GDT: Kings Training Camp 2022/2023!

[Sol]

I think the Kings easily have the assets to trade for a goaltender. The problem is the 10.8M in cap space used by 2 goaltenders this season and Cal is getting 5M next season. If Cal doesn't prove himself this season, the Kings are f'd with that type of money on the hook

For sure. That’s the worst part. Petersen I have no hope in personally and I think many feel similarly about him as well. He’s just had too long to not establish himself yet. If Blake can pull off some voodoo and package someone like Walker, petersen at 50% for a goalie I think it’d be the right call.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

As I wrote on the prospects board, There's literally zero chance that Clarke goes back to Juniors. Someone on here said it perfectly, he has the ''lt'' factor that a King prospect hasn't had since Doughty stepped in. His hockey IQ, puck poise, passing, and the way he controls the game at 19 years old is mind boggling.

Zero chance seems to be a bit dramatic. There's way more at play here than what he's going to bring to the team.

 

[johnjm22]

A lot of times when a high end prospect goes an extended period of time without finding their game in the NHL, things end up never clicking for them until they get a change of scenery.

That worries me about Byfield. He looks like a player with a long development arc.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Bjornfot had a very good year, got hurt, came back like he had time to adjust but was in the middle of the playoff push.

Not sure why some of you think he needs more time in the AHL. Just because he is eligible doesn't mean its the best course of action - he is clearly one of the 6 best defenders on the roster and has been adjusting just fine.

Personal opinion doesn't matter. Until shown otherwise, they have 6D on 1 way deals. Unless they keep 8D, leaving us with yet another debate about excess forwards, and if Clarke is that good, there's no spot for Bjornfot based on contracts. It doesn't matter if he's a young guy who already made the team. It's about how the roster was built, and they didn't get rid of anyone that would leave a normal spot open for Bjornfot.

Since Petersen left the game last night with a lower body injury. And the Kings have a ton of defenseman on the line. I dont think it's a bad time to get rid of some Dman for a goaltender.

They have 6 goalies under contract, and I don't believe Petersen is looking at any season ending injury, so much like 16-17 when they just went with Budaj after Quick went down for months, something very similar would likely happen now.

 

[BringTheReign]

Where are people getting stats like Clarke's xGF from preseason games? Is there an account to follow, or do y'all just have subscriptions to Evolving Hockey or Natural Stat Trick?

 

[kinghock]

If Clarke is legit, you just try and move out some assets where we have a glut, in order to make room.

Anderson-Doughty
Chychrun-Roy
Edler-Clarke

Looks good to me. Each pair with a defensive dman, and an offensive dman. Everyone on the correct side.

If it costs you some combination of 1st, Bjornfot, Durzi, Vilardi/JAD, Walker, then oh well. You might be overpaying but you're going to devalue and lose some of these assets anyways, so might as well move out the glut.

Chychrun had 9 injuries during 7 years of playing in NHL.

Majority of his injuries were serious.
His current status is injured without actual date of coming back.
I do not want Kings to trade for him.

 

[All The Kings Men]

Where are people getting stats like Clarke's xGF from preseason games? Is there an account to follow, or do y'all just have subscriptions to Evolving Hockey or Natural Stat Trick?

Some people on twitter are just promoting their own services so they aggregate them, some people are just checking natural stat trick.

Either way... at 2 games I wouldn't put MUCH stock into the fancy stats over the eye test.

 

[johnjm22]

 

[All The Kings Men]

Just to be a grumpy old man...


That twitter account is just taking data from natural stat trick, aggregating it and making it aesthetically more appealing.

And natural stat trick just scrapes data from the NHL



it's all just a cottage industry of repackaging other peoples work

/grump

 

[johnjm22]

Chychrun had 9 injuries during 7 years of playing in NHL.

Majority of his injuries were serous.
His current status is injured without actual date of coming back.
I do not want Kings to trade for him.

It's a major concern. I'm not huge on Chych myself, but there's not many better options on the market, and he fits that 2nd pairing LHD slot nicely. I like Sanheim, but he's a pending UFA. As is Ghost.

Just to be a grumpy old man...


That twitter account is just taking data from natural stat trick, aggregating it and making it aesthetically more appealing.

And natural stat trick just scrapes data from the NHL



it's all just a cottage industry of repackaging other peoples work

/grump

I don't see the problem.

 

[All The Kings Men]

I don't see the problem.

It's not a "problem"... it's just me being grumpy about nothing.

 

[Docgonzo]

There are plenty of young goalies out there that could become available.

Buffalo has Levi, Portillo and UPL

Columbus has Elvis with 5 years left and a NTC with Tarasov in the minors.

NYR has Igor with Garand just turning pro.

Jersey has Blackwood, Viteck and Daws

Nashville has Saros then Askarov and Ingram.

Calgary has Markstrom with 4 years left NTC with Vlader and Wolf.

Vancouver has DiPietro.

Lot of 25 and under goalies could become available soon.

 

[johnjm22]

It's not a "problem"... it's just me being grumpy about nothing.

You're not old enough to be a grumpy old man.

 

[All The Kings Men]

You're not old enough to be a grumpy old man.

I was born a grumpy old man.

 

[dman3474]

Wolf would be good to get, and it’s Calgary. Maybe sutter can talk them into trading him for Iafallo lol

 

[Lt Dan]

I was born a grumpy old man.

Jesse at 5 months

Jesse at 8 months

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

For those wondering about the length and girth of Byfield's stick...

f***ing Sherwood still!

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

You brought up Hughes. Not me. Hughes had a solid D+2, much better than Byfield’s, and a huge breakout in D+3. So by your own generous comparison, Byfield is still behind the curve.

Literally no one here is advocating to trade Byfield. Stop it.

You brought up players having an 'it' factor. I asked you about several players, and you deflected. We don't have to talk about it, but I'm not gonna let you start a god damn magic show of random 'look over here' bullshit.

The point was these guys show 'it' at different rates and we should be god damn giddy Clarke is one of the absolutely rare special ones even amongst ALL lottery picks, not just that he's standing out amongst the slower-to-emerge Kings picks. But it sounds like you disagree or at least won't acknowledge your own point so there's not much to further discuss.

 

[cyclones22]

There are plenty of young goalies out there that could become available.

Buffalo has Levi, Portillo and UPL

Columbus has Elvis with 5 years left and a NTC with Tarasov in the minors.

NYR has Igor with Garand just turning pro.

Jersey has Blackwood, Viteck and Daws

Nashville has Saros then Askarov and Ingram.

Calgary has Markstrom with 4 years left NTC with Vlader and Wolf.

Vancouver has DiPietro.

Lot of 25 and under goalies could become available soon.

The challenge is getting rid of that 5M cap hit IF Cal proves to be not #1 level.

 

[Kudelski37]

The challenge is getting rid of that 5M cap hit IF Cal proves to be not #1 level.

Toronto seems to pick up crap goalies every summer and Blake likes to trade with them. Problem solved.

 

[saintsnsoldiers]

For those wondering about the length and girth of Byfield's stick...

I bet he gets chirped pretty good for the Sherwood equipment haha, hope he is getting paid.

 

[BringTheReign]

I'm a Byfield believer through and through, but Hughes isn't the best comparison because:
1. Hughes played top 6 and power play minutes regardless of results (an opportunity Byfield hasn't been afforded)
2. Hughes had great microstats as a result of being able to handle the puck with all that icetime that predicted his D+3 breakout (transitions, zone entry/exit, high-danger passes)

 

[Fishhead]

A lot of times when a high end prospect goes an extended period of time without finding their game in the NHL, things end up never clicking for them until they get a change of scenery.

That worries me about Byfield. He looks like a player with a long development arc.

Yeah, case in point, Blake Wheeler. Very similar case. Didn't debut until what, D+5? took him even longer to fully break out, that happened at 26.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

You brought up players having an 'it' factor. I asked you about several players, and you deflected. We don't have to talk about it, but I'm not gonna let you start a god damn magic show of random 'look over here' bullshit.

The point was these guys show 'it' at different rates and we should be god damn giddy Clarke is one of the absolutely rare special ones even amongst ALL lottery picks, not just that he's standing out amongst the slower-to-emerge Kings picks. But it sounds like you disagree or at least won't acknowledge your own point so there's not much to further discuss.

I didn’t say anything about an “it” factor. What the hell are you talking about?

This is what I said:

“You’re literally watching a young prospect in Clarke who is actively forcing his way onto the NHL team. This is what people have been wanting QB to do for two years now.”

Then you brought up Jack Hughes ostensibly as a counter example of a slow burn, which arguably makes Byfield look worse.

Stop inventing things I never said. I never said anything about an it factor. I never said Byfield should be traded. If you want to debate the substance of my posts, do so. Stop making shit up.

In fairness to QB. He didn't get the luxury of learning the NHL ropes and improving on a terrible team like Hughes and basically every other high pick for the last dozen years did in their D+1 ,leading to better results in the subsequent years.

20-21 was a complete waste and throw-away year for Byfield, so it's fair to look at last year as the equivalent of Hughes's D+1 where like QB he was completely lost and not ready to play in the league. In Hughes's D+2 he put up a 45 point pace and followed it up with a 90+ point pace last year. I don't think anyone here expects QB to be as good offensively as Hughes, so something like 35-45 points this season and then maybe around 60-65 points the final year of his ELC would be a nice result.

It’s almost as if Hughes is not a good comparable to QB and should’ve never been brought up to begin with.

 

[bmr]

RE: Kings Power Play

Who else is excited about it this year? I'm pumped for 2 reasons:

1) Jim Hiller
2) Rolling 2 legit PP lines: Adding Fiala and Clarke (if he stays) makes us way more dangerous.