Kingston Frontenacs 2024-25 Season Thread, Part I

[ScoutLife4]

Zero chance Pie gets moved.
Only here because Troy had his brother send him here because he knew there was massive holes in the back end.
+ Part of the arrangement was having Uronen with him to make him comfortable away from home.

 

[frontsfan67]

With all of the talk on the Oshawa board being about Kingston I think we should all start talking on here lol.

I don’t expect kingston to make a bunch of moves but one I’d like is Allard from the Soo. They should be able to get him for Heyes, Velliaris and picks.

Put Allard top Line as the centre, get rid of Heyes (but he should find a spot on some other team- he’s proven he can be flexible this year and is always amazing on PK)

Allard will help with the loss of Heyes on the PK, he is a top line centre- not the same tier as some guys like Ritchie, Cowan, Wakely etc in the league but probably a tier 2 guy like the Luke Misa’s, Pano Fimis’s of the league. He has an A on his jersey so that implies he is a capable leader (as Heyes is) Also he is a lot more talented than Heyes so that’ll help.

I wonder if this would work for a trade. FYI SSM is without their 5th in 2025, 3rd in 2026, 2nd in 2027

To Kingston: Owen Allard

To SSM: Gage Heyes, Xander Velliaris(reunite the 2 brothers? Lol) BRA 5th 2025, FLNT 2nd 2026, KGN 3rd 2027, FLNT 3rd 2028

 

[OMG67]

With all of the talk on the Oshawa board being about Kingston I think we should all start talking on here lol.

I don’t expect kingston to make a bunch of moves but one I’d like is Allard from the Soo. They should be able to get him for Heyes, Velliaris and picks.

Put Allard top Line as the centre, get rid of Heyes (but he should find a spot on some other team- he’s proven he can be flexible this year and is always amazing on PK)

Allard will help with the loss of Heyes on the PK, he is a top line centre- not the same tier as some guys like Ritchie, Cowan, Wakely etc in the league but probably a tier 2 guy like the Luke Misa’s, Pano Fimis’s of the league. He has an A on his jersey so that implies he is a capable leader (as Heyes is) Also he is a lot more talented than Heyes so that’ll help.

I wonder if this would work for a trade. FYI SSM is without their 5th in 2025, 3rd in 2026, 2nd in 2027

To Kingston: Owen Allard

To SSM: Gage Heyes, Xander Velliaris(reunite the 2 brothers? Lol) BRA 5th 2025, FLNT 2nd 2026, KGN 3rd 2027, FLNT 3rd 2028

I think you will get a good amount of competition for Allard, specifically from Brampton.

 

[frontsfan67]

I think you will get a good amount of competition for Allard, specifically from Brampton.

Yeah maybe but didn’t Brampton just pick up Lefebvre? Would they trade Leskovar who is on D for a forward?

 

[frontsfan67]

Uronen is back after missing the last 2 games due to the suspension. He seems to be the missing piece on the powerplay- hopefully we can get that going tonight. it’s been pretty shaky the last 2 games.

I assume we will see a lot of shifts for the top 5 d and the occasional shift for Velliaris

Not sure where Lalonde is? Anyone know if he is hurt or sick? I hope vaccari does well. Betts hasn’t played a game yet but it’s bound to happen at some point- could happen tonight.

 

[dirty12]

With all of the talk on the Oshawa board being about Kingston I think we should all start talking on here lol.

I don’t expect kingston to make a bunch of moves but one I’d like is Allard from the Soo. They should be able to get him for Heyes, Velliaris and picks.

Put Allard top Line as the centre, get rid of Heyes (but he should find a spot on some other team- he’s proven he can be flexible this year and is always amazing on PK)

Allard will help with the loss of Heyes on the PK, he is a top line centre- not the same tier as some guys like Ritchie, Cowan, Wakely etc in the league but probably a tier 2 guy like the Luke Misa’s, Pano Fimis’s of the league. He has an A on his jersey so that implies he is a capable leader (as Heyes is) Also he is a lot more talented than Heyes so that’ll help.

I wonder if this would work for a trade. FYI SSM is without their 5th in 2025, 3rd in 2026, 2nd in 2027

To Kingston: Owen Allard

To SSM: Gage Heyes, Xander Velliaris(reunite the 2 brothers? Lol) BRA 5th 2025, FLNT 2nd 2026, KGN 3rd 2027, FLNT 3rd 2028

Allard/McNamara - Uronen would be line to put out against other’s top line I think

 

[frontsfan67]

Allard/McNamara - Uronen would be line to put out against other’s top line I think

I was thinking more of Hopkins-Allard-Soto for defence and then the scoring line of Battaglia-Guindon-Uronen, Miedema with McNamara and Pickell and from time to time can switch Soto and pickell- keep 4th line the same

L1A Battaglia-Guindon-Uronen
L1B Hopkins-Allard-Soto
L3 Miedema-McNamara-Pickell
L4 Clark Buttar Weir

Extra F Kelly (Or send down so he can get minutes in OJHL and bring up some older forward that is open to coming just for 4th line/13th forward)

 

[OMG67]

Yeah maybe but didn’t Brampton just pick up Lefebvre? Would they trade Leskovar who is on D for a forward?

Why would they keep LeFebvre? They have multiple injuries up front right now and an open OA spot. An 11th for a stop gap solution is much more likely than that being the actual “we’re done” move.

 

[frontsfan67]

Why would they keep LeFebvre? They have multiple injuries up front right now and an open OA spot. An 11th for a stop gap solution is much more likely than that being the actual “we’re done” move.

If they needed bodies that bad would it not just make sense to call up some of their drafted players like every other team does?

I don’t think they’re done obviously it’s November but I don’t think they’ll get rid of Lefebvre after going out and getting him

 

[OMG67]

If they needed bodies that bad would it not just make sense to call up some of their drafted players like every other team does?

It’s an 11th round pick. Who cares? It’s like a free player.

 

[frontsfan67]

It’s an 11th round pick. Who cares? It’s like a free player.

Maybe Lefebvre cares?

Why would he waste his overage year with a team only using him for a roster spot until guys get healthy. Would make more sense just going over to the Q- they probably struck a deal working it out so he has a place to stay for the rest of the year.

 

[OMG67]

Maybe Lefebvre cares?

Why would he waste his overage year with a team only using him for a roster spot until guys get healthy. Would make more sense just going over to the Q- they probably struck a deal working it out so he has a place to stay for the rest of the year.

The Petes waived him two weeks ago. Like other OAs, he’s the odd man out in Peterborough. Better to play in Brampton than eat popcorn in the press box in Peterborough.

 

[frontsfan67]

30 shots to 11 completely dominating Brantford. If not for Leenders this game would not be close.

 

[frontsfan67]

Great game by the fronts. Dominated pretty much start to finish.

If they plan on trading for a top 4 d man- Mitch Young on Sarnia would be a very good one to get. Isn’t NHL drafted either so he could be back next year and we could trade him. Could move Weir, Moore or Velliaris in this trade (with picks)

Could have a defence of

Pieniniemi-Burns

Young-Williamson

McGowan-Uens

Extras: Velliaris, Moore (1 prob gets traded?)

I’d be pretty comfortable with that group. Then add Owen Allard from the soo and I think I’d be very happy with this group. Could add another piece or two after but these would be 2 very good moves.

 

[beastintheeast]

Are you losing Uronen and Pie for 2 months, WJC?

As to trades unless Cooper goes shopping for support players I think he is going t have to wait to see what the crumbs are after all the big guns get finished.

As for Betts, I think he will be like Conway: sit on the bench but not play that way; they save a card.

Still would not be surprised to see Cooper do a bit of a soft sell instead of a soft buy. Time will tell though we really will not know until the New Year when GM's start to haggle for real.

 

[frontsfan67]

Are you losing Uronen and Pie for 2 months, WJC?

Likely losing both yes. Should be about a month I believe Canadas camp usually starts around December and they usually end jan1st-8th depending on how they do.

Finland which is their home country may get sent home early at the start of January rather than a week into it. Weak team this year.

Still would not be surprised to see Cooper do a bit of a soft sell instead of a soft buy. Time will tell though we really will not know until the New Year when GM's start to haggle for real.

I think it’s unlikely they do a soft sell but me personally I would absolutely trade a piece or 2 or even 3(if it means we can an 08)

I would’ve traded Ludwinski last year personally and we didn’t do that. Hopefully we get him back and Cooper proves us all wrong about that.

Still a chance of him coming back believe I read somewhere he has played 13 games and has 1 point in the ahl.

Josh bloom last year had 1 point through 14 games then got sent down to the echl and that didn’t work out for him too well and then finally they decided to send him back down to the OHL. Hopefully the same thing happens with ludwinski and we won’t need to waste picks on other teams pieces

 

[OMG67]

Likely losing both yes. Should be about a month I believe Canadas camp usually starts around December and they usually end jan1st-8th depending on how they do.

Finland which is their home country may get sent home early at the start of January rather than a week into it. Weak team this year.

I think it’s unlikely they do a soft sell but me personally I would absolutely trade a piece or 2 or even 3(if it means we can an 08)

I would’ve traded Ludwinski last year personally and we didn’t do that. Hopefully we get him back and Cooper proves us all wrong about that.

Still a chance of him coming back believe I read somewhere he has played 13 games and has 1 point in the ahl.

Josh bloom last year had 1 point through 14 games then got sent down to the echl and that didn’t work out for him too well and then finally they decided to send him back down to the OHL. Hopefully the same thing happens with ludwinski and we won’t need to waste picks on other teams pieces

There were two big mistakes. First, they needed to draft a player that would report so they had a trade piece. Second, not trading Ludwinski was the nail in the coffin. Then, you could even add a third which was not handling the Frasca/Thibodeau situation in a way that keeps them in Kingston.

Those three situations really handcuffed Kingston. You take two key players out of the roster to start the season and you don’t have the assets to make required moves. I mean, if this was a go for it season then there should have been the foresight to understand you need to build up a war chest if you are going to enter an arms race the following season. Cooper did not do that. In fact, he spend assets last season. You could easily argue that Cooper is in sell mode vs last year! He bought more last year and sold more this year!

 

[ScoutLife4]

There were two big mistakes. First, they needed to draft a player that would report so they had a trade piece. Second, not trading Ludwinski was the nail in the coffin. Then, you could even add a third which was not handling the Frasca/Thibodeau situation in a way that keeps them in Kingston.

Those three situations really handcuffed Kingston. You take two key players out of the roster to start the season and you don’t have the assets to make required moves. I mean, if this was a go for it season then there should have been the foresight to understand you need to build up a war chest if you are going to enter an arms race the following season. Cooper did not do that. In fact, he spend assets last season. You could easily argue that Cooper is in sell mode vs last year! He bought more last year and sold more this year!

You couldn’t be more wrong about Frasca and Thibodeau.
Keeping them IN the dressing room would have been disastrous.
They got rid of a lot of problems moving them and used the picks from Frasca to upgrade their C depth bringing in Guindon.
Plus Thibodeau is an under sized 19 year old that is no where near good enough to come back in his OA year. Has no leadership qualities and a Dad that will make you beat your own head off a wall.

 

[leafs4life94]

Looks like Betts gets the start - won't be able to watch but will be following as best as I can.

From a statwatching perspective Frasca has been a disappointment in Erie this year - only 4 goals and 12 points in 22 games. If he was still on Kingston he'd probably be their 4th best C after Hopkins, Guindon and McNamara. From the one Erie game I saw I barely noticed him on the ice.

I'd gladly take the picks and no locker room issues over that production.

Thibodeau is putting up points as expected but I haven't seen any of Flint so idk if his overall game as improved at all.

 

[beastintheeast]

If Ludwinski comes back, who do you get rid of? I really do not think he will be back I think he is getting used to AHL on a team that is fairly strong on LW

I agree about the problem children. There is a reason that they did not get a huge haul for either one or that none were really drafted.

 

[ScoutLife4]

PS. dervin has signed and is coming to Kingston from St Andrews College as of last night

 

[OMG67]

You couldn’t be more wrong about Frasca and Thibodeau.
Keeping them IN the dressing room would have been disastrous.
They got rid of a lot of problems moving them and used the picks from Frasca to upgrade their C depth bringing in Guindon.
Plus Thibodeau is an under sized 19 year old that is no where near good enough to come back in his OA year. Has no leadership qualities and a Dad that will make you beat your own head off a wall.

Frasca was a key component and you needed to add a player that made sense, not an OA centre for a key 1st round pick 18 year old. Kingston effectively trade Frasca for an OA and a 2nd round pick. Sorry but not good enough.

They did really well in the Thibodeau trade though. I assume the conditional 2nd is him returning for an OA year. I cannot see a near point per game forward not being an OA unless he chooses not to be and leaves the league on his own accord.

 

[ScoutLife4]

Frasca was a key component and you needed to add a player that made sense, not an OA centre for a key 1st round pick 18 year old. Kingston effectively trade Frasca for an OA and a 2nd round pick. Sorry but not good enough.

They did really well in the Thibodeau trade though. I assume the conditional 2nd is him returning for an OA year. I cannot see a near point per game forward not being an OA unless he chooses not to be and leaves the league on his own accord.

Frasca was an undrafted, under performing player coming off an injury that had personality and character issues.
I don’t know why you value him to be something he is not.

 

[dirty12]

Frasca was a key component and you needed to add a player that made sense, not an OA centre for a key 1st round pick 18 year old. Kingston effectively trade Frasca for an OA and a 2nd round pick. Sorry but not good enough.

They did really well in the Thibodeau trade though. I assume the conditional 2nd is him returning for an OA year. I cannot see a near point per game forward not being an OA unless he chooses not to be and leaves the league on his own accord.

Frasca didn't seem happy playing wing for Kingston even getting PP time with Battaglia and Ludwinski. Now he's 3rd line off-wing. I don't think the problem was coach's decision or GM's acquisition.

 

[zaluty]

PS. dervin has signed and is coming to Kingston from St Andrews College as of last night

A nice get for the Fronts