Kingston Frontenacs 2023-24 Season Thread (Part One)

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Lots of time for what. We were fleeced in that trade. Again, the kid tries hard

I agree it hasn’t turned out to what I was hoping for but Stewart wouldn’t have ever become any better playing for us on the 4th line. Look at Poole and Heyes they haven’t gotten much better in their time with us. If he never went to OS I doubt he would’ve gotten the sens camp invite.

Also Stewart asked out.

At the time it was promising as uens had good numbers for a rookie d in Owen sound his first year and second year he wasn’t good and tanked his value.

The fronts management were probably hoping he would have a breakout season with us like how he looked his rookie season but it appears that won’t happen anytime soon
 
I agree it hasn’t turned out to what I was hoping for but Stewart wouldn’t have ever become any better playing for us on the 4th line. Look at Poole and Heyes they haven’t gotten much better in their time with us. If he never went to OS I doubt he would’ve gotten the sens camp invite.

Also Stewart asked out.

At the time it was promising as uens had good numbers for a rookie d in Owen sound his first year and second year he wasn’t good and tanked his value.

The fronts management were probably hoping he would have a breakout season with us like how he looked his rookie season but it appears that won’t happen anytime soon
To add to that Owen Sound fans were upset dealing him at the time.

All that said, I’m still hoping that we add three more Dmen (Burns, OA, Euro) to what is currently being utilized so that Uens ends up being a 7th Dman for us anyways. Holmes, Budnick and McGowan stay in the top 6.
 
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I agree it hasn’t turned out to what I was hoping for but Stewart wouldn’t have ever become any better playing for us on the 4th line. Look at Poole and Heyes they haven’t gotten much better in their time with us. If he never went to OS I doubt he would’ve gotten the sens camp invite.

Also Stewart asked out.

At the time it was promising as uens had good numbers for a rookie d in Owen sound his first year and second year he wasn’t good and tanked his value.

The fronts management were probably hoping he would have a breakout season with us like how he looked his rookie season but it appears that won’t happen anytime soon
I do believe he asked to get out, but the Ottawa Sens had him at main camp, so he must have gotten better. If Caputi would elevate poole and heyes the would prove me right. Check out poole face off %.
 
I do believe he asked to get out, but the Ottawa Sens had him at main camp, so he must have gotten better. If Caputi would elevate poole and heyes the would prove me right. Check out poole face off %.
His face off percentage is great but that’s the only good thing about Poole besides being on the PK.

Hard to develop in ANY league playing limited minutes on the 4th line
 
The big thing with those 3 players at the time was Poole was an excellent faceoff guy and penalty killer.

Heyes is a good penalty killer and has some offensive potential on the right team- (I see him asking out next.)

Stewart wasn’t on the pk and took countless stupid penalties.

Was a winger just like Heyes but never showed any flashes and wasn’t a good fo% centre.

So it made sense he was the one traded of the 3 “bash bros” that all had fairly similar roles. I’m happy for him doing well in Owen sound but he wouldn’t have ever gotten the opportunities he has there with us.
 
His face off percentage is great but that’s the only good thing about Poole besides being on the PK.

Hard to develop in ANY league playing limited minutes on the 4th line
fronts fan"only thing good about Poole"? How about standing up for teammates? How about doing whatever is asked of him, how about his gwg the other night.
 

fronts fan"only thing good about Poole"? How about standing up for teammates? How about doing whatever is asked of him, how about his gwg the other night.
I agree. Don’t underestimate a role player. Last year Jax Dubois was instrumental in the Petes championship win. He only had 7 goals and 15 assists in the regular season but he was amongst the league leaders in face off wins and was a great defensive forward. His role has changed this year with more ice time and opportunity he is of to good start with 2 goals and 5 assists in two games played.
 
fronts fan"only thing good about Poole"? How about standing up for teammates? How about doing whatever is asked of him, how about his gwg the other night.
Poole is a great role player. You’re right about that. However most of them stand up for eachother on the team. you don’t have to just drop the gloves for that. But most will if needed.

His gwg the other night was great. However that is only his 10th goal in 89 career regular season games lol so that doesn’t happen very often obviously.

The one I never see doing that kind of stuff is thibodeau but in his defence he’s like 5’8 and 140 so he won’t do much.

I agree. Don’t underestimate a role player. Last year Jax Dubois was instrumental in the Petes championship win. He only had 7 goals and 15 assists in the regular season but he was amongst the league leaders in face off wins and was a great defensive forward. His role has changed this year with more ice time and opportunity he is of to good start with 2 goals and 5 assists in two games played.
That’s great about Dubois he’s had a hot start but don’t count on him keeping up that pace. Still a great second or third line centre on most teams though
 
Lots of time for what. We were fleeced in that trade. Again, the kid tries hard
lol you post like he is the second coming of Jesus
To add to that Owen Sound fans were upset dealing him at the time.

All that said, I’m still hoping that we add three more Dmen (Burns, OA, Euro) to what is currently being utilized so that Uens ends up being a 7th Dman for us anyways. Holmes, Budnick and McGowan stay in the top 6.
it was a good trade at the time and still could be, Stewart is t as good as some think
 
lol you post like he is the second coming of Jesus

it was a good trade at the time and still could be, Stewart is t as good as some think
Exactly,
He’s played 38 games for OS and has 4 goals. What exactly were you expecting to get for him in a trade?
The obsession with him on here is so strange. He was fine for the role he played, but let’s stop acting like he is a young Brendan Shanahan or something.
 
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I agree. Don’t underestimate a role player. Last year Jax Dubois was instrumental in the Petes championship win. He only had 7 goals and 15 assists in the regular season but he was amongst the league leaders in face off wins and was a great defensive forward. His role has changed this year with more ice time and opportunity he is of to good start with 2 goals and 5 assists in two games played.
It sounds like frontsfan67 you are only looking at players who get points. Some of the so called top players in the league also end up having a horrendous +/- when you see how many goals are scored against them. I completely disagree with your comment that everyone on this team will stick up for each other, there was a time last year when Stewart, Poole and Heyes were all out of the line-up with injuries and every team we played ran over us without any pushback. There’s a reason why Stewart was invited to an NHL camp, he’s a role player that has the respect of his team mates, it’s not because he’s potting 50 goals a season.

To have a successful team you need several ingredient players. Petes1987 is bang on, Dubois wins pucks and gives his team possession, he was going up against other teams top lines. Getting goals and assists isn’t his first priority in the role he was in. Show me a team of all goal scorers and I’ll show you a losing team. Poole FO% is between 60-80 % in pre reason and regular season so far. He wins almost every important draw in Kingstons end. Most of our other centres are at 40+ % in draws. That makes a big difference. Guys also like Heyes, Stewart, McGowan, are incredibly important to a team, they grind, do what they can in the minutes they have, they sacrifice their bodies and do the things soft players won’t for a team.

When I watch our games, so many goals against us come from soft players unwilling to battle, I would take a player like Uens over a 6’3 defencemen who is afraid to get his nails dirty. Uens battles and gives you what he has. A player like Outwater just doesn’t have that skill set, so as much as we may get excited about his points and his value as a goal scorer he’s also a huge liability when we don’t have the puck. Maybe we just see the game differently.
 
Exactly,
He’s played 38 games for OS and has 4 goals. What exactly were you expecting to get for him in a trade?
The obsession with him on here is so strange. He was fine for the role he played, but let’s stop acting like he is a young Brendan Shanahan or something.
its why ppl think it’s his dad posting, it’s obsessive at this point.
 
lol you post like he is the second coming of Jesus

it was a good trade at the time and still could be, Stewart is t as good as some think
I wasn't referring to him, although we miss him, we also lost Luddington, Remember?
 
its why ppl think it’s his dad posting, it’s obsessive at this point.
OHL for life, you must be a 3 on 3 mens leauge player who doesn't understand the inner working of the makeup of a team or would just love a toe drag contest
I wasn't referring only to losing Stewart, we also lost Luddington for Uens. That's why I said "the trade" I thought with your extensive knowledge you would know who was involved in the trade.
 
OHL for life, you must be a 3 on 3 mens leauge player who doesn't understand the inner working of the makeup of a team or would just love a toe drag contest
I wasn't referring only to losing Stewart, we also lost Luddington for Uens. That's why I said "the trade" I thought with your extensive knowledge you would know who was involved in the trade.
i worked for 20 years in the league, scouting and others. if you want to make this a resume contest im happy to do so.

how many people on here have called you out on your obsession on the stewart kid? i read the boards, its not just 2 or 3, its about 6 or 7 now. we call cant be wrong can we.

nothing about that trade is a fleece, your stewart obbession is just yours, not anyone elses.
 
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Well, wow that is so impressive, it's a shame for the leauge you retired and just hang out here giving your opinion to us who don't know anything
 
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Well, wow that is so impressive, it's a shame for the leauge you retired and just hang out here giving your opinion to us who don't know anything
im more then welcome to say im wrong because scouting is humbling and knockes you down a peg, and i sure have been, but when you are around people who are champions in the ohl you learn a think or too.

the feedback you get on here is that your promotion of the stewart kid is too much, you think hes a stud when he is not, you can do what i did when smart people told me i was wrong and adapt, or you can keep going, its your call.
 
Just saw a tweet/x or whatever that Nolan Ling signed with Gatineau Olympique. Wish him luck, I thought he was good enough to be 7th D this year. No word on where/what Brooks is going to do.
 
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It sounds like frontsfan67 you are only looking at players who get points. Some of the so called top players in the league also end up having a horrendous +/- when you see how many goals are scored against them. I completely disagree with your comment that everyone on this team will stick up for each other, there was a time last year when Stewart, Poole and Heyes were all out of the line-up with injuries and every team we played ran over us without any pushback. There’s a reason why Stewart was invited to an NHL camp, he’s a role player that has the respect of his team mates, it’s not because he’s potting 50 goals a season.

To have a successful team you need several ingredient players. Petes1987 is bang on, Dubois wins pucks and gives his team possession, he was going up against other teams top lines. Getting goals and assists isn’t his first priority in the role he was in. Show me a team of all goal scorers and I’ll show you a losing team. Poole FO% is between 60-80 % in pre reason and regular season so far. He wins almost every important draw in Kingstons end. Most of our other centres are at 40+ % in draws. That makes a big difference. Guys also like Heyes, Stewart, McGowan, are incredibly important to a team, they grind, do what they can in the minutes they have, they sacrifice their bodies and do the things soft players won’t for a team.

When I watch our games, so many goals against us come from soft players unwilling to battle, I would take a player like Uens over a 6’3 defencemen who is afraid to get his nails dirty. Uens battles and gives you what he has. A player like Outwater just doesn’t have that skill set, so as much as we may get excited about his points and his value as a goal scorer he’s also a huge liability when we don’t have the puck. Maybe we just see the game differently.
I didn’t say everyone on the team. I said most. I don’t think I’ll ever see a guy like thibodeau throwing his body around at people lol.

The fronts had countless injures and short benches every game. They’re not going to go around fighting people leaving their teammates another player short every game.

If they were healthy you’d see more scraps but it’s not logical to be fighting over stupid crap when your team is down many players. if you do that the coach won’t be playing you at all and you might lose your spot on the team.

Yes I’ve said Poole is a good role player but that’s about it. If he wasn’t good at faceoffs and on the pk I’m not sure if he would still be on the team.

If they wanted to go out and get a bigger guy than Poole they could do that but winning the faceoffs is an asset so as long as his ego doesn’t get hurt playing on the third or 4th line it works out.

If you would take uens over a guy who is 6’3 and just not a very gritty d man but plays well otherwise then you need to get your head checked.

He is a very small guy like I’ve said and he doesn’t knock anyone off the puck unless they’re the same size. As a d man you can’t have that it’s a liability especially going against bigger guys.

Just saw a tweet/x or whatever that Nolan Ling signed with Gatineau Olympique. Wish him luck, I thought he was good enough to be 7th D this year. No word on where/what Brooks is going to do.
Zhigalov is in the ushl too for tri city.
 
OHL for life, you must be a 3 on 3 mens leauge player who doesn't understand the inner working of the makeup of a team or would just love a toe drag contest
I wasn't referring only to losing Stewart, we also lost Luddington for Uens. That's why I said "the trade" I thought with your extensive knowledge you would know who was involved in the trade.
As far as I can tell, it is many more people saying how great Stewart was, unless it was just you repeatedly saying it. What you’re saying about there being more to a player than just offensive abilities, that is true. But it’s much easier to find a role player that provides physicality than it is to find skilled players. Stewart was a fine role player but at the time they needed a guy on the backend because they had guys out, and they had an abundance of forwards who all more or less had similar roles. I think he was the one traded because he drew interest, would’ve been nice to trade someone else, but as it’s been already said, the market for most of their depth forwards is basically zero. Argue if they lost the trade but if they did it sure isn’t because Stewart ended up being anything more then he was when he was in Kingston.
 
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As far as I can tell, it is many more people saying how great Stewart was, unless it was just you repeatedly saying it. What you’re saying about there being more to a player than just offensive abilities, that is true. But it’s much easier to find a role player that provides physicality than it is to find skilled players. Stewart was a fine role player but at the time they needed a guy on the backend because they had guys out, and they had an abundance of forwards who all more or less had similar roles. I think he was the one traded because he drew interest, would’ve been nice to trade someone else, but as it’s been already said, the market for most of their depth forwards is basically zero. Argue if they lost the trade but if they did it sure isn’t because Stewart ended up being anything more then he was when he was in Kingston.
I’ve only seen him pumping Stewart’s tires, sone attack fans got into it with him over it last week as well.

your trade analysis is bang on thou
 
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I loved Stewart as a fan because he was entertaining and fun to watch - but realistically he was and likely always will be a bottom 6 player, physical and able to pot 5-10 goals a year. I'm not a big fan of Uens but a) RHD was going to be a need coming into this year with only potentially Williamson on the roster and b) he's a local-ish kid.

As for the Luddington part of the trade - he seems like a non-factor. He's an '05 and he still hasn't played any OHL games and while there's still time, it's looking less and less likely he will.

Losing a 3rd in the trade is probably my least favourite aspect - I don't think Uens has that much more value than Stewart (Luddington and the 10th cancel out).
 
The bottom line is that if a team is drafting and developing players then it does so by putting the newest Ontario players on the 4th line to learn the game. They get limited minutes but learn. Midway through the year if they outshine a 3rd line player they move up. But at any rate, they should be the 3rd line the next year. If you have 4th-line players that are 17 or 18 then you are either not drafting. not developing or you have a powerhouse team.

The question then is what is the issue with Kingston? It is the beginning of the year you are not going to win the championship in October. You are going to develop the team for the sprint after Christmas.

As to Stewart if he wanted out then you lose all your trading ability. Teams are not going to give you as good a deal because they know you have to. Uens may have been the best they could get so you take it and live with it.

Look at Wright how many payers refused to be traded?
 
The bottom line is that if a team is drafting and developing players then it does so by putting the newest Ontario players on the 4th line to learn the game. They get limited minutes but learn. Midway through the year if they outshine a 3rd line player they move up. But at any rate, they should be the 3rd line the next year. If you have 4th-line players that are 17 or 18 then you are either not drafting. not developing or you have a powerhouse team.

The question then is what is the issue with Kingston? It is the beginning of the year you are not going to win the championship in October. You are going to develop the team for the sprint after Christmas.

As to Stewart if he wanted out then you lose all your trading ability. Teams are not going to give you as good a deal because they know you have to. Uens may have been the best they could get so you take it and live with it.

Look at Wright how many payers refused to be traded?
I agree. That’s why a 1-2 start doesn’t mean much. And won’t really mean much until about December. A team like the Pete’s are going to be rebuilding this year but they started 2-0 and might end up being one of the top 4 in the conference by December but then they ship players out and drop in the standings it happens every year. And it happened with kingston last year.

Stewart was never very valuable so that limits the market for him.


And about the wright trade- not many players in this day and age will want to go from a team trying to win it all to a rebuilding team like kingston was last year.

Also doesn’t help when London sells out 9000 fans every game and kingston has been struggling wit attendance since the 2016-2017 season. Patrick Kane said it best- it’s like a mini nhl.

Another variable is a lot of players come from around the GTA and getting traded to kingston 3 hours away may not be ideal.

With Miedema it made sense he had the talent- the potential and it’s closer to his home.

Throw in a guy like McCarthy who is a good young d man and some picks and that’s a good trade. Obviously it sucks that it looks like McCarthy won’t be coming here however I don’t blame him- he will be playing with the top 2 picks of this years draft this year. (Celebrini, Eiserman) in a university that has had Jack Eichel, Jake Oettinger, Brady Tkachu, Trevor Zegras and Kevin Shattenkirk playing there just to name a few.
 
I agree. That’s why a 1-2 start doesn’t mean much. And won’t really mean much until about December. A team like the Pete’s are going to be rebuilding this year but they started 2-0 and might end up being one of the top 4 in the conference by December but then they ship players out and drop in the standings it happens every year. And it happened with kingston last year.

Stewart was never very valuable so that limits the market for him.


And about the wright trade- not many players in this day and age will want to go from a team trying to win it all to a rebuilding team like kingston was last year.

Also doesn’t help when London sells out 9000 fans every game and kingston has been struggling wit attendance since the 2016-2017 season. Patrick Kane said it best- it’s like a mini nhl.

Another variable is a lot of players come from around the GTA and getting traded to kingston 3 hours away may not be ideal.

With Miedema it made sense he had the talent- the potential and it’s closer to his home.

Throw in a guy like McCarthy who is a good young d man and some picks and that’s a good trade. Obviously it sucks that it looks like McCarthy won’t be coming here however I don’t blame him- he will be playing with the top 2 picks of this years draft this year. (Celebrini, Eiserman) in a university that has had Jack Eichel, Jake Oettinger, Brady Tkachu, Trevor Zegras and Kevin Shattenkirk playing there just to name a few.
We can go back in history with this team when it had the build of it's talent returning and went off on huge winning streaks to fall flat because it had a talent level at the start of the year and as teams developed and gelled the Fronts started to lose.

It doesn't happen as much in the OHL now but the key is that the first few months should be developing the talent-finding lines that work the best getting players ice time.

It is the sme with Salkjko he needs to play.. God forbid that Vaccari gets the flu or something nd can not play. Then you are throwing a rookie in the game with no backup goalie if he gets in trouble for his first OHL game. If they are waiting t put him in against these teams it will not work. Who is Easy this year?
 
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