GDT: Kings Training Camp 2022/2023!

[Mats26]

Why is there such an aversion to discussing flaws in a player's game? Nobody is saying he was the reason the Kings lost. But his misreads were contributory, is not a direct cause, to a couple goals.

I get it, he has flaws, but because the kid is a warrior and earned his way to the NHL I got a soft spot for guys who work for the team. Seeing Petersen play with that contract makes me vomit.

 

[YP44]

BTW, Martin Frk on waivers today from STL. We should pick him up. I hear he has a great shot. <cough><cough>

Frk that

I’m sorry, but in what f***en universe is Durzi anywhere close to being the type of player JDub was?
JDub had a very high hockey IQ, was a clutch player ala Robert Horry, was local and respected leader… etc..

I can see similarities to Ghost but that’s as far as I’d go

It would be great if Durzi grew into a JDUB type, but he (like most players with his experience) has a long way to go. I feel like when they both let their hair grow it is similar.

 

[DoktorJeep]

Odds are 70/30 that Walker starts the year on a conditioning assignment in the AHL if Clarke makes the team out of camp. Clarke gets 4-9 games and then is back to juniors and Walker is brought up.

 

[Sol]

Odds are 70/30 that Walker starts the year on a conditioning assignment in the AHL if Clarke makes the team out of camp. Clarke gets 4-9 games and then is back to juniors and Walker is brought up.

Classic Kings. Keep a scrub and in exchange keep an elite player in the KHL

 

[Herby]

It was usually in the context of Doughty versus Karlsson and people mocking how Ottawa fans acted like Karlsson was the undisputed best player in the world.

Like Stutzle, his shortcomings were forgiven because he put up a ton of points. But he had more shortcomings than some fans wanted to admit.

You're leaving out an awful lot of context so you can take a generalized pot shot at Kings fans.

People saying they wouldn’t want a player on their team among other things needs context? What context is that?

But just making stuff up that people also said he was the “2nd best d-man in the league” when no such comments were made is a-ok?

I am just using peoples own words which is a problem but making stuff or saying “they really meant this” isn’t?

 

[Sol]

Frk that


It would be great if Durzi grew into a JDUB type, but he (like most players with his experience) has a long way to go. I feel like when they both let their hair grow it is similar.

Don’t know Williams had an unholy ability to turn the puck over in the d zone. Sounds like Durzi

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

People saying they wouldn’t want a player on their team among other things needs context? What context is that?

But just making stuff up that people also said he was the “2nd best d-man in the league” when no such comments were made is a-ok?

I am just using peoples own words which is a problem but making stuff or saying “they really meant this” isn’t?

The context where you're cherry picking the f*** out of extreme comments to make a sweeping generalization mocking your fellow posters and ignoring those discussions were linked to Norris trophy discussions/best dman in the league discussions.

 

[Herby]

The context where you're cherry picking the f*** out of extreme comments to make a sweeping generalization mocking your fellow posters and ignoring those discussions were linked to Norris trophy discussions/best dman in the league discussions.

And you don’t do the same thing when you get pissed at other fanbases (Rangers etc) for stupid and ignorant comments about Kings players like Quick?

 

[Sol]

Wow this forum coming down hard on Durzi. Weird. When our defense couldn’t score and was playing well, they were still getting scored on while producing zero offense. At least Durzi is a net neutral with a scoring touch and balls.

If he improves on defense or gets a defensive minded partner that’s a big plus. Does anyone think Walker is good defensively ? No. We only liked him because he has some offensive ability when no one else did. If anyones position and need is gone it’s Walker. Not impressive defensively or offensively enough. Durzi you keep.

Lest we forget a decent NHL goalie makes a massive difference. We only have one and some random scrub who is beer league tier. Can you blame anyone really when you’re taking chances with an open net essentially. You get rid of the goalie, not the player who can create offense.. which is the kings biggest issue.

It’s honestly impressive how bad Doughty has gotten at offense when you watch someone like Clarke who can just create at will

 

[bland]

I’m sorry, but in what f***en universe is Durzi anywhere close to being the type of player JDub was?
JDub had a very high hockey IQ, was a clutch player ala Robert Horry, was a vocal and respected leader… etc..

I can see similarities to Ghost but that’s as far as I’d go

I would suggest that you pay more attention.

 

[KingsFan7824]

The point is- Spence is going to be long term top 4 player on the Kings....Durzi isnt. You trade Durzi because you have better more well rounded players to take his spot. Would you trade Durzi for a solid nhl journeyman backup goalie right about now?

Where in the top 4?

A journeyman backup is Durzi's value? Forget they already have 6 goalies under contract, but you could get a journeyman for a pick.

Odds are 70/30 that Walker starts the year on a conditioning assignment in the AHL if Clarke makes the team out of camp. Clarke gets 4-9 games and then is back to juniors and Walker is brought up.

Where are these odds coming from?

 

[HookKing]

It seems pretty obvious that the top-6 players don't try as much as others. They're not fighting for a job really, they have more to lose by going hard.

Yep, I went to a number of Kings' training camps in the past decade and the most impressive players were nearly always the Owen Nolan's and Kyle Clifford's etc.

 

[King'sPawn]

And you don’t do the same thing when you get pissed at other fanbases (Rangers etc) for stupid and ignorant comments about Kings players like Quick?

Yeah. We shit on other fanbases in this forum. When other fans come on this board and do the same, we tell them to gtfo because they're trolling.

Most reasonable people acknowledge Karlsson's talents, but there was heated pushback due to the exaggerated greatness of Karlsson's game. Throwing that in people's faces as if to say "Kings fans go hurr durr offensive defenseman" to denigrate fans making reasonable observations about Durzi just kills any rational discussion.

 

[Schrute farms]

Lively thread recently. I'm not sure if there's anything of value; nor any progress made by anyone. But lively nonetheless. lol. I think many of you are more than ready for the season to start. Some desperately need the season to start

 

[kings11]

I would suggest that you pay more attention.

I would suggest knowing more about what players you compare.
One is a ballsy, offensive player with glaring defensive shortcomings.
The other was a highly regarded but oft injured player, who was an integral part of two cup winning teams.

Not sure how anyone can compare them but go ahead and enlighten me since there must be something I’m missing here

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I would suggest knowing more about what players you compare.
One is a ballsy, offensive player with glaring defensive shortcomings.
The other was a highly regarded but oft injured player, who was an integral part of two cup winning teams.

Not sure how anyone can compare them but go ahead and enlighten me since there must be something I’m missing here

I can see the comparison......when think of it in terms of, this is what Durzi can become....on the back end....etc....

No one is really comparing Durzi now to prime JWilliams......but everyone can see the opportunity is there, heart on the sleeve, work til you die type of player.

 

[kingsfan28]

I keep making the mistake of saying 'waiver eligible' as well but to be clear yes, he is waiver exempt. Which is the major reason he's doing down imo.

So are you saying Clarke won't stick either, he did the same exact thing...

So are you saying Clarke won't stick either, he did the same exact thing...

Clarke isn't a center know for his hard shot in his 3rd year as a pro, 2nd with the big club. He had an open shot in a prime scoring area, hesitated, then passed if off. He does that ...a lot.

 

[Schmooley]

Clarke isn't a center know for his hard shot in his 3rd year as a pro, 2nd with the big club. He had an open shot in a prime scoring area, hesitated, then passed if off. He does that ...a lot.

You talking about Kupari? His best NHL games have been as a winger. He simplifies everything and plays mostly north south only cutting through open ice when there is a hole. No overthinking things and real heavy on the forecheck. Hes a pretty good center because he skates well and covers ice, is responsible with defensive coverage, and ok on faceoffs. But he plays better on the wing.

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

Durzi has a joe corvo tools with a way better toolbox. Just have to work on his positioning so he doesn’t get his barn door blown out as much. He just needs to pick his spots 1/3 of his current pace.

 

[Herby]

Yeah. We shit on other fanbases in this forum. When other fans come on this board and do the same, we tell them to gtfo because they're trolling.

Most reasonable people acknowledge Karlsson's talents, but there was heated pushback due to the exaggerated greatness of Karlsson's game. Throwing that in people's faces as if to say "Kings fans go hurr durr offensive defenseman" to denigrate fans making reasonable observations about Durzi just kills any rational discussion.

It’s just poor observations, no different from fans trashing Brown for instance. I don’t see why trashing another teams player is ever needed to prop up one’s own. I also don’t think it was people who believed a player was top 2-3 before trashing him. No one says stuff like that if you think the player is a superstar.

My point was in defense of Durzi that he won’t be popular with many in a fanbase that didn’t think highly of the Hall of Fame version of Durzi. But Yes, I think this board has a bias against players who play a certain way and Durzi is kind of falling victim to unfair criticism.

 

[Little Psycho]

So Kopi was disappointing last night

 

[kinghock]

Durzi has a joe corvo tools with a way better toolbox. Just have to work on his positioning so he doesn’t get his barn door blown out as much. He just needs to pick his spots 1/3 of his current pace.

I believe in very near future Durzi will be exposed for what he is.
He is good offensive defensemen and very bad defensive defensemen.
LA should trade him ASAP if they want to maximize return on investment.

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

I believe in very near future Durzi will be exposed for what he is.
He is good offensive defensemen and very bad defensive defensemen.
LA should trade him ASAP if they want to maximize return on investment.

I disagree his value is highest at trade deadline with high point totals. GM’s are never more desperate to overlook warts than they are with RHD at the trade deadline when they are looking to bolster a blue line.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

It’s just poor observations, no different from fans trashing Brown for instance. I don’t see why trashing another teams player is ever needed to prop up one’s own. I also don’t think it was people who believed a player was top 2-3 before trashing him. No one says stuff like that if you think the player is a superstar.

My point was in defense of Durzi that he won’t be popular with many in a fanbase that didn’t think highly of the Hall of Fame version of Durzi. But Yes, I think this board has a bias against players who play a certain way and Durzi is kind of falling victim to unfair criticism.

well yeah, they're both high-event guys.

Similar to EK, lots of scoring for AND against happens with him on the ice.

Calling it what it is isn't not appreciating it. The question for guys like that is always A. Can they outscore their issues and B. can they at least iron out the kinks enough to not be a liability when it matters most.

 

[kings11]

I can see the comparison......when think of it in terms of, this is what Durzi can become....on the back end....etc....

No one is really comparing Durzi now to prime JWilliams......but everyone can see the opportunity is there, heart on the sleeve, work til you die type of player.

That I can see, the character.. but we have a habit, myself included, of comparing players rather than certain traits.
I guess you could say a glue guy, which I’m on board about but that’s pretty much it. I still think he’s more similar to Ghost minus the shot..