Kingston Frontenacs 2024-25 Season Thread, Part I

[frontsfan67]

Good win by the fronts today. Never easy going into North bay and their record over the last 10 years there has been horrible.

Big games by uronen, McNamara and a great bounce back win for Lalonde.

What a pickup uronen was. Ottawa must’ve been smoking something making that trade

 

[OMG67]

Good win by the fronts today. Never easy going into North bay and their record over the last 10 years there has been horrible.

Big games by uronen, McNamara and a great bounce back win for Lalonde.

What a pickup uronen was. Ottawa must’ve been smoking something making that trade

What do you mean? We have the mighty Korbler! As soon as he gets his first point this year, watch out!

 

[Oggie Ogoltorp]

I dont think trading for Musty makes any sense for Kingston. I see him landing in Brampton, London or Erie. I dont think Barrie has the assets to get him. Musty and Martone would be lethal. London would absolutley run away with the west with him but they probably will anyways.

 

[PuckLucker]

I dont think trading for Musty makes any sense for Kingston. I see him landing in Brampton, London or Erie. I dont think Barrie has the assets to get him. Musty and Martone would be lethal. London would absolutley run away with the west with him but they probably will anyways.

What about Luchanko or Allen from Guelph?
Guelph is a very young team that will probably sell at the deadline

 

[OMG67]

What about Luchanko or Allen from Guelph?
Guelph is a very young team that will probably sell at the deadline

Luchanko is an ‘06. He is likely to return next year unless he graduates early. That would likely be a very high cost acquisition considering he is a two year player. See the Owen Beck deal as the comparable which is a very high 1st plus a picks package.

 

[Oggie Ogoltorp]

My guess is Luchanko / Musty will cost the most. All top teams will be in on both and it will be a bidding war.

 

[frontsfan67]

if the fronts got a deal for Luchanko gotta think the only way it gets done is Hopkins + picks. I wouldn’t be too upset about this either.

Guelph builds around 07 and 08 group. Can’t be 06/07 group as luchankos really the only great guy from their 06’s

With Guelph making this trade they’d get back a centre who can play top line for them the next 3 years and with Kingston they can get one of the top players in the league this year and trade him next year if need be, along with battaglia and build around the 09 and 10 draft classes

Makes sense for both teams as Guelph needs to build for the future and this makes perfect sense for Kingston as well. This way you get a legit 1C and also a fallback option for next year when we are rebuilding.

 

[OMG67]

if the fronts got a deal for Luchanko gotta think the only way it gets done is Hopkins + picks. I wouldn’t be too upset about this either.

Guelph builds around 07 and 08 group. Can’t be 06/07 group as luchankos really the only great guy from that.

With Guelph making this trade they’d get back a centre who can play top line for them the next 3 years and with Kingston they can get one of the top players in the league this year and trade him next year if need be, along with battaglia and build around the 09 and 10 draft classes

Makes sense for both teams as Guelph needs to build for the future and this makes perfect sense for Kingston as well. This way you get a legit 1C and also a fallback option for next year when we are rebuilding.

From a Kingston perspective, that is accurate.

I think Brantford is the team most likely to make that kind of push. O’Donnell, Tsherna, two 2nds and two 3rds is the likely package.

Barrie would have the absolute inside track with Vaughn, Newton, two 2nds, and a 3rd.

But, you are correct that Kingston would need to use Hopkins without any doubt. The issue on the Kingston side is you’d then need to replace Hopkins. You could keep McNamarra is the 3C which means you would only need to add a winger with the same/similar offensive ability as Hopkins has now. You still need the d-Man though.

 

[beastintheeast]

if the fronts got a deal for Luchanko gotta think the only way it gets done is Hopkins + picks. I wouldn’t be too upset about this either.

Guelph builds around 07 and 08 group. Can’t be 06/07 group as luchankos really the only great guy from their 06’s

With Guelph making this trade they’d get back a centre who can play top line for them the next 3 years and with Kingston they can get one of the top players in the league this year and trade him next year if need be, along with battaglia and build around the 09 and 10 draft classes

Makes sense for both teams as Guelph needs to build for the future and this makes perfect sense for Kingston as well. This way you get a legit 1C and also a fallback option for next year when we are rebuilding.

This may be a broken record comment, but if you get rid of Hopkins this year, who will be your second/third-line centers next year, and who will be your top center the year after that?

I understand the desire to get as much from the team as possible and be high in the standings, but are you pushing your chips in to break even this year? Luchanko will probably cost picks as well as Hopkins, and if you get him, then that means you are a buyer and not going to be selling many of your parts.


Just wondering again this is where Cooper screwed the pooch in the draft this year you could have easily used Malhorta as your trade bait and saved Hopkins

 

[OMG67]

This may be a broken record comment, but if you get rid of Hopkins this year, who will be your second/third-line centers next year, and who will be your top center the year after that?

I understand the desire to get as much from the team as possible and be high in the standings, but are you pushing your chips in to break even this year? Luchanko will probably cost picks as well as Hopkins, and if you get him, then that means you are a buyer and not going to be selling many of your parts.


Just wondering again this is where Cooper screwed the pooch in the draft this year you could have easily used Malhorta as your trade bait and saved Hopkins

I think that may be his point. That is what Kingston would have to give up. If committed to this year then it is what it is.

I still would consider other options that wouldn’t require such deep cuts to the roster.

 

[frontsfan67]

I think that may be his point. That is what Kingston would have to give up. If committed to this year then it is what it is.

I still would consider other options that wouldn’t require such deep cuts to the roster.

Exactly.

Lots thought Barlow would be in the nhl this year at the start of last season.

Not the same type of players- I think Luchanko has a much higher ceiling over Barlow however if there’s anything I’ve learned from junior hockey- expect the unexpected.

Fronts would be gambling on this but if they get Luchanko back you can trade him next year and use him as a free rental this year and build around the 09 and 10 groups which I think will be happening regardless of what happens this year as they have 10 05s and can only keep 3 for next year

 

[OMG67]

Exactly.

Lots thought Barlow would be in the nhl this year at the start of last season.

Not the same type of players- I think Luchanko has a much higher ceiling over Barlow however if there’s anything I’ve learned from junior hockey- expect the unexpected.

Fronts would be gambling on this but if they get Luchanko back you can trade him next year and use him as a free rental this year and build around the 09 and 10 groups which I think will be happening regardless of what happens this year as they have 10 05s and can only keep 3 for next year

I think if we are talking about Luchanko, you have too much competition from Brantford. They have the assets and the desire to win next year. If they roll the dice on this one and win, they get the two year player in their two year window. I honestly feel they are the only team with the right mix of “disposable” assets.

 

[MidwestStorm]

I think if we are talking about Luchanko, you have too much competition from Brantford. They have the assets and the desire to win next year. If they roll the dice on this one and win, they get the two year player in their two year window. I honestly feel they are the only team with the right mix of “disposable” assets.

I completely agree Brantford is the front runner having both Malholtra and O'Donnell.
They should be very competitive this year and next and have pieces attractive to the Storm including the conditional picks necessary to make this deal.

 

[PuckLucker]

3 in 3 starting this Friday Night at home.
Petes, Guelph & Ottawa which hopefully produces 3 wins for the Fronts providing they aren't too fatigued come Sunday.
Power Play is 3rd in the League
Penalty Kill is 4th in the League
Tighten up the 5 on 5 situation (Same troubles as last year) and more regulation wins will come,

 

[OMG67]

3 in 3 starting this Friday Night at home.
Petes, Guelph & Ottawa which hopefully produces 3 wins for the Fronts providing they aren't too fatigued come Sunday.
Power Play is 3rd in the League
Penalty Kill is 4th in the League
Tighten up the 5 on 5 situation (Same troubles as last year) and more regulation wins will come,

Here’s to hoping they are dead tired by the time Sunday rolls around! Ottawa needs all the advantages it can get!

 

[ScoutLife4]

3 in 3 starting this Friday Night at home.
Petes, Guelph & Ottawa which hopefully produces 3 wins for the Fronts providing they aren't too fatigued come Sunday.
Power Play is 3rd in the League
Penalty Kill is 4th in the League
Tighten up the 5 on 5 situation (Same troubles as last year) and more regulation wins will come,

Staying disciplined will be a key to any success this team may have.
I have a feeling its only a matter of time before Burns works himself out of the captain role.
Hope he proves me wrong!

 

[leafs4life94]

Staying disciplined will be a key to any success this team may have.
I have a feeling its only a matter of time before Burns works himself out of the captain role.
Hope he proves me wrong!

It's interesting because Kingston has the 6th fewest penalties and the 4th best PK but it seems like they give up penalties at the worst times and those always get converted - two GWG against this year have been due to Burns penalties in the 3rd/OT, and one other was 10 seconds after a Miedema penalty expired with 30 seconds left in the game.

 

[FrontalLobe]

It's interesting because Kingston has the 6th fewest penalties and the 4th best PK but it seems like they give up penalties at the worst times and those always get converted - two GWG against this year have been due to Burns penalties in the 3rd/OT, and one other was 10 seconds after a Miedema penalty expired with 30 seconds left in the game.

And go watch that goal and Miedema's effort or lack thereof I mean when he exits the box. Instead of hustling back to help out he saunters out of the box hoping there is turnover for him to go the other way. Boom. Game over.

 

[ScoutLife4]

It's interesting because Kingston has the 6th fewest penalties and the 4th best PK but it seems like they give up penalties at the worst times and those always get converted - two GWG against this year have been due to Burns penalties in the 3rd/OT, and one other was 10 seconds after a Miedema penalty expired with 30 seconds left in the game.

It's not the amount of penalties it's the bad times they are occuring you are correct.

 

[leafs4life94]

I wonder if if they give one their three high PIM guys a break at some point here as a message to be disciplined - Burns/McNamara/Miedema alone account for over half of the entire team PIM, and if they sat one of them A) hopefully it'd get the point across of discipline and B) it'd give someone else an opportunity to move up the lineup.

I know on the listed lines they had the D Pairs mixed up on Sunday - did they stick with that the whole game or was it a paper shuffle and they just protected Moore? I wasn't able to watch.

 

[OMG67]

I wonder if if they give one their three high PIM guys a break at some point here as a message to be disciplined - Burns/McNamara/Miedema alone account for over half of the entire team PIM, and if they sat one of them A) hopefully it'd get the point across of discipline and B) it'd give someone else an opportunity to move up the lineup.

I know on the listed lines they had the D Pairs mixed up on Sunday - did they stick with that the whole game or was it a paper shuffle and they just protected Moore? I wasn't able to watch.

I think it matters more about the type of penalties (lazy or aggressive) as to whether you can single out any players. It is tough if they are aggressive penalties. You wan the players to be aggressive but there is a fine line where you have to know how to be aggressive without taking the penalty. At the same time, you don’t want to neuter aggressiveness.

It is a completely different story if they are lazy penalties. IF the player isn’t skating or is lagging behind the play and is committing the infraction because he is out of position etc, then the penalties aren’t this issue. It is the fact he is a lazy player.

If it is because a player isn’t in position and finds himself reaching on the hook, hold, or slash then that can be a coaching moment where the coach can use it as a means of identifying where the player should have been positioned etc. You cannot sit a player for that unless it is continually the same issue of not being where they need to be.

So, I wouldn’t’ look at bulk minutes and draw a line in the sand. There are good penalties and bad penalties. Many fo the bad penalties are coaching moments/opportunities and part of development. If it is laziness then that is an issue because the player isn’t only taking penalties but they are also likely causing goals against.

I think a lot more needs to go into this sort of conversation prior to just penalizing players that take too many penalties.

 

[leafs4life94]

I think it matters more about the type of penalties (lazy or aggressive) as to whether you can single out any players. It is tough if they are aggressive penalties. You wan the players to be aggressive but there is a fine line where you have to know how to be aggressive without taking the penalty. At the same time, you don’t want to neuter aggressiveness.

It is a completely different story if they are lazy penalties. IF the player isn’t skating or is lagging behind the play and is committing the infraction because he is out of position etc, then the penalties aren’t this issue. It is the fact he is a lazy player.

If it is because a player isn’t in position and finds himself reaching on the hook, hold, or slash then that can be a coaching moment where the coach can use it as a means of identifying where the player should have been positioned etc. You cannot sit a player for that unless it is continually the same issue of not being where they need to be.

So, I wouldn’t’ look at bulk minutes and draw a line in the sand. There are good penalties and bad penalties. Many fo the bad penalties are coaching moments/opportunities and part of development. If it is laziness then that is an issue because the player isn’t only taking penalties but they are also likely causing goals against.

I think a lot more needs to go into this sort of conversation prior to just penalizing players that take too many penalties.

I agree to an extent - Burns for example his numbers are somewhat inflated because of the two instigated-on fights he had against Oshawa - but where the overall numbers do come into play is the fact that those three guys are good players, and if they're in the box, they're not on the ice.

Losing Burns means that's 34 minutes that need to be filled by other D, and samething with Miedema. It may not come out to a lot on a per game basis, but with Kingston losing as many close games as they have, having Burns/Miedema/McNamara on the ice for that extra shift or two could've been the difference.

I haven't looked through the types of penalties the three have taken but I know with all three they've had plain undisciplined penalties - Miedema's check to the head in the O Zone against Brantford with 2.5 mins left in the third of a tie game popping to mind as the worst of the bunch.

 

[frontsfan67]

It's interesting because Kingston has the 6th fewest penalties and the 4th best PK but it seems like they give up penalties at the worst times and those always get converted - two GWG against this year have been due to Burns penalties in the 3rd/OT, and one other was 10 seconds after a Miedema penalty expired with 30 seconds left in the game.

To be fair that one in Erie never should’ve been a penalty- horrible call and then of course they scored right away

No problem if they take good penalties such as ones that could save a goal but it’s the frustration penalties that I hate like the slashes, cross checks, roughing(still have no idea how they call roughing sometimes for only 1 player unless that 1 player beat the other up)

 

[ScoutLife4]

Kingston is not talented enough on the back end to park Burns in the pressbox in my opinion.
Mcnamara and Miedema you could get away with not having on the ice.

One positive out of some of Burns Penalties as he has been taking someone with him most of the time and getting offsetting penalties.

 

[PuckLucker]

And go watch that goal and Miedema's effort or lack thereof I mean when he exits the box. Instead of hustling back to help out he saunters out of the box hoping there is turnover for him to go the other way. Boom. Game over.

Did you watch this game live or see a replay on Twitter?
Link?

Of the top 25 point getters currently in the OHL, only 2 players have a negative +/- rating
I know this stat isn't always relevant but why is a 20 point player on the Fronts a -1 ???