GDT: Kings Training Camp 2022/2023!

[Cianide]

Vilardi will have plenty of opportunity (again) to show if this is a breakthrough year or just a pre-season flash.

He will get games no matter what in rotation on the lower line and will be first in if there is any injury to a wing and maybe even a center. But the Kings are not trading proven scorers or demoting Byfield back to the AHL based on some pre-season games.

I think the most likely potential to find a role on a scoring line is if Iafallo looks terrible again, the question is could either AK or Vilardi effectively play the left wing.

Vilardi's had a great preseason. I think he can translate that to the regular season.

 

[Surf Nutz]

Durzi is really good. You guys need to stfu

Will all those that were recently recommending we trade Durzi, no matter the reason and whatever your emotional state was, please re-identify themselves,
thank you,
the opinion evaluators.

 

[Surf Nutz]

Will all those recommending that were recently recommending we trade Durzi, no matter the reason and whatever yor emotional state was, please re-identify themselves,
thank you,
the opinion evaluators.

Villardi absolutely should be 3c with QB in the AHL, noting he was ill and missed some preseason.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

QB’s either the unluckiest player in the league or I don’t know what anymore.

 

[Steve Zissou]

QB’s either the unluckiest player in the league or I don’t know what anymore.

Same thing a lot people around here said about Vilardi.

 

[kilowatt]

QB’s either the unluckiest player in the league or I don’t know what anymore.

Or he’s just a young guy who isn’t quite good enough yet and is still learning on the job

 

[crassbonanza]

QB’s either the unluckiest player in the league or I don’t know what anymore.

The Kings have been in an odd position of retooling, while at the same time trying to compete and that makes things difficult for developing younger players. I think this season is huge because he was definitely a weak link last season, but he was also just 19. The issue in my opinion is signing/trading for veteran forwards is kind of signaling that the team expects to be a challenge and at that point, it is hard for the team to also let the younger prospects work through their development.

 

[Surf Nutz]

The Kings have been in an odd position of retooling, while at the same time trying to compete and that makes things difficult for developing younger players. I think this season is huge because he was definitely a weak link last season, but he was also just 19. The issue in my opinion is signing/trading for veteran forwards is kind of signaling that the team expects to be a challenge and at that point, it is hard for the team to also let the younger prospects work through their development.

And if the young players battle through it and make it, with some patience by the fans, they will be much better for it. Ex.: Kempe, Durzi and hopefully Villardi this year, with more to come. Bringing kids up in a team that is led to victory by veterans and breakthrough performers is a potential champion. Ex.: Colo., TB

 

[All The Kings Men]

JAD is already down.

Did I miss something today?

I have him still with the Kings... but I wasn't on top of things today.

 

[crassbonanza]

And if the young players battle through it and make it, with some patience by the fans, they will be much better for it. Ex.: Kempe, Durzi and hopefully Villardi this year, with more to come. Bringing kids up in a team that is led to victory by veterans and breakthrough performers is a potential champion. Ex.: Colo., TB

I don't think that the current Kings are really comparable to Colorado/Tampa.

The Avs were built around Mac, Rantanen and Landeskog, the only real established high end vet on that team would have been Duchene, who was traded away when Mac was 21 and Rantanen was 20.

Tampa had Stamkos and Hedman, but Kucherov is just 3 years younger than them. Point could work, but he didn't get playing time until he was 20 and put up .6 PPG in his rookie season. Also, the Lightning have been consistent contenders for the past 8 seasons, with 6 conference finals appearance over that stretch, so I don't think they are comparable.

The Kings are doing something that is my opinion relatively unique, they have a top 6 locked up in veteran forwards on expensive contracts, but haven't won a playoff round in 8 seasons. I hope it works out, because I love this team, but I am skeptical of the decisions being made.

 

[AbsentMojo]

Did I miss something today?

I have him still with the Kings... but I wasn't on top of things today.

I saw he was listed non-roster so i assumed he was waived and passed through...sorry if I got it wrong... If Im wrong, then how come he isnt listed on the Kings roster? Los Angeles Kings Salary Cap, Draft Picks, and Player Contracts - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

 

[All The Kings Men]

I saw he was listed non-roster so i assumed he was waived and passed through...sorry if I got it wrong... If Im wrong, then how come he isnt listed on the Kings roster? Los Angeles Kings Salary Cap, Draft Picks, and Player Contracts - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

My guess is that CapFriednly doesn't differentiate from "Training Camp rosters" and "actual rosters"

As of 12:26am on Sunday morning (Saturday night?) the Kings (according to my list) have

4 Goalies
Quick, Petersen, Copley, Ingham

8 defensemen
Doughty, Anderson, Edler, Roy, Walker, Durzi, Clarke, Moverare

17 forwards
Kempe, Kopitar, Fiala, Moore, Danault, Arvidsson, Iafallo, Byfield, Kaliyev, Lemieux, Lizotte, Grundstrom, JAD, Kupari, Vilardi, Turcotte, Lee

That's 29 players.
Ingham, Lee and Turcotte will be assigned to Ontario/Greenville when they're no longer injured. If that isn't before Tuesday they'll start the season on Season Opening IR.

That brings it down to 26 players.

I'm assuming Copley will be waived and assigned before Tuesday... that's 25.

They need to make a decision.

Carry 8 D and 13 F and send 2 forwards to Ontario

OR

Carry 7 D and 14 F and send 1 of each to Ontario (California or Canada)

OR

They could get totally crazy and do something like carry 7 D and 13 F

or 3 goalies, 7 d and 13 forwards....

you get it. Point is I think JAD is still with the team and CapFriendly needs to be taken with a grain of salt from time to time.


EDIT: YOu'll notice that Clarke is ALSO listed as "Non Roster" along with Turcotte, Lee, Ingham and Copley

 

[Statto]

Did I miss something today?

I have him still with the Kings... but I wasn't on top of things today.

No, you didn’t. He was on the roster prior to the game.

edit: now seen your second reply. As a wise man once said… DOH

 

[AbsentMojo]

My guess is that CapFriednly doesn't differentiate from "Training Camp rosters" and "actual rosters"

As of 12:26am on Sunday morning (Saturday night?) the Kings (according to my list) have

4 Goalies
Quick, Petersen, Copley, Ingham

8 defensemen
Doughty, Anderson, Edler, Roy, Walker, Durzi, Clarke, Moverare

17 forwards
Kempe, Kopitar, Fiala, Moore, Danault, Arvidsson, Iafallo, Byfield, Kaliyev, Lemieux, Lizotte, Grundstrom, JAD, Kupari, Vilardi, Turcotte, Lee

That's 29 players.
Ingham, Lee and Turcotte will be assigned to Ontario/Greenville when they're no longer injured. If that isn't before Tuesday they'll start the season on Season Opening IR.

That brings it down to 26 players.

I'm assuming Copley will be waived and assigned before Tuesday... that's 25.

They need to make a decision.

Carry 8 D and 13 F and send 2 forwards to Ontario

OR

Carry 7 D and 14 F and send 1 of each to Ontario (California or Canada)

OR

They could get totally crazy and do something like carry 7 D and 13 F

or 3 goalies, 7 d and 13 forwards....

you get it. Point is I think JAD is still with the team and CapFriendly needs to be taken with a grain of salt from time to time.


EDIT: YOu'll notice that Clarke is ALSO listed as "Non Roster" along with Turcotte, Lee, Ingham and Copley

OK thanks for clearing that up. I wasnt aware of the training camp roster concept - but it makes sense since things can be loosey goosey - e.g. like being over the cap until the season starts. I guess I need to look at the official league transaction log and not just rely on capfriendly (as youve stated before).

 

[TruKingFan]

My guess is that CapFriednly doesn't differentiate from "Training Camp rosters" and "actual rosters"

As of 12:26am on Sunday morning (Saturday night?) the Kings (according to my list) have

4 Goalies
Quick, Petersen, Copley, Ingham

8 defensemen
Doughty, Anderson, Edler, Roy, Walker, Durzi, Clarke, Moverare

17 forwards
Kempe, Kopitar, Fiala, Moore, Danault, Arvidsson, Iafallo, Byfield, Kaliyev, Lemieux, Lizotte, Grundstrom, JAD, Kupari, Vilardi, Turcotte, Lee

That's 29 players.
Ingham, Lee and Turcotte will be assigned to Ontario/Greenville when they're no longer injured. If that isn't before Tuesday they'll start the season on Season Opening IR.

That brings it down to 26 players.

I'm assuming Copley will be waived and assigned before Tuesday... that's 25.

They need to make a decision.

Carry 8 D and 13 F and send 2 forwards to Ontario

OR

Carry 7 D and 14 F and send 1 of each to Ontario (California or Canada)

OR

They could get totally crazy and do something like carry 7 D and 13 F

or 3 goalies, 7 d and 13 forwards....

you get it. Point is I think JAD is still with the team and CapFriendly needs to be taken with a grain of salt from time to time.


EDIT: YOu'll notice that Clarke is ALSO listed as "Non Roster" along with Turcotte, Lee, Ingham and Copley

Send Kupari down and waive JAD. Then Blake can get off his ass and trade Walker for a bag of pucks (aka future considerations). Get some cap wiggle room for hopefully a bigger trade for a LHD later in the season if necessary.

 

[Statto]

Send Kupari down and waive JAD. Then Blake can get off his ass and trade Walker for a bag of pucks (aka future considerations). Get some cap wiggle room for hopefully a bigger trade for a LHD later in the season if necessary.

People (not you specifically) so often say Blake should have traded player ‘x’ because he isn’t good enough. It’s not that easy to trade any player that is surplus to requirements and it’s probably harder whilst he’s only worth ‘future considerations’.

Teams are not giving up cap space without getting proper value, because cap space is an asset. So I don’t think a trade is realistic until he plays games and demonstrates what his current value is. Who knows, he may start playing great and we then want to keep him. Besides, It’s all very well saying (I’m paraphrasing) that ‘he sucks so trade him’, yet at the same time people expect teams to want to trade for him (or any of the players we may think isn’t needed) . It’s a complete juxtaposition.

If they aren’t good enough for a mid range team that hasn’t won a play-off round for ages, why would any team necessarily want them. There really is going to need to be a specific hole in one of the bottom 10 teams’ organisation and it is likely going to need to be more than him shooting right. The list of trade partners is going to be small especially at a time when there may be good options going on waivers.

 

[funky]

Yeah that was tough, but it's not just those two, it's everyone he's played with. He just hasn't clicked with anyone yet, He's the type of player that should be driving play and who others should be adjusting to, and that hasn't happened either. As soon as that happens, he'll take off. That's not all on Byfield either, some of that is coaching.

He should play with Fiala. Fiala is an Alpha on the ice and Byfield could use someone who can lead him around for a bit. The talent is there, the physical attributes are there., the computer is just a bit slow at this point.

Let someone else control and dictate what’s happening and just use his natural abilities to clean up pucks and get into scoring positions. Use his size and reach in front.

May need a defensive type winger to help cover for those two as they will take unnecessary chances more then most though.

 

[RayMartyniukTotems]

Line combos for bottom 6 in going to be interesting. Iafallo,Byfield,Kaliyev,Grundstrom,Lizotte to have first 5 spots with Lemieux and Vilardi being platooned

 

[mysterman2]

Not concerned about Byfield at all and think hes in a good spot with new forward depth. The good- his size and puck possession means he can seemingly enter the zone at will. He also sees the game well. Just needs more playing time and with that will come the confidence. Think this is a great spot for the kid- he doesnt need to be the guy, doesnt need to be the savior, can get some good matchups as 3rd line center and given Kopi and Danault are both solid defensively can get some good match-ups to build on.

 

[RayMartyniukTotems]

Not concerned about Byfield at all and think hes in a good spot with new forward depth. The good- his size and puck possession means he can seemingly enter the zone at will. He also sees the game well. Just needs more playing time and with that will come the confidence. Think this is a great spot for the kid- he doesnt need to be the guy, doesnt need to be the savior, can get some good matchups as 3rd line center and given Kopi and Danault are both solid defensively can get some good match-ups to build on.

Byfield needs the right type of Wingers to mesh with him. Not sure Iafallo is the kind,same for Kaliyev. Grundstrom may be the answer to one Wing spot as for the other

 

[TruKingFan]

People (not you specifically) so often say Blake should have traded player ‘x’ because he isn’t good enough. It’s not that easy to trade any player that is surplus to requirements and it’s probably harder whilst he’s only worth ‘future considerations’.

Teams are not giving up cap space without getting proper value, because cap space is an asset. So I don’t think a trade is realistic until he plays games and demonstrates what his current value is. Who knows, he may start playing great and we then want to keep him. Besides, It’s all very well saying (I’m paraphrasing) that ‘he sucks so trade him’, yet at the same time people expect teams to want to trade for him (or any of the players we may think isn’t needed) . It’s a complete juxtaposition.

If they aren’t good enough for a mid range team that hasn’t won a play-off round for ages, why would any team necessarily want them. There really is going to need to be a specific hole in one of the bottom 10 teams’ organisation and it is likely going to need to be more than him shooting right. The list of trade partners is going to be small especially at a time when there may be good options going on waivers.

Trading a player for future considerations basically means a team is giving him away. Sometimes not because they want to but they have to. Yes the receiving team will have to take on $2.65M in cap space for 2 years. For a team that have it, and they need a marginal (but may yet improve) RHD for nothing but cap space. Are there teams out there that are capable of taking this salary one - for sure.

Now don't tell me about "poor asset management" trading a player like Walker for nothing. Unfortunately for Walker he got a serious injury and Durzi, Spence and now Clarke happened. For Blake, he can't be gun shy about this.

 

[TruKingFan]

He should play with Fiala. Fiala is an Alpha on the ice and Byfield could use someone who can lead him around for a bit. The talent is there, the physical attributes are there., the computer is just a bit slow at this point.

Let someone else control and dictate what’s happening and just use his natural abilities to clean up pucks and get into scoring positions. Use his size and reach in front.

May need a defensive type winger to help cover for those two as they will take unnecessary chances more then most though.

I said so much earlier this summer that Fiala might just work with QB. Of course you get the "but we're paying him almost $8M a year and he shouldn't be on the 3rd line" hysteria.

Anyone else Fiala-QB-Vilardi has potential?

 

[Johnny Utah]

I don't think Byfield starts opening night.

Vegas has some bigger players and TM won't sit Lemieux and you can't sit Vilardi after his pre-season.

Byfield and Iaffalo have been invisible.

 

[KingsFan7824]

He should play with Fiala. Fiala is an Alpha on the ice and Byfield could use someone who can lead him around for a bit. The talent is there, the physical attributes are there., the computer is just a bit slow at this point.

Let someone else control and dictate what’s happening and just use his natural abilities to clean up pucks and get into scoring positions. Use his size and reach in front.

May need a defensive type winger to help cover for those two as they will take unnecessary chances more then most though.

The only issue with Fiala with Byfield is, does TM want Byfield out there that often? Because Fiala is the kind of guy TM will play a lot.

Trading a player for future considerations basically means a team is giving him away. Sometimes not because they want to but they have to. Yes the receiving team will have to take on $2.65M in cap space for 2 years. For a team that have it, and they need a marginal (but may yet improve) RHD for nothing but cap space. Are there teams out there that are capable of taking this salary one - for sure.

Now don't tell me about "poor asset management" trading a player like Walker for nothing. Unfortunately for Walker he got a serious injury and Durzi, Spence and now Clarke happened. For Blake, he can't be gun shy about this.

It's Oct 9th. If Walker hasn't been traded by now, don't hold your breath. Blake may not want to trade him, let alone the wishes of other teams. You can't impose what you want onto Blake. What in the last few years has shown you that Blake doesn't want as many options as he can have? If the Kings have 10 or 11 legit options on defense, and some can easily be put in Ontario, what makes you think that's not what Blake wants?

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

I don't think Byfield starts opening night.

Vegas has some bigger players and TM won't sit Lemieux and you can't sit Vilardi after his pre-season.

Byfield and Iaffalo have been invisible.

Invisible?? Pretty sure most of us thought he looked pretty good in his first two preseason games….then he was sick for a week and last night was his first action in awhile.