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LOL
The only guy that imo was as bad as Caputi in the last 10-15 years I remember
Have they coaches recently? Or not since the bulls left?
Kingston Frontenacs 2023-24 Season Thread (Part One)
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Always sad to see someone lose their job but this change was needed.
I am also hoping that no coaching replacement announced means that they are still looking externally.
They need to get this right.
I am also hoping that no coaching replacement announced means that they are still looking externally.
They need to get this right.
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Oh I see. Yes that has to be someone they’re looking at for sure. I don’t know much about the guy but is he from around here?
Absolutely. They need a 2nd/3rd round run this year if possible for experience and they need to go all in next year imo
Cooper was loyal to a fault. This should have happened last year, but to his credit this weekend he got it done and the team can move on. It’s early in the season and I think this team can do well with a good hockey guy behind the bench.
For the 3rd game in a row, I thought this team overcame the obstacles and put the other two losses behind them. Shows they have character and didn’t give up. Everyone was predicting a loss to Owen Sound but they got the job done. Vaccari played excellent, we won the face offs we needed to for possession and we played decently on special teams, there were no huge mistakes. Can’t blame the team in the 3rd being two guys down and getting scored on by a pretty lethal Owen Sound PP.
Frontsfan67 you have been pretty hard on Uens, I think he’s been one of our most reliable defensemen, he’s won the majority of puck battles, competes hard and always makes a good first pass. Also don’t think Ludwinski is getting traded for Chromiak no matter how many times you put it here.
For the 3rd game in a row, I thought this team overcame the obstacles and put the other two losses behind them. Shows they have character and didn’t give up. Everyone was predicting a loss to Owen Sound but they got the job done. Vaccari played excellent, we won the face offs we needed to for possession and we played decently on special teams, there were no huge mistakes. Can’t blame the team in the 3rd being two guys down and getting scored on by a pretty lethal Owen Sound PP.
Frontsfan67 you have been pretty hard on Uens, I think he’s been one of our most reliable defensemen, he’s won the majority of puck battles, competes hard and always makes a good first pass. Also don’t think Ludwinski is getting traded for Chromiak no matter how many times you put it here.
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Uens has not been our most reliable defenceman lol. He’s supposedly an offensive d man and has 1 assist through 11 games and is a -7 on third line minutes (in other words he’s not playing as much but still getting scored on as much) don’t think uens is the problem though but the lack of depth is. He wouldn’t be on any other contending teams defence he’s simply not good enough. The fronts picked him up last year hoping the change in scenery would be good for him and he would build from his rookie season in Owen sound that was great. He hasn’t done that and if anything he’s gotten worse. They gave up a 3rd round pick and Stewart I believe for him- that’s a trade kingston would want back for sure regardless of if you’re a hometown kid or not.
It’s not just me putting on about Chromiak lol Sudbury fans agree and some other fronts fans agree. If you don’t that’s fine- that’s your opinion
Fronts picked him up last year because they had no defense at the time. Injuries were depleting their blueline BAD, especially on the right side. He was a RHD that fit the bill. I don't think there was any offensive upside they saw, and if there was it's just an added bonus to him a RHD.
Frontenacs Announce Change to Coaching Staff - Kingston Frontenacs
Kingston Frontenacs General Manager Kory Cooper, has announced Monday that Head Coach Luca Caputi has been relieved of his duties. “Today was a difficult day coming to this decision to relieve Luca of his duties. After meeting with ownership, we believe this was a necessary move for this hockey...chl.ca
Caputi fired. Knew it was happening regardless of the outcome yesterday lol. Doesn’t help they almost blew a 4 goal lead too yesterday.
What I think is weird is they didn’t announce one of our assistants getting promoted right away. So that makes me think they’re going to go out and get a head coach for the remaining games.
Flint coach and Owen sound coach were both fired this year you’d have to think they’re looking at nhl, ahl echo and ohl coaches to fill the job. Not someone from jr a.
Anyone know of good coaches not on a team right now?
Thought the same thing! Just posted the same thing LOL. Great minds think alike
I agree Paul Ludwinski for Jakub Chromiak alone would be an overpayment. Chromiak has been overvalued since the signing of Dalibor Dvorsky. Trading him alone Sudbury would be lucky to get either a 2 and a 4th round draft picks or a depth player for him particularly because they have to trade him. I could see the Frontenacs trading Ludwinski to Sudbury in primarily a draft pick trade with Chromiak added to the trade to lessen the draft picks.
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I am of 2 minds and not sure which is better
1. hire the best available right now.. The problem with that is that it means a multi-year contract and the best available right now is probably not the best available after the season is over.
Hence, number 2 Kory takes over the bench with the assistants that they presently have, establishing some discipline on the team and getting through the season. This team is good enough that it will make the playoffs. This allows them more time to find a GOOD COACH for the next season and not a fill-in.
Personally, I like option 2 better for the franchise in the long run.
Thoughts?????
Also, those of you talking about trading players, please give it a rest. The only players that need to be traded are those who want out or do not want to play.
You can not trade for players without having a coach and finding out what the coach wants.
Solve or resolve the coaching situation then see what he needs.
1. hire the best available right now.. The problem with that is that it means a multi-year contract and the best available right now is probably not the best available after the season is over.
Hence, number 2 Kory takes over the bench with the assistants that they presently have, establishing some discipline on the team and getting through the season. This team is good enough that it will make the playoffs. This allows them more time to find a GOOD COACH for the next season and not a fill-in.
Personally, I like option 2 better for the franchise in the long run.
Thoughts?????
Also, those of you talking about trading players, please give it a rest. The only players that need to be traded are those who want out or do not want to play.
You can not trade for players without having a coach and finding out what the coach wants.
Solve or resolve the coaching situation then see what he needs.
Was all this Ludwinski wanting out stuff all related to coaching? Can this now die down with a new coach coming in or was it related to other items as well?
I’d rather keep Ludwinski and see how the new coach does with him and a D that seems to be getting back healthier. Trade for an OA D and then let’s see what happens. I prefer that route than trading with Sudbury and loading up a team in the conference.
I’d rather keep Ludwinski and see how the new coach does with him and a D that seems to be getting back healthier. Trade for an OA D and then let’s see what happens. I prefer that route than trading with Sudbury and loading up a team in the conference.
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I don’t think they would’ve thrown in the 3rd round pick if they didn’t see something out of him
Chromiak and picks not just Chromiak
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Was never about him wanting out. I’ve never heard he wanted out. Its more of a they need defence they’ll have Chromiak for 2 years and ludwinski is gone after this year.
Not to mention if they get Chromiak and pieniniemi comes to the ohl after WJC you trade pieniniemi or hemstrom to another team And get more picks. With that you have lots of picks to use next year when it is a go for it year.
This year is a retool/building year I think they can finish top 2/3 in conference and hopefully with that go to round 2/3 and get playoff experience. Then next year they’d be more set for playoff hockey and hopefully would result in a championship or championship appearance
Their defence is by far their biggest weakness and trading ludwinski you’d get the most out of the centres for this year (frasca/Hopkins big building blocks very important not going to be traded, so that leaves thibodeau, poole and ludwinski to be traded one of those 3.)
Obviously ludwinski will get the most so you trade him. He’s not head and shoulders better than anyone on this team but he will get the most of those 3.
If they’re ever going to have a competitive team they need competent defence and looking forward for next year they have burns and mcgowan. That’s it. And mcgowan isn’t even that great. He’s taken a leap this year but on some teams he won’t be in their top 6.
So they need a guy like Chromiak who will help the whole d core out this year and next year plus the pics to top it all off that can be used to acquire a high level player.
It would be a trade that would help both teams. Sudbury with their offence and kingston with their defence. And would benefit kingston for 2 full years and they’d get picks too out of it
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I think before yo start to look at players and think about anything the first thing this team needs is to establish a coaching team.
You do not want someone that has been fired by another team that just means that they are not OHL coaches.
Ludwinski if he can get his act together will get you more at the deadline than he will now.
Chromiak is an interesting piece but considers this. If he also thinks the coaching and staff set up is a joke will he come back next year? Doubtful
First establish the plan for a new coach. End that issue. That has to be more important than trading anyone.
Once the new coach is in place if you are hiring him long term see what he needs next year.
If Cooper is stepping behind the bench then he needs to see what he has and at that point, he can listen to offers and make the best deal possible.
There are other players in the league that teams would be willing to take.
As to Pienemmi do you really think he is going to want to come back here to be traded?
Also, do you really think anyone is going to offer anything huge for him?
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Troy Mann is the former Ahl coach of belleville sens. That’s who we’re talking about.
Yes ludwinski probably would however the defence needs to be addressed right now. A new coach won’t change much about that. They still need some depth and whether that’s from trading ludwinski to get Chromiak or trading for some good d man that’ll be top 3-4 this year and top 2 next year they still need the defence. They won’t ever go past the second round with this defence.
That’s why it makes sense. Ludwinski will probably get moved at some point this year. It would make sense to do that before god forbid an injury.
Meanwhile the defence sucks and that’s more of an issue than anything right now regardless of the coaching situation.
I think everyone agrees this is a building year with Sudbury so stacked no point in loading up when we’re so far behind them. Would be smart to get valuable pieces for next season especially sharpening their d core.
Martin, Jakubs brother played here for a few years and with Caputi gone I don’t see any problems occurring so yes obviously he would still come back.
Again I’ve said before I doubt Pieniniemi is coming however you never say never. Nobody ever thought Chromiak would come over and he did and he was great. And with Sudbury a week ago nobody thought Dvorsky would come over and sure enough he did. Pieniniemi could come over and get shopped to a different team and he’d still play I don’t see why he wouldn’t.
Again like I’ve said I doubt he comes over but if he did they could trade him easily for a second and a third minimum he’s a third round pick who’s played professional hockey in Finland. he likely would be here for just the 1 but is eligible for 2.
A 2005 born RD expected to be NHL drafted would be a nice addition to the team with 3-2005 born forwards selected in the first half of round 1 in the 2021 OHL draft.
The future coach is irrelevant in this regard.
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I'm not sure Troy Mann is the ideal coach. I think better to play out the year and make the playoffs. Win a series maybe and then hire a new coach that has been a qualified assistant on a winning team. to a multi-year contract
Once Kory and Springer have made the decision on coaching then by all means look at making traes. Just remember while we may think that Ludwinski for Chromiak my be a good deal
Abetter ne would be Mayer for Chromiak if you were the petes
Once Kory and Springer have made the decision on coaching then by all means look at making traes. Just remember while we may think that Ludwinski for Chromiak my be a good deal
Abetter ne would be Mayer for Chromiak if you were the petes
I lived in Belleville when Mann was coaching and I think he would be a good candidate here. His teams always worked hard. As for hiring an assistant coach on a winning team to a multi year contract means nothing in reality because every one of those coaches would have an out for an opportunity in the AHL or NHL so multi year means squat. Example see McFarlane, Paul. Believe he had a 3 year contract here.
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Just a point of clarity - Thibodeau isn't a centre. He's taken maybe 10-12 Faceoffs all season, and definately isn't playing C in a defensive zone in any capacity.
I like a lot of your takes and strong opinions Fronts67 but your take on the Uens kid is so wrong and off. I don't get your obsession with it. He has definitely been one of the most reliable D for the last bit and being used as such. Yes he is -7 on the year but look at the goal differential for this team so far (only Windsor and Eerie are worse) and Burns was just -7 in two games. Holmes -7 and McGowan -7. I love Holmes in the offensive zone but he is more of a liability in our D zone. Flat footed a lot and gets beat to loose pucks. You are the only one that ever says they got 44 to be offensive. He has been playing PK1 minutes all year and utilized primarily in a defensive role. I could be wrong but I don't think he has played any PP minutes this year until the last couple games. Again I'm not sure how close you watch the games. Just bc you are listed on third pairing doesn't mean a thing with this team. He is getting the same or more ice time as all D with the exception of maybe Burns who I would argue hasn't earned a single bit of that. Schneider has been the odd man out as they are mostly running with 5 and the pairings are in a blender after the first rotation. Who was it on here that had access to the "instat" (I think it's called) last year where you can view the actual player's time on ice for each game. I would bet anything that over the last 5-6 games Uens has played top 3 minutes.
And if you are worried about a players plus/minus...
Calliens -15
Soto -12
Miedema -11
Now some positives. That was a big win to salvage 2 points from that road trip against a high profile Owen Sound squad.
Cooper finally pulls the trigger on Caputi. I agree that the most likely scenario will be letting McFarland and Longo run things for the rest of this year for financial reasons. Hopefully they can instill some accountability into these players and an earn your ice time mentality and be rid of all this entitlement crap.
Is that speculation Ktownfan or do you have some inside info? That would be huge. Can't see Springer flipping the bill though.
I agree, I know lots think we wait, but he is an excellent coach. AHL experience. Demands hard work and detail from his guys.
Was let go from Belleville amid rumours that he divulged some scouting material of Ottawa. Never proven, but where there is smoke there is often fire. Fact remains he developed guys like Nick Paul in the minors and Mark Kastelic, now NHL regulars. Should be a great change
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