and allow goal scorers to score. If up against London, can they shut down Cowen and go head to head with other lines?

I agree. Been saying this the whole time. With the makeup of the team they can’t be a team that just sits around twiddling their fingers at the deadline. Have to be either in or out.

 

[frontsfan67]

that and the 07s having very little interest, had they had better 07s, then they would have payed less.

Absolutely. Hopkins had to stay and Dervin I’m sure wouldn’t have reported elsewhere. Just mainly coming for a year next year full time (and playoffs here and odd game here and there) before going to the ncaa

Dervin would’ve been worth a bit I’m sure but again- can’t trade

 

[leafs4life94]

I do have to say this is probably the only time where almost every other board is talking about Kingston hahaha

On a real note - it sounds like Manza will be reporting to Sarnia. I'll be very curious to see how he does in the OHL.

 

[leafs4life94]

Going through who could be back and will be back for the 19 year olds (not even including Battaglia who inevitably gets traded next year.

Could be off with these pick predictions. If someone such as @OMG67, @OHL4Life, @ScoutLife4, or @FrontalLobe could go through and validate these I would appreciate that.

Miedema* STAR Chance of being back but I think gets signed by end of season:
Trade package: 2nd, 3rd, 4th

Soto STAR will be back
:2nd,3rd,4th

Pickell MID6 will be back
:Mid round pick

McGowan TOP4 will be back
:Mid rounder and late round?

Uens if he doesn’t go NCAA will be back(smart)
:Worth nothing

Bishop TOP4 will be back
:3rd, 4th?

Hay TOP6 may be back(unsigned)
:2nd, 3rd, mid round?

Willis STAR likely won’t be back but isn’t signed yet
: 2x 2nd, 2x 3rd

Vaccari BUG will be back
: Mid round pick

I'm wondering if they go for players in some of the OA trades only because as of right now they have 9 forwards, 3 defensemen and one goalie signed for next year. Adding 3 OAs, 2 imports (hopefully) and at least the 2 1sts - that's not even a fully dressed team with only 19 players signed.

 

[frontsfan67]

I'm wondering if they go for players in some of the OA trades only because as of right now they have 9 forwards, 3 defensemen and one goalie signed for next year. Adding 3 OAs, 2 imports (hopefully) and at least the 2 1sts - that's not even a fully dressed team with only 19 players signed.

Man it’s gonna be rough next year

Is it too early to start looking at who the first overall pick may be LOL

 

[Logosarejusttargets]

Man it’s gonna be rough next year

Is it too early to start looking at who the first overall pick may be LOL

Battaglia, Hopkins, Dervin, Williamson, Moore, Betts, Kelly, Buttar not including any potential OA’s. Seems ok to me.

 

[frontsfan67]

Battaglia, Hopkins, Dervin, Williamson, Moore, Betts, Kelly, Buttar not including any potential OA’s. Seems ok to me.

Trading Battaglia im sure though.

Betts will have his first full season as a ohler, Moore will be forced into a role that he isn’t ready for yet, Kelly and Buttar will be good but not next year I don’t think

Hopkins and Dervin will be GREAT

 

[Logosarejusttargets]

Trading Battaglia im sure though.

Betts will have his first full season as a ohler, Moore will be forced into a role that he isn’t ready for yet, Kelly and Buttar will be good but not next year I don’t think

Hopkins and Dervin will be GREAT

They have some decent kids they’ve drafted past 2 seasons to help fill out plus they have intention on 2 import players that will be impactful. Id rather they take a shot than sit by and live with would/could/should haves. Oshawa and or Barrie will be eliminated at some point too, and no guarantees for next year either -

 

[zaluty]

Plus 2 imports. Possibly the Uronen twins