Kingston Frontenacs 2024-25 Season Thread, Part I

[leafs4life94]

I’d personally like to pay for a guy like ride who may not be as good but kind of plays the same way- top 4 and would be back next year. That’s why I think ride would be awesome. Would be more expensive for 2 years but they’d make it back next year anyways when they shop him.

Ride went for a back up goalie, 2 3s, 2 4s and a 9 last year - value-wise that's right along the linked of what I was thinking of them giving up. Something like Velliaris, 2 3s and a 4.

They'd still have a ton of picks left to make moves up front and upgrade Heyes if they decide to go down that route.

 

[frontsfan67]

Ride went for a back up goalie, 2 3s, 2 4s and a 9 last year - value-wise that's right along the linked of what I was thinking of them giving up. Something like Velliaris, 2 3s and a 4.

They'd still have a ton of picks left to make moves up front and upgrade Heyes if they decide to go down that route.

I think North bay would consider that. Velliaris although he isn’t great right now- was drafted as a big project d man and next year I could see a big breakout(and he would still only be 18)

I would then trade Heyes, a 2nd, 2 3rds and a 4th for swick and call it a day unless they could get mews(which I’d give up whatever Ottawa would be asking for except Hopkins obviously) and then trade him the following deadline for either a ton of picks (restock cupboard completely) or a 16 year old and a few picks. Mews should be a top 3 d man in league next year and get a look at team Canada. We already know he is open to playing here with Battaglia. I think they could get this done

 

[leafs4life94]

I think North bay would consider that. Velliaris although he isn’t great right now- was drafted as a big project d man and next year I could see a big breakout(and he would still only be 18)

I would then trade Heyes, a 2nd, 2 3rds and a 4th for swick and call it a day unless they could get mews(which I’d give up whatever Ottawa would be asking for except Hopkins obviously) and then trade him the following deadline for either a ton of picks (restock cupboard completely) or a 16 year old and a few picks. Mews should be a top 3 d man in league next year and get a look at team Canada. We already know he is open to playing here with Battaglia. I think they could get this done

The only issue with adding both Mews and Ride is the question of who sits (I'm not sure if I see them sitting Uens), although thinking about it I wouldn't be surprised if they went to 11/7 in that hypothetical, keep Clark/Buttar for the occasional shift here and there with someone else.

 

[OMG67]

The only issue with adding both Mews and Ride is the question of who sits (I'm not sure if I see them sitting Uens), although thinking about it I wouldn't be surprised if they went to 11/7 in that hypothetical, keep Clark/Buttar for the occasional shift here and there with someone else.

Kingston doesn’t have the pieces for Mews. I am 100% certain Boyd will not move Mews for picks only. He will need a good prospect and Kingston doesn’t have one they can afford to move because it subtracts from the competitive roster.

I think getting an impact 19 year old or an OA D-Man is more likely if primarily using picks.

If a Mews to Kingston move were possible, it would likely have been in the Frasca deal.

 

[leafs4life94]

Kingston doesn’t have the pieces for Mews. I am 100% certain Boyd will not move Mews for picks only. He will need a good prospect and Kingston doesn’t have one they can afford to move because it subtracts from the competitive roster.

I think getting an impact 19 year old or an OA D-Man is more likely if primarily using picks.

If a Mews to Kingston move were possible, it would likely have been in the Frasca deal.

Yeah I think it'll be tough to get a deal done, but then again, if you told me before the year that neither Rehkopf or Barlow would get an '08 I probably wouldn't believe it.

Obviously very different situations with Mews being an '06, but between the other trades, the NCAA ruling and how well/bad some teams are doing it seems like a year where enaything could happen.

 

[frontsfan67]

Vaccari vs Koprowski. Owen sound doesn’t have Konnor smith tonight.

Should be a high scoring game

 

[OMG67]

Yeah I think it'll be tough to get a deal done, but then again, if you told me before the year that neither Rehkopf or Barlow would get an '08 I probably wouldn't believe it.

Obviously very different situations with Mews being an '06, but between the other trades, the NCAA ruling and how well/bad some teams are doing it seems like a year where enaything could happen.

Hypothetically speaking, you may be able to get Mews with jsut picks but there would need to be extenuating circumstances involved.

I just think the option for Andonovski for just picks may be more possible considering they already traded Rehkopf for just picks.

 

[leafs4life94]

Well that was quite the game... Glad to see Buttar finally get his first.

They definitely benefited from having Koprowski start but Kingston was all over them so I think it still would've ended up a 2-3 goal game. George had two unreal saves on the same shift that goes in against almost every other goalie in the league.

 

[Millpond]

Whats with all the empty seats ?

You guys have a great team .
Was everyone at Taylor Swift ?

 

[frontsfan67]

Whats with all the empty seats ?

You guys have a great team .
Was everyone at Taylor Swift ?

People don’t care for the team here. Don’t understand why. People complain if they suck and don’t come out when they’re in first place.

That was the smallest crowd of the year I believe

 

[dirty12]

People don’t care for the team here. Don’t understand why. People complain if they suck and don’t come out when they’re in first place.

That was the smallest crowd of the year I believe

Being around to see the indifference when the Kingston-Windsor, London trades were made was a surprise. Really, you people don’t care that Villardi was just acquired?

 

[OMG67]

People don’t care for the team here. Don’t understand why. People complain if they suck and don’t come out when they’re in first place.

That was the smallest crowd of the year I believe

Ya gotta spend $$$ to make $$$. If there is no tangible Marketing and Advertising push in a year like this, there never will be one under this ownership group.

The days of open the doors and let them in when it comes to any form of paid entertainment are over.

 

[leafs4life94]

Ya gotta spend $$$ to make $$$. If there is no tangible Marketing and Advertising push in a year like this, there never will be one under this ownership group.

The days of open the doors and let them in when it comes to any form of paid entertainment are over.

The need to make a bigger to push to the college/university students but every time there is a large group of students there's nonstop complaints from the old guard about how disrespectful they are.

 

[frontsfan67]

The need to make a bigger to push to the college/university students but every time there is a large group of students there's nonstop complaints from the old guard about how disrespectful they are.

Exactly. And when the old guys all die off or lose interest who’s going to fill the seats?

Personally I always think it’s funny seeing some drunk guys at the game as long as they’re not starting fights in stands or using a ton of language in front of younger kids it should be fine.

I know in 103 there was complaints about our mascot last year LOL. Can’t make this shit up. People should sit at home and knit if they’re going to complain about that.

 

[OMG67]

The need to make a bigger to push to the college/university students but every time there is a large group of students there's nonstop complaints from the old guard about how disrespectful they are.

Create an atmosphere. The end. That is marketing. Figure out the identity of the team, create an atmosphere around it, dump money into advertising that and then be patient and keep pushing.

Most Junior teams have a strong mix of local Minor Hockey programs where the kids can have a little fun. They keep those groups in very specific areas in an effort to create some form of respectful boundary.

The STH usually dominate the centre ice seats. Create a VIP section specifically for STH’s. Cater to their needs even if it means you set up barriers in the stands as well as on the upper concourse. If a STH complains about anything related to disruption, steer them to the VIP section. Wanna keep your corner STH seats, well, times have changed.

Craft another “sponsored” section specifically for University and College kids. Tickets available in that section require a Student ID to purchase and are available at a discount price which is subsidized by the sponsor package for that section.

There is absolutely no reason why the Fronts cannot redesign the flow of that building, rope off certain sections and cater to the more mature crowd as well as the party crowd and young kids. It only takes some effort and $$$ to reimagine the building.

 

[leafs4life94]

Create an atmosphere. The end. That is marketing. Figure out the identity of the team, create an atmosphere around it, dump money into advertising that and then be patient and keep pushing.

Most Junior teams have a strong mix of local Minor Hockey programs where the kids can have a little fun. They keep those groups in very specific areas in an effort to create some form of respectful boundary.

The STH usually dominate the centre ice seats. Create a VIP section specifically for STH’s. Cater to their needs even if it means you set up barriers in the stands as well as on the upper concourse. If a STH complains about anything related to disruption, steer them to the VIP section. Wanna keep your corner STH seats, well, times have changed.

Craft another “sponsored” section specifically for University and College kids. Tickets available in that section require a Student ID to purchase and are available at a discount price which is subsidized by the sponsor package for that section.

There is absolutely no reason why the Fronts cannot redesign the flow of that building, rope off certain sections and cater to the more mature crowd as well as the party crowd and young kids. It only takes some effort and $$$ to reimagine the building.

I'm not sure what happened this year but I've noticed a TON more of the club seats (pretty much what you're calling VIP - padded seats, their own canteen, cup holders) are much more commonly available for purchase on Ticketmaster than they have in past years.

I have no insight but I wonder how they're doing with corporate sponsors - the company I work for got rid of their box that I believe they've had since the K-Rock Centre opened. There's often 3-4 boxes completely empty.

As for the minor hockey - our AAA organization isn't even associated with the Fronts anymore - Queen's got the rights a while back when they took over almost ever single minor sports organization in Kingston. They do usually have some house league/low rep teams at the games.

There's always an ongoing battle between students and "townies" and I think if too many students, you'll start losing some of the older crowd. Just mention homecoming to a good chunk of the locals and they'll tell how awful and disrespectful Queens students are.

 

[OMG67]

I'm not sure what happened this year but I've noticed a TON more of the club seats (pretty much what you're calling VIP - padded seats, their own canteen, cup holders) are much more commonly available for purchase on Ticketmaster than they have in past years.

I have no insight but I wonder how they're doing with corporate sponsors - the company I work for got rid of their box that I believe they've had since the K-Rock Centre opened. There's often 3-4 boxes completely empty.

As for the minor hockey - our AAA organization isn't even associated with the Fronts anymore - Queen's got the rights a while back when they took over almost ever single minor sports organization in Kingston. They do usually have some house league/low rep teams at the games.

There's always an ongoing battle between students and "townies" and I think if too many students, you'll start losing some of the older crowd. Just mention homecoming to a good chunk of the locals and they'll tell how awful and disrespectful Queens students are.

That’s why you create a zone specifically for the students. Source a sponsor. Build it up. But provide competent security and zone monitoring.

 

[dirty12]

Create an atmosphere. The end. That is marketing. Figure out the identity of the team, create an atmosphere around it, dump money into advertising that and then be patient and keep pushing.

Most Junior teams have a strong mix of local Minor Hockey programs where the kids can have a little fun. They keep those groups in very specific areas in an effort to create some form of respectful boundary.

The STH usually dominate the centre ice seats. Create a VIP section specifically for STH’s. Cater to their needs even if it means you set up barriers in the stands as well as on the upper concourse. If a STH complains about anything related to disruption, steer them to the VIP section. Wanna keep your corner STH seats, well, times have changed.

Craft another “sponsored” section specifically for University and College kids. Tickets available in that section require a Student ID to purchase and are available at a discount price which is subsidized by the sponsor package for that section.

There is absolutely no reason why the Fronts cannot redesign the flow of that building, rope off certain sections and cater to the more mature crowd as well as the party crowd and young kids. It only takes some effort and $$$ to reimagine the building.

A bit stringent to work imo. I will sit in a specific seat or not go, major junior or Olympics or World Cup hockey.
At wolves games there is a section for families and minor hockey, ‘visitors’, and three definite pockets of similarly minded STHs. You can steer groups into an area with promotions, but cannot tell people where they will buy a seat.

 

[OMG67]

A bit stringent to work imo. I will sit in a specific seat or not go, major junior or Olympics or World Cup hockey.
At wolves games there is a section for families and minor hockey, ‘visitors’, and three definite pockets of similarly minded STHs. You can steer groups into an area with promotions, but cannot tell people where they will buy a seat.

Actually you can. For example, If you want a sponsored section, you can allow the sponsor to distribute the tickets. You can remove sections from the website and reserve them specifically for minor hockey. You can play with ticket pricing for certain sections and provide different perks that organically result in spectator seat selection.

We are talking about a franchise that needs an overhaul. You cannot and should not accept that certain cohorts of fans cannot be in the same building without risking the entire cohort from leaving your business. To me, that is not acceptable.

If Queens students are disrespectful and you allow them to buy tickets wherever they want without trying to usher them together into a party zone then why are you even trying to be in business? If you create a party zone and those outside th earth zone are offended by the party zone then you have to walk away form some spectators.

You cannot allow a handful of spectators to either ruin the experience for others or dictate the experience to the point that it restricts the activities.

There are non-beer zones in NHL rinks. Those are designed specifically for families. That rule encourages it and it organically blocks out those that prefer to drink during games from those sections.

It is all about branding. You can brand a team but you can also brand a section or area of a rink. It happens all the time. And you can control access to specific sections as you see fit. It can be done with force (to buy a ticket in that section you need a student ID or only available if tickets are purchased through Minor hockey organizations, only available through STH sales), or it can be done by other means (no alcohol allowed, heavy price increases, promotional seats) etc.

You are welcome to keep your existing season tickets in the newly designated minor hockey section but you cannot complain if your experience is disrupted by kids being kids.

There are many ways to forcibly and organically migrate spectators into sections. A franchise that struggles to attract more than one cohort should look at how they are unable to market to multiple cohorts and find ways to do so.

 

[Donnie740]

Exactly. And when the old guys all die off or lose interest who’s going to fill the seats?

Personally I always think it’s funny seeing some drunk guys at the game as long as they’re not starting fights in stands or using a ton of language in front of younger kids it should be fine.

I know in 103 there was complaints about our mascot last year LOL. Can’t make this shit up. People should sit at home and knit if they’re going to complain about that.

What is the issue with the old timers being so triggered by college and university kids attending the games?

Complaining about people “being disrespectful” is extremely vague. What specifically is this “disrespectful” behaviour - - are they dumping beer on people? Starting fist fights?

I’m guessing it’s no different that the incessant complaints on these message boards about “disrespectful” comments.

I’ve never understood why people feel compelled to keep these things so exclusionary. And then they’re left scratching their heads and shaking their fist at clouds when the team relocates.