GDT: Kings Training Camp 2022/2023!

[SaltyElkHunter]

My issue is once again, it's just such an uncommon way to develop a player if you truly believed in him. How many players have spent 2 seasons in the NHL as a regular at 19 and 20 and then sent down to the minors at 21 and come out of it for the better? This guy made the team out of camp 3 years ago, but can't now?

And all of this after basically falling out of the Kings top 10 d-man depth chart at the end of last season, not able to beat out two guys who spent most of the year in the AHL and another player who was brought in from one of the worst teams in the NHL (where he was barely playing).

These don't really seem like the actions of an organization that still has a strong belief in the player. And I don't necessarily blame them, I think it's certainly fair to start wondering if Bjornfot was one of those players who just finished his development as a player at 18 or 19 as opposed to 21 or 22 with most players.

3 years ago the team was shitty! This looks to be a result of a rising tide. Best guys should be on the roster.

Albeit maybe they are trying to trade Walker or Roy to get there .

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

Friends,
Can you tell me about one Lias Andersson?
Can he skate? Can he handle the puck?
Offensive instincts? Does he play D?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Friends,
Can you tell me about one Lias Andersson?
Can he skate? Can he handle the puck?
Offensive instincts? Does he play D?

Good speed, slow acceleration, a little bit of a truck. Decent hands, absolutely lethal within 15 feet of the net. VERY inconsistent unfortunately--some games he's an absolute bull on the boards that makes him look like a good complementary winger, sometimes he's just invisible altogether. Not going to be the guy to carry the puck through the neutral zone, basically his entire game is built around making and spinning off contact and smacking around near the net. His defensive instincts suck hardcore, so so far, he's been unable to outscore his problems and unable to establish the kind of checking game required from the bottom six. HOWEVER he's been dicked around a lot in his career and his injuries and shuttling around prevent him from gaining any kind of rhythm. I think his time here is done as far as making the NHL as he's been surpassed and there are playoff expectations but I could see a rebuilding franchise giving him one last NHL chance. Otherwise he's a AAAA player, dude absolutely thrashes the AHL.

 

[Ciao]

Friends,
Can you tell me about one Lias Andersson?
Can he skate? Can he handle the puck?
Offensive instincts? Does he play D?

I think he might be a forward?

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

Good speed, slow acceleration, a little bit of a truck. Decent hands, absolutely lethal within 15 feet of the net. VERY inconsistent unfortunately--some games he's an absolute bull on the boards that makes him look like a good complementary winger, sometimes he's just invisible altogether. Not going to be the guy to carry the puck through the neutral zone, basically his entire game is built around making and spinning off contact and smacking around near the net. His defensive instincts suck hardcore, so so far, he's been unable to outscore his problems and unable to establish the kind of checking game required from the bottom six. HOWEVER he's been dicked around a lot in his career and his injuries and shuttling around prevent him from gaining any kind of rhythm. I think his time here is done as far as making the NHL as he's been surpassed and there are playoff expectations but I could see a rebuilding franchise giving him one last NHL chance. Otherwise he's a AAAA player, dude absolutely thrashes the AHL.

Hmm interesting. Sounds kinda like Dahlen who we let go.
Last question, how's Andersson's durability? I saw potential in Dahlen but he was not durable at all.

 

[Herby]

3 years ago the team was shitty! This looks to be a result of a rising tide. Best guys should be on the roster.

Albeit maybe they are trying to trade Walker or Roy to get there .

Understandable. But you are hoping that the guy you used a #1 pick on three years ago is also rising with the tide. Not really sure that has been the case, unfortunately.

If you had told any of us two years ago that Bjornfot would be in the AHL unable to beat out guys like Alex Edler and Sean Walker after not being able to beat out Troy Stetcher in the playoffs I think we would all have been pretty disappointed.

Hopefully this is a short term thing and they can find someone to take Walker after they showcase him in the first couple of weeks.

 

[bmr]

Understandable. But you are hoping that the guy you used a #1 pick on three years ago is also rising with the tide. Not really sure that has been the case, unfortunately.

If you had told any of us two years ago that Bjornfot would be in the AHL unable to beat out guys like Alex Edler and Sean Walker after not being able to beat out Troy Stetcher in the playoffs I think we would all have been pretty disappointed.

Hopefully this is a short term thing and they can find someone to take Walker after they showcase him in the first couple of weeks.

Bjornfot had the worst +/- on the team last year. He could still use some seasoning with Spence playing 1st line minutes in Ontario. It's good for his confidence. I'm not sure he's really 'beat out' by anyone. The emergence of Clarke/Durzi and the solid play of Edler are dictating more of that. I don't expect Walker to remain with the team. I would be surprised if he did.

 

[KingsFan7824]

My issue is once again, it's just such an uncommon way to develop a player if you truly believed in him. How many players have spent 2 seasons in the NHL as a regular at 19 and 20 and then sent down to the minors at 21 and come out of it for the better? This guy made the team out of camp 3 years ago, but can't now?

And all of this after basically falling out of the Kings top 10 d-man depth chart at the end of last season, not able to beat out two guys who spent most of the year in the AHL and another player who was brought in from one of the worst teams in the NHL (where he was barely playing).

These don't really seem like the actions of an organization that still has a strong belief in the player. And I don't necessarily blame them, I think it's certainly fair to start wondering if Bjornfot was one of those players who just finished his development as a player at 18 or 19 as opposed to 21 or 22 with most players.

Have to look at the other dmen on the roster. 20-21, 21-22, and this year are all different. Would he have played 70 last year if Doughty, Walker, Anderson, and Edler all miss so much time?

Now with Durzi and possibly Clarke, you just run out of room. You're just so quick with the falling out of favor or finished product stuff. Maybe they were just forced to play him a bunch last year when they didn't want to. That doesn't mean everything is over.

 

[Fishhead]

Understandable. But you are hoping that the guy you used a #1 pick on three years ago is also rising with the tide. Not really sure that has been the case, unfortunately.

If you had told any of us two years ago that Bjornfot would be in the AHL unable to beat out guys like Alex Edler and Sean Walker after not being able to beat out Troy Stetcher in the playoffs I think we would all have been pretty disappointed.

Hopefully this is a short term thing and they can find someone to take Walker after they showcase him in the first couple of weeks.

Yeah I think it's short term. Also, as good as he was playing in the beginning, that injury really seemed to sap him a bit, especially with regards to confidence. He's looked pretty good so far in the preseason, certainly better than some others who are already penciled in. Waivers rules all during camps, asset management and all that. It's the only reason he and Spence were sent down and Moverare is still on the roster.

I also think Walker is probably most likely go. I also like Matt Roy's game, but I can't get over the feeling with him that his role is what is guaranteeing him a roster spot. I don't think they expected Clarke to look so damn good so fast, which also is affecting things. When all is said and done, I hope it will be:

Doughty
Clarke
Anderson
Bjornfot
Acquired in trade
2 of Durzi/Spence/Roy

 

[Herby]

Have to look at the other dmen on the roster. 20-21, 21-22, and this year are all different. Would he have played 70 last year if Doughty, Walker, Anderson, and Edler all miss so much time?

Now with Durzi and possibly Clarke, you just run out of room. You're just so quick with the falling out of favor or finished product stuff. Maybe they were just forced to play him a bunch last year when they didn't want to. That doesn't mean everything is over.

He played 33 games the season before and 70 last year.

Last year he was on the opening night roster and played every game before the Doughty Edler and Walker injuries, so not sure how those guys injuries effected how many games he played. In fact he was in the Kings Top 6 when all those guys were healthy, and then by the end of the year was passed up on the depth chart by Troy Stecher.

All I asked was how common is it for any NHL player to have 100+ games in the NHL at 19 and 20 and then not make the team at 21. It's not exactly a normal way to handle a player you used a 1st round pick on.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Understandable. But you are hoping that the guy you used a #1 pick on three years ago is also rising with the tide. Not really sure that has been the case, unfortunately.

If you had told any of us two years ago that Bjornfot would be in the AHL unable to beat out guys like Alex Edler and Sean Walker after not being able to beat out Troy Stetcher in the playoffs I think we would all have been pretty disappointed.

Hopefully this is a short term thing and they can find someone to take Walker after they showcase him in the first couple of weeks.

Edler and Walker have 1 way contracts. He's not trying to beat them out.

 

[Herby]

Edler and Walker have 1 way contracts. He's not trying to beat them out.

So players on ELC's never have a chance in the NHL to beat out players on one-way contracts?

That is certainly not the case in much of the league. Waiving and trading players is an option.

Guess we should demote Arthur Kaliyev and bring up Austin Wagner.

 

[KingsHockey24]

Lias Andersson is a bum.

That is all.

 

[KingsFan7824]

He played 33 games the season before and 70 last year.

Last year he was on the opening night roster and played every game before the Doughty Edler and Walker injuries, so not sure how those guys injuries effected how many games he played. In fact he was in the Kings Top 6 when all those guys were healthy, and then by the end of the year was passed up on the depth chart by Troy Stecher.

All I asked was how common is it for any NHL player to have 100+ games in the NHL at 19 and 20 and then not make the team at 21. It's not exactly a normal way to handle a player you used a 1st round pick on.

There were 7 dmen last year, and TB could've been in some rotation, but then everyone got hurt.

I don't know what to say other than Blake seems to like options.

 

[KingsFan7824]

So players on ELC's never have a chance in the NHL to beat out players on one-way contracts?

That is certainly not the case in much of the league. Waiving and trading players is an option.

Guess we should demote Arthur Kaliyev and bring up Austin Wagner.

How many 1 way NHL contracts are in the AHL? It's likely less than 1 per team, probably not .5 per team, and the Kings will already have 2 once Copely goes down.

 

[RabidKiwi]

Lias Andersson is a bum.

That is all.

Haven't seen this yet

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

Spence and Bjornfot are currently skating with the group that will play tonight.

So...

Since you were the "well, actually" one yesterday, I'll play that role today: just because players have been sent down doesn't mean that can't play with the main group. Exhibit A:

Tonight’s game in Utah could represent a final audition for several players. If you recall, the sixth game last year during the preseason was in Anaheim, with a younger lineup against a more veteran-heavy Ducks squad. Many younger players, who had already been assigned to Ontario, were recalled and Arthur Kaliyev had a hat trick in that game. He never returned to Ontario. These games do mean something for players battling for roster spots and decisions, as we saw last season, decisions are not permanent.

10/6 Preview - Projected Game Group + Durzi On Return, Moverare on Opportunity, Utes - LA Kings Insider

WHO: Los Angeles Kings (2-2-1) vs. Vegas Golden Knights (2-2-1) WHAT: NHL PRESEASON GAME WHEN: Thursday, October 6 @ 6:00 PM Pacific WHERE: Vivint Arena – Salt Lake City, UT HOW TO FOLLOW: VIDEO: Bally Sports West – AUDIO – iHeart Radio – TWITTER: @DooleyLAK & @LAKings TONIGHT’S MATCHUP: The...

lakingsinsider.com

Oh, and they guy you interviewed today is reporting the same information "straight from the Kings":

It's almost like transactions can occur without confirmation from the team's PR department...

 

[Docgonzo]

I really like Bjornfot and think he’s got tons of potential and wouldn’t use him in a trade. But it’s good he’s in Ontario where he can work on other parts of his game he can’t in the NHL because maybe he’s playing too conservative.

He seemed a little vanilla, no offense, no physicality or aggression. But he’s still got time and once Edler and Walker are gone, this season or next, he’s back in the lineup.

 

[Sol]

I do think Bjornfot has potential but it’s just not as high as someone like Spences. And for his potential alone I’d trade Bjornfot for a goalie too

 

[Bandit]

My issue is once again, it's just such an uncommon way to develop a player if you truly believed in him. How many players have spent 2 seasons in the NHL as a regular at 19 and 20 and then sent down to the minors at 21 and come out of it for the better? This guy made the team out of camp 3 years ago, but can't now?

And all of this after basically falling out of the Kings top 10 d-man depth chart at the end of last season, not able to beat out two guys who spent most of the year in the AHL and another player who was brought in from one of the worst teams in the NHL (where he was barely playing).

These don't really seem like the actions of an organization that still has a strong belief in the player. And I don't necessarily blame them, I think it's certainly fair to start wondering if Bjornfot was one of those players who just finished his development as a player at 18 or 19 as opposed to 21 or 22 with most players.

Yeah my beef is just how can you take a young guy who’s played the last two seasons in the NHL and send him down? They’d be better off trading him if they’d rather play Edler over him at this point.

 

[Bandit]

Since you were the "well, actually" one yesterday, I'll play that role today: just because players have been sent down doesn't mean that can't play with the main group. Exhibit A:

10/6 Preview - Projected Game Group + Durzi On Return, Moverare on Opportunity, Utes - LA Kings Insider

WHO: Los Angeles Kings (2-2-1) vs. Vegas Golden Knights (2-2-1) WHAT: NHL PRESEASON GAME WHEN: Thursday, October 6 @ 6:00 PM Pacific WHERE: Vivint Arena – Salt Lake City, UT HOW TO FOLLOW: VIDEO: Bally Sports West – AUDIO – iHeart Radio – TWITTER: @DooleyLAK & @LAKings TONIGHT’S MATCHUP: The...

lakingsinsider.com

Oh, and they guy you interviewed today is reporting the same information "straight from the Kings":

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It's almost like transactions can occur without confirmation from the team's PR department...

Our goalie situation is so f***ed.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

He played 33 games the season before and 70 last year.

Last year he was on the opening night roster and played every game before the Doughty Edler and Walker injuries, so not sure how those guys injuries effected how many games he played. In fact he was in the Kings Top 6 when all those guys were healthy, and then by the end of the year was passed up on the depth chart by Troy Stecher.

All I asked was how common is it for any NHL player to have 100+ games in the NHL at 19 and 20 and then not make the team at 21. It's not exactly a normal way to handle a player you used a 1st round pick on.

Hey apparently Stetcher beat out everyone on the depth chart, including Spence, Grans, Faber, and frankly everyone but Durzi and Roy.

It's almost as if that's a really dishonest example either intentionally or unintentionally discounting how the organization handled vets vs. rookies/kids last year as well as lacking recognizance of what really happened with TB's season.

What is with this trend where people act like hurt/IR'ed guys should have been playing?

 

[All The Kings Men]

It's almost like transactions can occur without confirmation from the team's PR department...

Sure and those guys (Spence/Bjornfot) could absolutely be sent back tomorrow and then never play another NHL game this season.

HOWEVER...

The transactions that Eric tweeted actually WERE from an email sent by the teams PR department.

The Spence/Bjornfot transactions from yesterday were not.

That doesn't necessarily mean anything but the way the information was presented YESTERDAY was "Spence/Bjornfot assigned to Ontario... ergo... the organization has made their decision on that front" and I just don't think that's what happened.

My gripe isn't with technicality it's with context and implication.

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

Sure and those guys (Spence/Bjornfot) could absolutely be sent back tomorrow and then never play another NHL game this season.

HOWEVER...

The transactions that Eric tweeted actually WERE from an email sent by the teams PR department.

The Spence/Bjornfot transactions from yesterday were not.

That doesn't necessarily mean anything but the way the information was presented YESTERDAY was "Spence/Bjornfot assigned to Ontario... ergo... the organization has made their decision on that front" and I just don't think that's what happened.

My gripe isn't with technicality it's with context and implication.

That is what the organization is saying though:



“who were reassigned to Ontario yesterday”

 

[All The Kings Men]

That is what the organization is saying though:



“who were reassigned to Ontario yesterday”

Technically correct.

Totally lacking context that could have been provided by actually attending camp and/or talking to people in the organization.