Reclamation Project
Cut It All Right In Two
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TonySCV
Golden
The Ducks fans said the exact same thing after losing game 1. The Kings fans conversely said "if that's the Ducks best effort and they still lost, they're in trouble", and Kings fans were right. What do you think Hawks fans are saying now?
The lack of discipline early doomed the Kings in Game 1 of this series. They don't have the luxury of not scoring the first goal and climbing back. The "perfect" Kings game is the start of game 7. Push the pace, draw a penalty or two, score first. That's the not-so-secret sauce for the Kings to win. That's how the Hawks won game 1.
TheSentinel
Registered User
Very few on our team dive and if they did the don't dive with a smile on their face.
I'm sure someone has said this but pretty much this is our elimination game. Hopefully we will come out on top. Honestly against Chicago we win we have a chance lose and series! Hate to say it! I hope I'm wrong! Chicago looks more and more confident as each series goes along!
Scottkmlps
Registered User
I truly do look at that game as the Hawks got all the bounces. Toffoli cleanly beats Crawford and hit's the post. Keith scores the game winning goal off a difflection off Lewis's stick. Toews, all be it was called back on the right call, get's a goal off a bounce off Voynov's skate. Just seemed like no matter what the Kings did, it just wasn't going to be their night.
There was also that open net for Richards, but I'll chalk that up as a nice defensive play. The Hawks look nothing like they did last season. It takes a hell of a lot to go back to back and get that hunger back. To me, the Hawks don't seem to have that hunger yet. We saw it in their 1st 2 rounds, and we saw it in game 1. The Hawks won the 1st game on luck, and luck alone.
ADifferentTim
Knowledgeable & Pure
The way I look at the Blackhawks is like a test, whether the Los Angeles Kings can legitimize (read: win a dynasty) West Coast hockey, just like how the Islanders and Oilers legitimized (read: won dynasties) for non-Original Six East Coast teams and Western Canada, respectively.
Seriously, the Kings had a winning regular-season record against the Blackhawks in 2012, the year the team won The Stanley Cup. Since the Kings won The Stanley Cup, it's like the Blackhawks are mad because the Kings helped Darryl Sutter, one of their draft picks and alumni, won his first-ever Stanley Cup.
Don't get me started with my wrong impression with Coach Sutter.
Seriously, the Kings had a winning regular-season record against the Blackhawks in 2012, the year the team won The Stanley Cup. Since the Kings won The Stanley Cup, it's like the Blackhawks are mad because the Kings helped Darryl Sutter, one of their draft picks and alumni, won his first-ever Stanley Cup.
Don't get me started with my wrong impression with Coach Sutter.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
KingsFan7824
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The Kings are still 2-10 in their last 12 games against the Hawks. Whether it's better passing in a game, or one more defensive play in a game, or one more goal in a game, or one more lucky bounce in a game, or whatever it is, the Hawks have just been in such a groove against the Kings for the last 2 years. The Hawks come in and beat the Kings in the Cup banner game. Of course Chicago was the team that stopped that 1st period shutout streak the Kings were on earlier this season. No Keith for Game 4 last year? Hawks win, giving the Kings their only loss at home in the playoffs last year. It's just always something.
In those 12 games, the Hawks have scored 38 goals, for an average of 3.17. The Kings have scored 25 goals, for an average of 2.08. Sutter's 3-2 league. A difference of 13 goals in 12 games.
This has nothing to do with anything, but I just noticed that Crawford is 29. That actually shocked me. I had no idea. I thought he was like 24.
In those 12 games, the Hawks have scored 38 goals, for an average of 3.17. The Kings have scored 25 goals, for an average of 2.08. Sutter's 3-2 league. A difference of 13 goals in 12 games.
This has nothing to do with anything, but I just noticed that Crawford is 29. That actually shocked me. I had no idea. I thought he was like 24.
tsanuri
Registered User
You have put it much better than I would have. But I guess on this part of the board I can get away with it.
Just to a bunch of idiots that have no clue as to how Sutter works and the concept of gamesmanship.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Yup, they just find different ways to win against us and it's annoying as well as alarming. Bring our best game? They D up. D up? They run us over. Try to score on a rush? Clutch save, then bring it back the other way.
Part of me says the law of averages says we are due, right? But the other part says they're what we are to the Blues/Sharks.
HYORI 1963
Grit & Character
Ziggy Stardust
Master Debater
I don't get those who get hung up on past results. What was LA's record in San Jose's building before these playoffs? How about the Kings record against the Ducks in the regular season? Just focus on what you are going to accomplish now. Think they look at their previous records and come in to the building fearing they're facing another loss?
Winger23
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This. The kings were really banged up in last years series, and the kings have sucked in the regular reason for a while now. Last game was won on a bounce. Kings missed their chances but it was nothing like last year where Chicago was on another level.
Kings can win this series just as easily as the hawks. It's a coin flip. Previous regular season games or any games in the prior years don't mean jack right now.
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Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
It's a really good point that the past means nothing especially in regards to what happens next, I'm just more using it as a point to show that the Hawks are adaptable and that they are that good. They've beaten us in various ways--not like the Sharks who were only able to beat is if certain things played into their hands--and they're obviously just as resilient as we are, so we're not just going to 'will' them over like we did to sad joe.
Doesn't mean at all that we can't be better than them and there's certainly no reason to be anything but optimistic.
Doesn't mean at all that we can't be better than them and there's certainly no reason to be anything but optimistic.
HYORI 1963
Grit & Character
****crap!
Are you going to tell me that you've never posted past performance to sway an opinion?
Ziggy Stardust
Master Debater
In that case, the Kings have no hope. Series is over, because past trends said so.
TheSentinel
Registered User
Like I said Hawks already won the cup after that first game, based on posters in main and now past performance.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Gaborik – Kopitar – Brown
Pearson – Carter – Toffoli
Clifford – Stoll – Williams
King – Richards – Lewis
Fraser – Vey – Nolan
Muzzin – Doughty
Mitchell – Voynov
Schultz – Martinez
McNabb – Greene
-Changes: Kyle Clifford and Trevor Lewis have changed places, as have Willie Mitchell and Jeff Schultz.
Not shocked to see Mitchell get up with Voynov, as he needs a bit more help, but a bit shocked at moving Clifford up (though he has been playing great lately).
Pearson – Carter – Toffoli
Clifford – Stoll – Williams
King – Richards – Lewis
Fraser – Vey – Nolan
Muzzin – Doughty
Mitchell – Voynov
Schultz – Martinez
McNabb – Greene
-Changes: Kyle Clifford and Trevor Lewis have changed places, as have Willie Mitchell and Jeff Schultz.
Not shocked to see Mitchell get up with Voynov, as he needs a bit more help, but a bit shocked at moving Clifford up (though he has been playing great lately).
DocWest
Rock Bottom
Reclamation Project
Cut It All Right In Two
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Say 'Blackhawks' again. Say 'Blackhawks' again, I dare you, I double dare you mother****er, say Blackhawks one more ******* time!
I've never wanted to throttle a team more than this series.
I've never wanted to throttle a team more than this series.
Ziggy Stardust
Master Debater
I think it's a logical move to get King back to LW, he seems to be struggling playing his off-wing. Clifford's been very good on the forecheck of late and has stayed disciplined, so I'm interested in seeing how he'd perform with a puck possession winger like Williams opposite to him. Stoll and Clifford are going to punish some Hawks players with their checking.
Would also like to see Clifford do this again...
DocWest
Rock Bottom
It's nice of them to go through the formality of playing the series. What a bunch of class acts those Hawks are.
