Kingston Frontenacs 2023-24 Season Thread (Part 2)

[Logosarejusttargets]

CHL clubs are permitted to carry only two import players on their team or protected list every year. However, if a CHL team has an Import who was an NHL first round pick they receive the opportunity to add another player to their protected list to cover should that first round import make the pro level. There are other scenarios which can allow you to carry the rights of three (such as having an OA Import, having an Import on their protected list who didn't show the year prior, having a player signed to an NHL contract on your list, etc). It is a pretty complicated process. (Credit to Ohl prospects for info)

 

[frontsfan67]

Actually you cannot have more than 2 per season:

CHL clubs are permitted to carry only two import players on their team or protected list every year


I'm not so sure Poole will be around next year. His icetime has dropped dramatically under Mann. While he still takes quite a few dzone faceoffs (less now that they have Dubois) he really only kills penalties and he and Heyes have both been used far less.

Thought you could have extras to protect but only 2 playing? Weird but thanks for clarification. Got that assumption reading over on London but I must’ve misinterpreted it.

So I assume that trading for Chromiak automatically threw out the rights of pieniniemi then?

Absolutely Poole won’t be around. Heyes might until the deadline as he is better offensively and at killing penalties but I don’t think either is going to be a part of the big picture there after the deadline next year

CHL clubs are permitted to carry only two import players on their team or protected list every year. However, if a CHL team has an Import who was an NHL first round pick they receive the opportunity to add another player to their protected list to cover should that first round import make the pro level. There are other scenarios which can allow you to carry the rights of three (such as having an OA Import, having an Import on their protected list who didn't show the year prior, having a player signed to an NHL contract on your list, etc). It is a pretty complicated process. (Credit to Ohl prospects for info)

Oh wow good to know

I guess pieniniemi would fall into 2 of the 3 categories haha

 

[Logosarejusttargets]

Thought you could have extras to protect but only 2 playing? Weird but thanks for clarification. Got that assumption reading over on London but I must’ve misinterpreted it.

So I assume that trading for Chromiak automatically threw out the rights of pieniniemi then?

Absolutely Poole won’t be around. Heyes might until the deadline as he is better offensively and at killing penalties but I don’t think either is going to be a part of the big picture there after the deadline next year


Oh wow good to know

I guess pieniniemi would fall into 2 of the 3 categories haha

its honestly quite ridiculous how complicated they make these rules.

 

[beastintheeast]

Thought you could have extras to protect but only 2 playing? Weird but thanks for clarification. Got that assumption reading over on London but I must’ve misinterpreted it.

So I assume that trading for Chromiak automatically threw out the rights of pieniniemi then?

Absolutely Poole won’t be around. Heyes might until the deadline as he is better offensively and at killing penalties but I don’t think either is going to be a part of the big picture there after the deadline next year


Oh wow good to know

I guess pieniniemi would fall into 2 of the 3 categories haha

Poole and Heyes may be on the way out that is possible. That adds to my question about picking up 2 OA D.

A lot is going to depend on who comes back and how they come back.


You have guys like Uen, who, at this stage, is probably coming out for the extra university year.

You have Chromiak, who will come back either having played in an NHL rookie camp or with a chip on his shoulder.

The bottom line for this team is that there are a lot of areas that are going to be questionable.

Goal - can you find a suitable 2 for Vaccari

Defence: who is going to step up, and how much are Velllarias and Williamson going to be more ready?

Do they draft an impact rookie D.

What centers are going to play LW.

I think that at the start of the season, you have to look at what you have, see what it does, and then prioritize the needs.

Does Cooper trade TYhibodeau?

What was the Salajko deal, and what happened to him?

 

[beastintheeast]

its honestly quite ridiculous how complicated they make these rules.

Myh simple understanding is that if you have a player that is drafted to the NHL (ROSSI)then you can make a pick to replace that person at the draft. However, if Rossi comes back to the OHL team then you have to release one of the players that you drafted.

Was thatnot part of the reason that Sudbury had to trade Chromiak.

 

[OMG67]

Myh simple understanding is that if you have a player that is drafted to the NHL (ROSSI)then you can make a pick to replace that person at the draft. However, if Rossi comes back to the OHL team then you have to release one of the players that you drafted.

Was thatnot part of the reason that Sudbury had to trade Chromiak.

Generally speaking, if you have an Import that was drafted int he 1st round, you are allowed to make a pick and protect three players. There are some other scenario’s that allow you to protect three. BUT, you can only sign two.

In Chromiak’s situation, he was signed as well as Vondas. But, they had drafted Dvorsky in 2022 and retained his rights because they only signed Chromiak.

Because Dvorsky was drafted in the 1st round in the 2023 NHL Draft, they were able to retain his rights AND draft Vondas.

Then after the season started, they signed Dvorsky and had (I think) 14 days to open a roster spot for him which meant they HAD TO trade Chromiak. Because Vondras was in his first year, they weren’t permitted to trade him until January. I guess they could have released him but I am not entirely sure what the rules are for waiving Imports.

 

[frontsfan67]

Poole and Heyes may be on the way out that is possible. That adds to my question about picking up 2 OA D.

A lot is going to depend on who comes back and how they come back.


You have guys like Uen, who, at this stage, is probably coming out for the extra university year.

You have Chromiak, who will come back either having played in an NHL rookie camp or with a chip on his shoulder.

The bottom line for this team is that there are a lot of areas that are going to be questionable.

Goal - can you find a suitable 2 for Vaccari

Defence: who is going to step up, and how much are Velllarias and Williamson going to be more ready?

Do they draft an impact rookie D.

What centers are going to play LW.

I think that at the start of the season, you have to look at what you have, see what it does, and then prioritize the needs.

Does Cooper trade TYhibodeau?

What was the Salajko deal, and what happened to him?

Poole and Heyes would never be OA’s on a team with aspirations for winning it all. Would be bad enough keeping 1 let alone 2

I agree I think uens is just playing for the free university tuition

100% need to find a 1a or 1b here to form a strong tandem. I believe the most likely scenario is from the import draft. I think hemstrom is gonna be gone after this year, and with pieniniemi you can hold his rights as he is a elc and didn’t report this year. I think first pick they pick a good goalie, second pick they pick a backup d man incase the pieniniemi experiment doesn’t work out next year.

Velliaris im hoping has his game grow lots and ends up replacing uens. I think they’d try and find a bottom feeder team for uens to trade to so he can still play top 4 minutes. Williamson I’m sure will be a good piece for them going forward.

I think they draft a good d man for sure but if all the good d are taken before they pick- then they’ll pick best available and confirm they would be open to a trade around the deadline (unless they come out of the gates leading rookies in scoring)

Also I understand people aren’t high on thibodeau, I’m not either however the facts are the facts- and the fact is he lead the team in scoring in all of 2023. I think that would be foolish to trade him away unless you’re getting a big upgrade or he requests out.

I think they were trying to inch him in but it doesn’t seem he is close to having the skill or confidence to be a backup. He is very young though so that’s the only thing I’ll say- young goalies almost always lack confidence playing at a higher level

 

[beastintheeast]

Poole and Heyes would never be OA’s on a team with aspirations for winning it all. Would be bad enough keeping 1 let alone 2

I agree I think uens is just playing for the free university tuition

100% need to find a 1a or 1b here to form a strong tandem. I believe the most likely scenario is from the import draft. I think hemstrom is gonna be gone after this year, and with pieniniemi you can hold his rights as he is a elc and didn’t report this year. I think first pick they pick a good goalie, second pick they pick a backup d man incase the pieniniemi experiment doesn’t work out next year.

Velliaris im hoping has his game grow lots and ends up replacing uens. I think they’d try and find a bottom feeder team for uens to trade to so he can still play top 4 minutes. Williamson I’m sure will be a good piece for them going forward.

I think they draft a good d man for sure but if all the good d are taken before they pick- then they’ll pick best available and confirm they would be open to a trade around the deadline (unless they come out of the gates leading rookies in scoring)

Also I understand people aren’t high on thibodeau, I’m not either however the facts are the facts- and the fact is he lead the team in scoring in all of 2023. I think that would be foolish to trade him away unless you’re getting a big upgrade or he requests out.

I think they were trying to inch him in but it doesn’t seem he is close to having the skill or confidence to be a backup. He is very young though so that’s the only thing I’ll say- young goalies almost always lack confidence playing at a higher level

Pool and Heyes will start the season with the team unless they can package them to someone else. How long they stay is going to depend on them and who the Fronts either draft or can trade for.

I think the first 2 rounds have to be a defenceman or LW.

Thibodeau is an offense contributor but the question has to be a wonder as to what his father does. If this item is going to run, you do not need to be fighting with a parent as to what you want your player to play. Because he is good they will get a good player in return.

Isee the top 4 starting the season as

Burns Chromiak
McGowan Wiliamson
Vellarias Uen
Euro draft pick

I think you will see the bottom 4 change as the season goes on.

 

[HockeyPops]

I guess they could have released him but I am not entirely sure what the rules are for waiving Imports.

Waiving imports is the same. London waived Kolyachonok (sp?) A few years back and Flint claimed him.

 

[ktownfan]

I think Poole and heyes can add alot to the team, them being OA's does affect their value and positioning though

 

[Logosarejusttargets]

I think Poole and heyes can add alot to the team, them being OA's does affect their value and positioning though

Poole has lost several steps, he's constantly hurt/hurting and while he is a good faceoff man, his overall effectiveness is diminished. One can make a case ofr Heyes to be a 4th line/PK guy - as he still has the speed to be effective.

 

[beastintheeast]

Poole has lost several steps, he's constantly hurt/hurting and while he is a good faceoff man, his overall effectiveness is diminished. One can make a case ofr Heyes to be a 4th line/PK guy - as he still has the speed to be effective.

looking at the present line you have 10 returning forwards and 6 defence players. I would assume that you will draft at least 1 fwd in the coming draft. Also, you will draft a Euro fwd. That being the case, while they may not be stars unless some young guns come into camp and blow Mann and Cooper away, they should make the team.

I think it is safe to say that they will both be in the starting lineup next year.

 

[OMG67]

Waiving imports is the same. London waived Kolyachonok (sp?) A few years back and Flint claimed him.

Was that in his first season?

 

[HockeyPops]

Was that in his first season?

Yes, correct. London got back Boqvist from his NHL team. London could have traded Boqvist because he was in his second year, but instead waived Kolyachonok who was not eligible to be traded.

 

[OMG67]

Yes, correct. London got back Boqvist from his NHL team. London could have traded Boqvist because he was in his second year, but instead waived Kolyachonok who was not eligible to be traded.

OK. Perfect. That’s what I assumed the rule was. I was surprised in a way that Ottawa didn’t try to trade/waive Korbler or Uronen when Chromiak was available. I RHD that could play on our 3rd pairing of his calibre would look pretty good right now. When you consider what some of the D-Men went for at the deadline, I think the 2nd-4th-6th would have been a reasonable deal for Ottawa in hindsight, especially as an ‘05 that would return next year too!

 

[frontsfan67]

looking at the present line you have 10 returning forwards and 6 defence players. I would assume that you will draft at least 1 fwd in the coming draft. Also, you will draft a Euro fwd. That being the case, while they may not be stars unless some young guns come into camp and blow Mann and Cooper away, they should make the team.

I think it is safe to say that they will both be in the starting lineup next year.

Beast they have weir who will be on the team next year. That’ll be 11 and probably have room for some people to be signed out of training camp or a trade for someone to get to 12/13

A euro forward would be the worst thing they could do. That’s the last thing they need from the import draft. They need a goalie first, if not then another d man that can be high impact. 0 chance they go and get a forward with how deep they are up front for next year. Even in the ohl draft I don’t see them drafting a forward first round unless all the good d are gone- in that case they pick the best available player and might ship that piece in a trade later in the year if they’re not high impact like roobroeck or Martin level from this past draft for example(but we won’t get that level midway through the first round probably anyways)

Also about Poole and Heyes I’ve been saying they could still be here come training camp. But no team trying to win a championship is having those two as 2/3 of their overagers. No offence to them.

 

[beastintheeast]

Beast they have weir who will be on the team next year. That’ll be 11 and probably have room for some people to be signed out of training camp or a trade for someone to get to 12/13

A euro forward would be the worst thing they could do. That’s the last thing they need from the import draft. They need a goalie first, if not then another d man that can be high impact. 0 chance they go and get a forward with how deep they are up front for next year. Even in the ohl draft I don’t see them drafting a forward first round unless all the good d are gone- in that case they pick the best available player and might ship that piece in a trade later in the year if they’re not high impact like roobroeck or Martin level from this past draft for example(but we won’t get that level midway through the first round probably anyways)

Also about Poole and Heyes I’ve been saying they could still be here come training camp. But no team trying to win a championship is having those two as 2/3 of their overagers. No offence to them.

I find that with the Euro draft, in a lot of cases, it is the BPA that will show up. Also, while I agree that a goalie may be the position you need, getting a forward would not be the end of the world as you would be able to release Poole or Heyes.

 

[frontsfan67]

I find that with the Euro draft, in a lot of cases, it is the BPA that will show up. Also, while I agree that a goalie may be the position you need, getting a forward would not be the end of the world as you would be able to release Poole or Heyes.

Yes I think it wouldn’t be the worst thing ever but as far as positional needs go it wouldn’t be the brightest. Would make more sense to build through the import draft whether it’s a goalie or defence that way you don’t give up as many assets trading for one later in the year

They’ve had pretty good goalies picked in the last few years- meralainen and zhigalov. Didn’t have the best numbers but were good goalies for us when we had even weaker defence then we do now. Vaccari has bad numbers this year but he keeps us in the games a lot of times and the whole average save percentage across the league is down this year so it’s not too much to worry about I don’t think.

If we weren’t playing the rookies as much for example I believe that would help his numbers but whether it’s injuries or people taking stupid suspensions or penalties that’s been the theme this year and something they need to improve on before playoffs.

 

[frontsfan67]

I find that with the Euro draft, in a lot of cases, it is the BPA that will show up. Also, while I agree that a goalie may be the position you need, getting a forward would not be the end of the world as you would be able to release Poole or Heyes.

Also I think Poole will be getting traded/released. Has injuries have taken a toll on his play this year- he has turned soft and not going in as many corners for example either. In other words he can’t play his role as well. I think they would be better off getting an oa next year that would be more effective than Poole.

Heyes is a really good pk guy, fast , sticks up for teammates and is more skilled and a winger. Might keep him around until the deadline then if they wanna blow their brains out I wouldn’t be surprised to see him traded. But because of how good he is on the pk, his speed etc it may make it harder to move him as he would be more valuable to our team rather than anything we get back for him.

 

[beastintheeast]

Also I think Poole will be getting traded/released. Has injuries have taken a toll on his play this year- he has turned soft and not going in as many corners for example either. In other words he can’t play his role as well. I think they would be better off getting an oa next year that would be more effective than Poole.

Heyes is a really good pk guy, fast , sticks up for teammates and is more skilled and a winger. Might keep him around until the deadline then if they wanna blow their brains out I wouldn’t be surprised to see him traded. But because of how good he is on the pk, his speed etc it may make it harder to move him as he would be more valuable to our team rather than anything we get back for him.

All I am saying is that it is possible that they do not find a goalie, but if you find a forward that wants to come here, it is better than nothing.

As to the Poole and Heyes it is going to depend on who comes to camp and if they can be replaced at least at the start of the season. Look how long they kept Callen.

 

[Logosarejusttargets]

Also I think Poole will be getting traded/released. Has injuries have taken a toll on his play this year- he has turned soft and not going in as many corners for example either. In other words he can’t play his role as well. I think they would be better off getting an oa next year that would be more effective than Poole.

Heyes is a really good pk guy, fast , sticks up for teammates and is more skilled and a winger. Might keep him around until the deadline then if they wanna blow their brains out I wouldn’t be surprised to see him traded. But because of how good he is on the pk, his speed etc it may make it harder to move him as he would be more valuable to our team rather than anything we get back for him.

I hear Poole is hurt and not playing tonight- I guess we will see when Lineups posted.

 

[dirty12]

It will be important to get off to a good start next season. I think it would be a good idea for Kingston to acquire 3-OAs at the start of the season while there is a surplus and prices are reasonable.
I would just select the BPA in the import draft. If Chromiak and Pieniniemi are the two on the team, great. If not, make 2-D and a goalie the team’s OAs.

 

[frontsfan67]

All I am saying is that it is possible that they do not find a goalie, but if you find a forward that wants to come here, it is better than nothing.

As to the Poole and Heyes it is going to depend on who comes to camp and if they can be replaced at least at the start of the season. Look how long they kept Callen.

Yes might be here at the start of the year. Highly doubtful they will be after trade deadline that’s what I’ve been saying

 

[dirty12]

Yes might be here at the start of the year. Highly doubtful they will be after trade deadline that’s what I’ve been saying

Can save the team two player cards and at least two semesters of tuition by not having a couple of temporary OAs at the start of the season.

 

[leafs4life94]

Tyler Hopkins needs to play more. The kid is a stud and I've got full confidence he'll be able to step into the top 6 next year in place of Ludwinski.

Can anyone with OnStat tell me how much Velliaris played? I honestly don't think he played more than 5 minutes...

The top 6 really did nothing - goals from McNamara, Hopkins and Heyes - I know the PP was missing Holmes and Schmidt for the point shots but they've gotta be able to adjust.