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Kings Win 5-3; RP Is Sweet, Not Salty

Buddy The Elf said:
Granted, he could easily replace Stoll's (black) hole next season. That ain't sayin' much. And that sounded gross. You have to pay the troll toll if you want to fill Stoll's hole.
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I'm glad i've read your entire post

Pay the troll toll if you want to fill Stoll's hole...


Very skillful
 
Richie10 said:
It's hard to have a rational discussion about that on this board. You have a vocal few who inexplicably seem to believe Quick is falling apart. And then then you have the majority which freaks the hell out at that and claims almost every goal he let's in was the fault of someone else.

The reality is somewhere in the middle there. With better D, yes, obviously Quick's save pct would go up. But he's also struggling. That's plain. He's not making that big save when the team needs it sometimes, and that's cost the team points.

No, he's not awful. But guys like Lundqvist and Price have carried terrible Ds, so I dunno. Quick is definitely not chasing a Vezina this year.
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I think neither position is correct. The way the Kings play, they do not give up too many shots against. And the shots that go through are redirected or (atleast lately) based on odd man rushes. By limiting shots to about 20 a game, and atleast 2 goals going in on such changes, Quick or any other goalie playing for the Kings wont have a high save percentage.
 
Buddy The Elf said:
Lets be objective for a second. Nolan has played well the past few weeks. But prior to that, i think he was playing his worst hockey since getting called up in 2012. Nolan can be effective when he skates, hits and puts pucks on net. But the few games he was in prior to the past two weeks, he was pretty bad.

I'm definitely not a King hater. I get what he brings to the team and he is an effective player. He has definitely turned it up a notch the past couple weeks. The recent play of guys like Nolan and King is exactly what the Kings needed. I hope they continue that for the next few months.

I'll give Nick Shore credit for looking much more like an NHL player than Andreoff but I still haven't seen much. Granted, he could easily replace Stoll's (black) hole next season. That ain't sayin' much. And that sounded gross. You have to pay the troll toll if you want to fill Stoll's hole.
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Shore has not stood out at all during his call up like Toffoli or Pearson. However, the one thing I can say about him is that he is not a liability. I think Pearson had a somewhat slow start as well, so hopefully he gets some swagger to his game before the playoffs.
 
Just wondering...

Does anyone else think that Jordan Nolan is playing his way out of Sutter's doghouse? People have often speculated on whether or not Dean should trade Nolan, but it's pretty clear to me that he still has a nice combination of skill, speed, and physical play that is very useful on the 4th line.

If Stoll moves on after this season it seems like a good idea to me, unless Dean signs a UFA center, to hang on to Nolan. If the Kings lose Stoll and don't replace him from outside the organization, it seems to me that Nolan would no longer be an extra forward.
 
AlphaBravo said:
Shore has not stood out at all during his call up like Toffoli or Pearson. However, the one thing I can say about him is that he is not a liability. I think Pearson had a somewhat slow start as well, so hopefully he gets some swagger to his game before the playoffs.
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I don't know how many folks remember this, but Pearson was terrible his first call up or two. He often found himself standing around watching the play. At least Shore is involved and is moving his feet.

I wish that he was winning a few more board battles, but I think that will come in time.
 
KINGS17 said:
Just wondering...

Does anyone else think that Jordan Nolan is playing his way out of Sutter's doghouse? People have often speculated on whether or not Dean should trade Nolan, but it's pretty clear to me that he still has a nice combination of skill, speed, and physical play that is very useful on the 4th line.

If Stoll moves on after this season it seems like a good idea to me, unless Dean signs a UFA center, to hang on to Nolan. If the Kings lose Stoll and don't replace him from outside the organization, it seems to me that Nolan would no longer be an extra forward.
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If a team offers something of value for Nolan than the kings should deal him. he provides value in the fact that he doesn't cost a lot but IMO can be replaced.
 
Ron said:
He has it in him, and his skating speed is unappreciated as well. He just doesn't get a lot of ice time on that fourth line. Guy brings a lot to the table here but fans just want to play fantasy hockey and trade the guy. He has value and a lot of fans don't get it; just like they didn't get King and want him gone too.
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As others have said Nolan was pretty awful all year until recently...he wasnt really doing anything but turning the puck over high in the zone. I'm glad he's putting it together because I think we all agree he has it in him, he's funnily still very raw, but there's a lot of latent skill to go with his package of speed/physicality.

Richie10 said:
It's hard to have a rational discussion about that on this board. You have a vocal few who inexplicably seem to believe Quick is falling apart. And then then you have the majority which freaks the hell out at that and claims almost every goal he let's in was the fault of someone else.

The reality is somewhere in the middle there. With better D, yes, obviously Quick's save pct would go up. But he's also struggling. That's plain. He's not making that big save when the team needs it sometimes, and that's cost the team points.

No, he's not awful. But guys like Lundqvist and Price have carried terrible Ds, so I dunno. Quick is definitely not chasing a Vezina this year.
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I can agree with this. We suppress shot volume, but not quality chances. Coupled with Quick not getting that extra save, it hurts his save %. It's hard to criticize him on the first tip because that was just like the Canada-USA game, a mid-to-high-tip that takes advantage of his style. The second goal was on incidental contact after he made the first two saves. The last one was on a quick turnover to high slot shot. I think most other years, though, Quick has at least that one. But it is what it is.

Look at Quick's save % in games we're outshot, especially massively, vs. games which we're corsi-ing hard. It's kinda sad, honestly. Luckily, this year people don't REALLY have the Jones/Scrivezina save % to reflect on, because it's happened to Jones, too.


Ollie Weeks said:
I've seen some posts nipping at his heels after last night, which is mind-boggling. He, Gaborik and Lewis were running rampant in Calgary's zone every other shift. Lots of aggressive possession, lots of shots on goal, he exahausted the Flames into a sketchy line change that provided Nolan with space for his howitzer. Great game from him, and all the forwards to be honest. Even more honestly, all the forwards, except Stoll.
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Yup, the work Kopi's line put in helped wreck the flames, that's exhausting to defend.

KINGS17 said:
I don't know how many folks remember this, but Pearson was terrible his first call up or two. He often found himself standing around watching the play. At least Shore is involved and is moving his feet.

I wish that he was winning a few more board battles, but I think that will come in time.
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I think that Shore plays the game a lil differently, at least up here. He wasn't one for aggressive puck pursuit and smashing people along the boards, he's letting the game come to him instead. That's not bad, but as his reads improve, I'd like to see him use those smarts to sneak up and get a stick on the puck deeper in the zone instead of lingering in the high slot/blueline area. But again, learning curve.

I also have no idea what his physical game is like anyway
 
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KINGS17 said:
I don't know how many folks remember this, but Pearson was terrible his first call up or two. He often found himself standing around watching the play. At least Shore is involved and is moving his feet.

I wish that he was winning a few more board battles, but I think that will come in time.
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Pearson was awful up until he was called up before the playoffs last year. He looked like a much different player then. His first NHL goal at the beginning of the season was a whiff that trickled in.

I keep bringing up Shore because it really irks me that people constantly fill prospect into positions when they haven't done squat at the NHL level. Shore is yesteryear's Andreoff. And I don't need to be explained that they are different players. The bottom line is a prospect is a prospect until proven otherwise. Shore has looked ok but definitely hasn't stood out (good or bad) in the limited minutes he is getting but at this point he is in no way a shoe in for the 3rd line center position should Richards and Stoll not be in that slot next year.
 
I'd take the fact that Shore hasn't stood out as a good thing. He's not a liability on the ice and he can quietly improve/grow his game while playing in the NHL.
 
Which is why Shore needed to be called up to get this experience so he is in a position to handle that potential responsibility next season.
 
Buddy The Elf said:
Pearson was awful up until he was called up before the playoffs last year. He looked like a much different player then. His first NHL goal at the beginning of the season was a whiff that trickled in.

I keep bringing up Shore because it really irks me that people constantly fill prospect into positions when they haven't done squat at the NHL level. Shore is yesteryear's Andreoff. And I don't need to be explained that they are different players. The bottom line is a prospect is a prospect until proven otherwise. Shore has looked ok but definitely hasn't stood out (good or bad) in the limited minutes he is getting but at this point he is in no way a shoe in for the 3rd line center position should Richards and Stoll not be in that slot next year.
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Not sure why it irks you, but if Shore is ever going to move into the lineup on a permanent basis he has to play. I think Shore has stood out from the standpoint that he hasn't made any mistakes, or had any noticeable drop off in his effort for whatever reason.

These were problems for both Pearson and Toffoli in their first couple of call ups. Given the cap situation heading into next season, Shore may be the best option at 3rd line center.

I don't see any way Dean can have Richards or Stoll filling the 3rd line center slot next season.
 
Shore's actually created quite a few good scoring chances with his passing, and I think that's why we saw him see some PP ice time last night. He knows how to dish the puck, unlike Stoll.
 
Asheru said:
Nah. Glencross went too far into the crease, mostly under his own power. If it had happened to Hiller, the Canadian broadcast would still be howling about it.

Of course, Quick could have hurt the team with that penalty, and the stick smash crap is getting out of hand. No more Mike Smithing please.

Solid win though. Nice to see the lopsided shots pay off. Especially after how this season began. :)
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Sad thing was Glencross contact coming across wasnt even the most damning part of it. From a front angle you can see that fter that he put his stick across Quicks chest impeding him as the shot came. That was the real interference. Unless thats somehow allowed and Im not aware of it.
 
KINGS17 said:
Just wondering...

Does anyone else think that Jordan Nolan is playing his way out of Sutter's doghouse? People have often speculated on whether or not Dean should trade Nolan, but it's pretty clear to me that he still has a nice combination of skill, speed, and physical play that is very useful on the 4th line.
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Nope, he's a plug. Only reason why he's playing is because Richards is down in Manchester and Andreoff is complete garbage. And depends what you mean by out of Sutters dog house, the guy only plays 5 minutes a game, about 5 minutes to much if you ask me.
 
KingsHockey24 said:
Nope, he's a plug. Only reason why he's playing is because Richards is down in Manchester and Andreoff is complete garbage. And depends what you mean by out of Sutters dog house, the guy only plays 5 minutes a game, about 5 minutes to much if you ask me.
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No the reason he is playing is because he is the best player available at this time to fill that spot. Nolan has responded well in the current situation.

Not many players in the NHL are as inexpensive as Nolan, can fight, play physical, and skate as well as he does. Add to that a much better than average shot, and he is a very solid 4th liner that doesn't have a cap hit > $5M a season.
 
Haha,

Nolan scores a goal plays a few decent games, and all of a sudden the guy is a perfect 4th liner....

He has been garbage for the entire season pretty much, outside of the last two weeks.

If Nolan has a few months playing this well, that's actually something to brag about.

Not a few decent games, were he isn't completely useless.
 
DocWest said:
I'd take the fact that Shore hasn't stood out as a good thing. He's not a liability on the ice and he can quietly improve/grow his game while playing in the NHL.
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i noticed him quite a bit in his first couple games, hes really good at holding onto the puck and waiting for the perfect moment to get rid of it whether its a pass or a shot or a dump. although i havent really seen the same thing in the last game or two (might be due to his linemates), kid's got the smarts for sure. im excited to watch him develop
 
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