Kingston Frontenacs 2024-25 Season Thread, Part I

[frontsfan67]

I know this has been said repeatedly but Cooper should have drafted the good player willing to come to Kingston knowing he may be traded in a few months. As OMG properly states, the Frontenacs are handcuffed and would have to give up players they need this year in order to get the big fish which is not good business. I have no inside knowledge of the Frontenacs but common sense tells me that it's quite possible that this drafting mistake may get Cooper his walking papers at the end of the year if there isn't a decent playoff run.

Absolutely. If they had picked a guy like McLean or Amidovski or Challenger (all 3 were available at the time and I was hoping for McLean) they could either use one of them on the 3rd line or trade them for a big piece.

Definitely messed up. Just like Brampton. But Brampton atleast took a big chance on the best or second best in the draft.

 

[Voice from the North]

You can form the opinion that Musty has an attitude and is not a team oriented player based on an insecure Sudburian wolves homer upset about Musty wanting something more fitting of his current desires.

Let me rephrase that for you. Several people in the know around the OHL are well aware of Musty's attitude. Frontsfan67 is exactly right in this case

That being said, since he has been back with the Wolves, he has displayed a much improved attitude on and off the ice and a much improved commitment to team play thanks to the much improved coaching staff. Mann sounds like a similar style coach to Scott Barney so there would be no reason to assume the good behavior and improved habits wouldn't continue. if I was Kingston, I would at the very least inquire as to what it would take to get Musty.

 

[OMG67]

I know this has been said repeatedly but Cooper should have drafted the good player willing to come to Kingston knowing he may be traded in a few months. As OMG properly states, the Frontenacs are handcuffed and would have to give up players they need this year in order to get the big fish which is not good business. I have no inside knowledge of the Frontenacs but common sense tells me that it's quite possible that this drafting mistake may get Cooper his walking papers at the end of the year if there isn't a decent playoff run.

There is a possible strategy that would suggest drafting the difficult to report player protects them from having to trade the asset. I can see the logic behind it. At least teams cannot demand it in a deal. It may put Kingston a bit behind the 8-ball but if they aren’t overly picky about who they get, it may not work out badly. It helps the rebuild next year with two 1st rounders.

Let me rephrase that for you. Several people in the know around the OHL are well aware of Musty's attitude. Frontsfan67 is exactly right in this case

That being said, since he has been back with the Wolves, he has displayed a much improved attitude on and off the ice and a much improved commitment to team play thanks to the much improved coaching staff. Mann sounds like a similar style coach to Scott Barney so there would be no reason to assume the good behavior and improved habits wouldn't continue. if I was Kingston, I would at the very least inquire as to what it would take to get Musty.

I’d be looking at Musty as the potential #1 Offensive Forward weapon at the deadline if he is available. This assumes Saginaw doesn’t make Misa available. The only team looking for offence from the forward units that wouldn’t want Musty is a team that desperately needs a centre and prioritized it over the higher ceiling offence. Lardis, Romani, and Pinelli would be the ones lagging a bit behind. We don’t know what Brantford will do and there has been talk of Romani staying for a potential OA seasons so who knows?

 

[FrontalLobe]

Let me rephrase that for you. Several people in the know around the OHL are well aware of Musty's attitude. Frontsfan67 is exactly right in this case

That being said, since he has been back with the Wolves, he has displayed a much improved attitude on and off the ice and a much improved commitment to team play thanks to the much improved coaching staff. Mann sounds like a similar style coach to Scott Barney so there would be no reason to assume the good behavior and improved habits wouldn't continue. if I was Kingston, I would at the very least inquire as to what it would take to get Musty.

Exactly. It's not an opinion Frontsfan67 formed based on Musty's wishes or demands. It's about how he is perceived by current and former teammates.

 

[dirty12]

are you basing your opinion based off when he was drafted? Hate to break it to you but a lot can happen in 3 years

Basing it off three years. I saw some off-ice interaction between teammates last spring, they were having a real good time. I don’t hate to break it to you.
Honestly, I think Musty has handled his trade request not being honoured like a champ.

 

[Wolfman Jack]

Musty is picking up steam and his offensive wizardry has come through in the last week. Seems much more focused and the overall desire to play the game is present. He isn't sulking by any means and as far as I'm concerned he should be the number one target for any team looking to go all the way.

Kingston, London, Erie, Brampton, Windsor and Brantford should all be in the running unless Kitchener decides to hop in the race. All those teams have quality younger players and picks to make it happen. Musty has been electric since his return and I believe the coaching team in Sudbury has him playing his best hockey since he has been here.

Kingston getting Musty to in a deal would be a huge get. Toss in the likes of McCoy and those two pieces would put Kingston right up there. However Hopkins would have to be part of the deal IMO.

WJ

 

[Fischhaber]

Don’t know if I’d go as far as saying the leagues top goalie lol but he could be an upgrade yes. Would I give 2 2nds and a 3rd for an upgrade on an already decent OA goalie? Hell no.

Given that he's on a first place team, Lalonde has a very poor save percentage. You watch the team a lot more than me though, so maybe the Fronts give up a very high number of quality chances and he's standing on his head.

I've been a critic of Schenkel for years, but this season he's been absolutely unbelievable. He has the best stats in the league by a pretty significant margin on a shaky defensive team. I don't know if he's the best goalie, but he's undoubtedly been the best so far.

 

[frontsfan67]

Musty is picking up steam and his offensive wizardry has come through in the last week. Seems much more focused and the overall desire to play the game is present. He isn't sulking by any means and as far as I'm concerned he should be the number one target for any team looking to go all the way.

Kingston, London, Erie, Brampton, Windsor and Brantford should all be in the running unless Kitchener decides to hop in the race. All those teams have quality younger players and picks to make it happen. Musty has been electric since his return and I believe the coaching team in Sudbury has him playing his best hockey since he has been here.

Kingston getting Musty to in a deal would be a huge get. Toss in the likes of McCoy and those two pieces would put Kingston right up there. However Hopkins would have to be part of the deal IMO.

WJ

A musty AND McCoy deal would make me consider it. If it’s just musty for Hopkins though I wouldn’t take that

Still I would absolutely prefer a (potential) 2 year player like Luchanko or mews even if they had to overpay because they can get some of those picks back the following year

 

[beastintheeast]

I know this has been said repeatedly but Cooper should have drafted the good player willing to come to Kingston knowing he may be traded in a few months. As OMG properly states, the Frontenacs are handcuffed and would have to give up players they need this year in order to get the big fish which is not good business. I have no inside knowledge of the Frontenacs but common sense tells me that it's quite possible that this drafting mistake may get Cooper his walking papers at the end of the year if there isn't a decent playoff run.

It's not the playoff run that is going to hurt Cooper, but it would be what they have returning. Cooper, for all his lack of experience, has done reasonably well. Remember, he had Mav and Gilmour to teach him and an owner that wants results no matter what.
As to the deadline unless an offer comes out of the blue like Musty saying he wil only play in Kingston I think we will see soft buys.

There are 2 reasons, first being that Kingston does not have the players to compete in a bidding war with the top teams.
You do not have any OA room to get a cheap rental.
Cooper needs to look at teams and see if a 19-year-old RD is available. Can he match a price that makes it a win for both?

Next year, your D leader will be McGowan, and while he is playing well, is he really the stud you want to put your team's defence on?