Kingston Frontenacs 2023-24 Season Thread (Part 2)

[OMG67]

Yeah, looks like we maybe should have traded Ludwinski after all! Is it too late? Lol.

Can’t even beat Oshawa. Yikes.

It is only one bad weekend. Nothing to go crazy about. I’m just poking a little fun.

I do feel Kingston should have sold because of the landscape but it doesn't mean there won’t be some positives. But, again, one weekend won’t make or break them.

On a positive note, Ottawa had a strong weekend. They played outstanding today. A return to normal today. It was a loss but they did outplay Kitchener quite A bit. Go figure though. The one game they had a hard time (Friday) they won. The game they played great, they lose. That’s hockey for you!

 

[ottsabrefan]

It is only one bad weekend. Nothing to go crazy about. I’m just poking a little fun.

I do feel Kingston should have sold because of the landscape but it doesn't mean there won’t be some positives. But, again, one weekend won’t make or break them.

On a positive note, Ottawa had a strong weekend. They played outstanding today. A return to normal today. It was a loss but they did outplay Kitchener quite A bit. Go figure though. The one game they had a hard time (Friday) they won. The game they played great, they lose. That’s hockey for you!

That’s true. Though if it carries on longer it will. Lol. I still would have preferred to move Ludwinski for a one year younger impact player to go for it both years, but have an extra asset for next year.

Glad to see your chicken sacrifice wasn’t for naught!

 

[beastintheeast]

Kingston is in full meltdown mode. Heyes and his coach are more concerned about engaging with us in Section 115 than focusing on the game. Even the trainer has come out to try and yap at us during the intermission. Laughable how easily they’ve been thrown off their game.

Best comment I ever heard about you guys was when a bunch tried to get under our skin and they asked Killer why I did not respond. It was one of my thank you's from killer letting me work equipment on a road trip.

His coment was that I love to talk but only to educated people. Got quiet after that.

 

[beastintheeast]

Our seats are in Section 115 and I can assure you that absolutely NOTHING was thrown from the stands.

We were riding Poole early on for cowering like a turtle instead of fighting. And Schmidt for being so terrible. Even the back up goalie was laughing at some of the taunts.

Then Meyer started trying to yap back and he got taunted mercilessly. At one point he threw a check while killing a penalty and came back to the bench screaming at us as if he’d accomplished something.

You absolutely CANNOT acknowledge the fans taunting - - especially not when you’re getting completely thrashed in the game.

Clearly Kingston has played like trash in both games this weekend and are frustrated about it.

But to let the fans get in your head so badly as they did tonight shows how mentally fragile their team is.

LOL, every arena has its great fans. Ottawa used to have a bunch behind the visiting goal. also, we used to love doing it from behind the bench.

There are a lot of guys that feed off the fans. Ling Linseman and Galbraith loved it.

I know of one Gen that really hated it, and that was because the taunting was usually at Mommy for anything he did on the ice.

Killer response was simple: You want to shut them up, either drill a player into the board or score a goal.

 

[OMG67]

That’s true. Though if it carries on longer it will. Lol. I still would have preferred to move Ludwinski for a one year younger impact player to go for it both years, but have an extra asset for next year.

Glad to see your chicken sacrifice wasn’t for naught!

Yup. Chicken run scared around these parts!

That kind of trade is always tough to make. Usually teams wanting players like Ludwinski won’t trade 18 year olds that are impact players because they need them. I think the best plan was to try to mimic the Donovan deal and pull in 8 high picks, fill the draft cabinet and use them as needed. Picks provide a lot of flexibility. Use them to draft or use them to acquire pieces when the time is right. Push them forward and add more depth picks doing so. Lots of options.

 

[frontsfan67]

Our seats are in Section 115 and I can assure you that absolutely NOTHING was thrown from the stands.

We were riding Poole early on for cowering like a turtle instead of fighting. And Schmidt for being so terrible. Even the back up goalie was laughing at some of the taunts.

Then Meyer started trying to yap back and he got taunted mercilessly. At one point he threw a check while killing a penalty and came back to the bench screaming at us as if he’d accomplished something.

You absolutely CANNOT acknowledge the fans taunting - - especially not when you’re getting completely thrashed in the game.

Clearly Kingston has played like trash in both games this weekend and are frustrated about it.

But to let the fans get in your head so badly as they did tonight shows how mentally fragile their team is.

Probably because there wasn’t a bus trip lol. Happens every time there is one whether it’s getting beer poured on you, popcorn thrown at you or a drunk trying to fight- Oshawa never disappoints.


gotta remember they’re just 16-21 they’re not pros- probably not used to people screaming and yelling at you. I’m sure it would happen to any team. I’m not sure who Meyer is, if you mean the coach he is Mann.

 

[frontsfan67]

Yeah, looks like we maybe should have traded Ludwinski after all! Is it too late? Lol.

Can’t even beat Oshawa. Yikes.

Don’t know why you are saying that like Oshawa isn’t good. Their last 10 games believe they’re 7-3 or something like that and have played good teams like Kitchener, Saginaw, soo etc. and that was before getting punnett and sandhu.

They’re a real good team and as I said when they got punnett and sandhu don’t be surprised if the win the division. Imo they look WAY better than Ottawa.

#9 Heyes.

Heyes fought later in the game and won against the bigger man bedkowski

 

[beastintheeast]

Probably because there wasn’t a bus trip lol. Happens every time there is one whether it’s getting beer poured on you, popcorn thrown at you or a drunk trying to fight- Oshawa never disappoints.


gotta remember they’re just 16-21 they’re not pros- probably not used to people screaming and yelling at you. I’m sure it would happen to any team. I’m not sure who Meyer is, if you mean the coach he is Mann.

These kids have faced fan taunting most of their time in Major Rep hockey. Oakville used to have a school teacher who would make the fans cry. She was just mean.

 

[Truthking]

Our seats are in Section 115 and I can assure you that absolutely NOTHING was thrown from the stands.

We were riding Poole early on for cowering like a turtle instead of fighting. And Schmidt for being so terrible. Even the back up goalie was laughing at some of the taunts.

Then Meyer started trying to yap back and he got taunted mercilessly. At one point he threw a check while killing a penalty and came back to the bench screaming at us as if he’d accomplished something.

You absolutely CANNOT acknowledge the fans taunting - - especially not when you’re getting completely thrashed in the game.

Clearly Kingston has played like trash in both games this weekend and are frustrated about it.

But to let the fans get in your head so badly as they did tonight shows how mentally fragile their team is.

Heckling kids, and then bragging about it after the fact is very strange. You seem really happy with yourself.

 

[dirty12]

Yup. Chicken run scared around these parts!

That kind of trade is always tough to make. Usually teams wanting players like Ludwinski won’t trade 18 year olds that are impact players because they need them. I think the best plan was to try to mimic the Donovan deal and pull in 8 high picks, fill the draft cabinet and use them as needed. Picks provide a lot of flexibility. Use them to draft or use them to acquire pieces when the time is right. Push them forward and add more depth picks doing so. Lots of options.

I thought moving Ludwinski would be best for Kingston even though like Flint, Kingston could have been mocked for having a mixed deadline similar to Brantford. I find it odd Brantford is praised while Flint is said to have no direction when having a very similar approach.
Brantford moved out picks for a graduating import, then moved out Donovan for a boat load of picks. They followed that by moving ‘06 born 2nd & 3rd picked players for picks; moved out picks for an OA import; moved an overage option on D for an ‘06 D and picks; and lastly moved out picks for an overage option at forward.

 

[ktownfan]

This is our team, all this talk of what we should have done??? We got pounded by oshawa. Our goaltending is weak, we jumped the gun thinking we had a stud in Vaccari. He is a good ohl goalie, not great. I watched our guys smiling and joking on the bench when we down 8-1 !!! What is that. I guess it's the way of the world these days. Good thing battaglia is on our team or we would be in real trouble.

 

[OMG67]

I thought moving Ludwinski would be best for Kingston even though like Flint, Kingston could have been mocked for having a mixed deadline similar to Brantford. I find it odd Brantford is praised while Flint is said to have no direction when having a very similar approach.
Brantford moved out picks for a graduating import, then moved out Donovan for a boat load of picks. They followed that by moving ‘06 born 2nd & 3rd picked players for picks; moved out picks for an OA import; moved an overage option on D for an ‘06 D and picks; and lastly moved out picks for an overage option at forward.

Adding Dubois to replace Luwinski would have made sense if the Ludwinski deal netted them 8 picks. They essentially use three picks to acquire Dubois. They net five new picks.

 

[Logosarejusttargets]

Heckling kids, and then bragging about it after the fact is very strange. You seem really happy with yourself.

I was thinking the same thing. Add to that that "Donny" actually felt the need to not only post during the actual game but was compelled to post on the Fronts forum pages too....It's almost like Donny is one of my old fave General followers "GensUpdate" ...

 

[dirty12]

Adding Dubois to replace Luwinski would have made sense if the Ludwinski deal netted them 8 picks. They essentially use three picks to acquire Dubois. They net five new picks.

Dubois would have made sense adding any picks in a Ludwinski trade. Frasca as a #1 centre and Hopkins as a #2 would be an unnecessary injury risk at this time.
All I said was Kingston could have at least evened up assets used for Schmidt and Dubois if having a mixed deadline like Brantford and Flint.

 

[OMG67]

Dubois would have made sense adding any picks in a Ludwinski trade. Frasca as a #1 centre and Hopkins as a #2 would be an unnecessary injury risk at this time.
All I said was Kingston could have at least evened up assets used for Schmidt and Dubois if having a mixed deadline like Brantford and Flint.

Actually, the Schmidt trade was offset by Budnick. But, I get what you are saying.

There is nothing wrong with doing a sell off and adding players. You have to ice a team. But, selling OA’s and adding other high priced OAs doesn’t make sense if you are actually selling. Adn that is what the issue was in FLint. Trade away Kressler for 2-3-5 and then flip a 2-3 for Mancini doesn’t make a lot of sense If they are in fact selling. To me, they didn’t go in wanting to sell. They took some extra assets and reconfigured the roster.

They didn’t want to bottom out. That doesnt’ seem part of their plan.

 

[ottsabrefan]

Don’t know why you are saying that like Oshawa isn’t good. Their last 10 games believe they’re 7-3 or something like that and have played good teams like Kitchener, Saginaw, soo etc. and that was before getting punnett and sandhu.

They’re a real good team and as I said when they got punnett and sandhu don’t be surprised if the win the division. Imo they look WAY better than Ottawa.


Heyes fought later in the game and won against the bigger man bedkowski

Because that is a team we were 3-1 against on the season and isn’t one of the top teams in the league. It wasn’t just one game but a home and home and we lost both.

 

[ottsabrefan]

I was thinking the same thing. Add to that that "Donny" actually felt the need to not only post during the actual game but was compelled to post on the Fronts forum pages too....It's almost like Donny is one of my old fave General followers "GensUpdate" ...

I was thinking it was GensUpdate as well. With a classic troll on the Fronts board telling us after their players steamrolled us out how the fans gave it to our players as well.

 

[dirty12]

Actually, the Schmidt trade was offset by Budnick. But, I get what you are saying.

There is nothing wrong with doing a sell off and adding players. You have to ice a team. But, selling OA’s and adding other high priced OAs doesn’t make sense if you are actually selling. Adn that is what the issue was in FLint. Trade away Kressler for 2-3-5 and then flip a 2-3 for Mancini doesn’t make a lot of sense If they are in fact selling. To me, they didn’t go in wanting to sell. They took some extra assets and reconfigured the roster.

It made a lot of sense for Flint imo; a physical D does more for that roster than Kressler. If you want to quibble, it cost Flint to make the classy move of sending Giroux home to finish his OHL career on a contending team.
Overall, I think Flint successfully built towards the future while remaining just as competitive. Flint in no way needs a couple of more 3rds as much as looking promising to agents and prospects.

I think Flint made arguably the best trade at the deadline with Hayes. Saginaw acquiring Donovan for picks that does not include any in 2024 might be better actually. To me, the best trade by Brantford was; VanVliet for Protz, 2, 2, 3.

 

[OMG67]

Because that is a team we were 3-1 against on the season and isn’t one of the top teams in the league. It wasn’t just one game but a home and home and we lost both.

At the end of the day, the Eastern Conference doesn’t have one team that is demonstrably good from an overwhelming perspective. Maybe North Bay could be that team? But, there really isn’t an overwhelming favourite. So, in light of that, I agree that you can't lose games 8-2 inter division. The other teams aren’t strong enough.

The issue in Kingston and will likely be the remainder of the year is the inability to control goals against in any meaningful way on any sort of consistent basis. Oshawa and Ottawa have a greater ability to control goals agaiNst. Both teams play more responsibly. That will give each team a better chance of winning games they shouldn’t win. Those one goal game wins add up over the course of the season.

Like I said, it is one weekend. Every team will go through a bad stretch for a week or two. It happens. Play gets loose, players get bored and lazy. Sometimes they get a little banged up for a small stretch. They are young players and that happens all the time. I wouldn’t look too much into it at this point.

As much as I poke fun at Kingston, they aren’t a bad team. They are learning a new system and it takes a full season for the team to round into shape under a new system. Learning curve takes time. The team will be 100% better off next year once they have had enough time to build a new culture under new management/coaching.

 

[ScoutLife4]

I was thinking the same thing. Add to that that "Donny" actually felt the need to not only post during the actual game but was compelled to post on the Fronts forum pages too....It's almost like Donny is one of my old fave General followers "GensUpdate" ...

He would have blocked you by now if he was Generals Updates on Twitter.
Guy likes to dish it out but cant take it in return.
I have never seen someone get made fun of for their ridiculously bad takes on hockey as much as that guy does.

 

[OMG67]

It made a lot of sense for Flint imo; a physical D does more for that roster than Kressler. If you want to quibble, it cost Flint to make the classy move of sending Giroux home to finish his OHL career on a contending team.

I think Flint made arguably the best trade at the deadline with Hayes. Saginaw acquiring Donovan for picks that does not include any in 2024 might be better actually. To me, the best trade by Brantford was; VanVliet for Protz, 2, 2, 3.

That VanVliet deal was outstanding. Shocking actually. Such a savvy move. I agree that may very well be the best move. I know a lot look at the Petes deals but Protz is a great little player plus the picks. It may not be a 16 year old 1st but that deal specifically shows how well the stance of acquiring the 17 year old can work compared to the 16 year old.

 

[ScoutLife4]

Probably because there wasn’t a bus trip lol. Happens every time there is one whether it’s getting beer poured on you, popcorn thrown at you or a drunk trying to fight- Oshawa never disappoints.


gotta remember they’re just 16-21 they’re not pros- probably not used to people screaming and yelling at you. I’m sure it would happen to any team. I’m not sure who Meyer is, if you mean the coach he is Mann.

A couple years ago a bus or 2 full of Drunk Hamilton fans came to Kingston and were trying to fight anyone they could. -They were so drunk before the first period started that some of them could not even talk.
There was at least 5 that got taken out by the police the Security at the LC couldnt get them to leave.

 

[ottsabrefan]

Yup. Chicken run scared around these parts!

That kind of trade is always tough to make. Usually teams wanting players like Ludwinski won’t trade 18 year olds that are impact players because they need them. I think the best plan was to try to mimic the Donovan deal and pull in 8 high picks, fill the draft cabinet and use them as needed. Picks provide a lot of flexibility. Use them to draft or use them to acquire pieces when the time is right. Push them forward and add more depth picks doing so. Lots of options.

It might be tough to do player wise but I agree picks wise could also get it to work. My idea is to lessen the blow of Ludwinski leaving. Mathematically it’d be like having this years loss of him 75%, with next year’s player being almost equivalent in a years time. So, essentially you get 175% or so. What we did is kept the 100% for this year (0% next year). What trading picks for next year does is pushes that 100% for next year (and 0% this year).

So, to get up over that total 100%, you’d need a trade like Cliff Pu (19) for Nathan Dunkley (17), where this time we acquire a Dunkley for this season but have him for next year. Taking the picks as you say, and trading for a 17 or 18 year or old THIS year also would have done the trick.

I know it is water under the bridge at this point.

 

[dirty12]

He would have blocked you by now if he was Generals Updates on Twitter.
Guy likes to dish it out but cant take it in return.
I have never seen someone get made fun of for their ridiculously bad takes on hockey as much as that guy does.

This ‘new guy’ is well on his way though.

 

[leafs4life94]

They NEED a win against OS on Friday - they're reeling a little bit too coming of a 10-0 drubbing so one of these teams is gonna snap out of it. If they play the way they've played these last three games they've got no shot at anything and it'll end up with another first round exit.

I had been a big Vaccari defender but I'm starting to change my tune a bit - I thought the athleticism could overcome the size issue but doubts are creeping in...

He would have blocked you by now if he was Generals Updates on Twitter.
Guy likes to dish it out but cant take it in return.
I have never seen someone get made fun of for their ridiculously bad takes on hockey as much as that guy does.

I masochistically like checking it out just to see the hot takes he's got - especially when a game devolves physically. By far the worst one was saying Hopkins jumped Delisle - then throwing a gutless chirp at him when Punnett rocked him by saying that's what happens when he goes at someone from the front - of course an 200lbs+ OA is gonna be able to outmuscle at 160lbs 16 year old.

That being said - I don't think Donnie is GU - I've seen Donnie fairly criticize the Gens, something our old friend would never do.