Confirmed with Link: Kings Sign Kopitar (2 Years/ $7m AAV)

[Surf Nutz]

Not sure how else to address this, gonna say it a bit louder I DON'T THINK THEY ARE BUILDING AROUND ANY SINGLE PLAYER RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK THEY ARE BUILDING AROUND ANYONE....

Again, when you have a Matthews, McDavid, MacKinnon type player, you can do that.....

Tell me...who did Vegas or FLA build around?

This isn't basketball where you can build around 1 player or 2 etc,

Agree its shoots and ladders, and the league has moved away from the build around after Bolts and Vegas did LTIR reach arounds to grab a Cup or 2.

 

[King'sPawn]

Not sure how else to address this, gonna say it a bit louder I DON'T THINK THEY ARE BUILDING AROUND ANY SINGLE PLAYER RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK THEY ARE BUILDING AROUND ANYONE....

Again, when you have a Matthews, McDavid, MacKinnon type player, you can do that.....

Tell me...who did Vegas or FLA build around?

This isn't basketball where you can build around 1 player or 2 etc,

Sorry, I will speak your language since you're incapable of understanding normal conversation.

CAN YOU... NAME... MORE THAN... ONE... PLAYER.... THAT THE KINGS... ARE BUILDING... AROUND.... SINCE... YOU SAID... THEY AREN'T.... BUILDING AROUND... ONE PLAYER....?

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Sorry, I will speak your language since you're incapable of understanding normal conversation.

CAN YOU... NAME... MORE THAN... ONE... PLAYER.... THAT THE KINGS... ARE BUILDING... AROUND.... SINCE... YOU SAID... THEY AREN'T.... BUILDING AROUND... ONE PLAYER....?

Absolutely

Kempe, Byfield, Kopitar
Moore, Danault, Arviddson
Fiala, Dubois, Kaliyev
Lewis, Lizotte, Grundstrom

Doughty, Anderson
Gavrikov, Roy
Spence, Clarke

 

[tny760]

 

[King'sPawn]

Absolutely

Kempe, Byfield, Kopitar
Moore, Danault, Arviddson
Fiala, Dubois, Kaliyev
Lewis, Lizotte, Grundstrom

Doughty, Anderson
Gavrikov, Roy
Spence, Clarke

So last year, were the Kings building around Durzi, Walker, Petersen, Quick, and all the other people that were traded away?

Why didn't you just say you needed to understand what people meant by "building around player(s)"? Is this really that much more entertaining for you?

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

So last year, were the Kings building around Durzi, Walker, Petersen, Quick, and all the other people that were traded away?

Why didn't you just say you needed to understand what people meant by "building around player(s)"? Is this really that much more entertaining for you?

Again I didn't say there were building around anyone, they don't have such a player to build around like can McDavid etc.

Not every team is BUILT around one player

 

[johnjm22]

Byfield is the opposite, no team is continuing to add expensive outside options at C and re-signing vets if they believed in the guy they used a #2 pick on was going to be an NHL center. At the very least it’s a massive hedge.

Even if Byfield panned out, LA would still need another center for the long term since everyone they've tried there (Kupari, Vilardi, Kempe) hasn't worked out, and Turcotte looks like a bust.

 

[King'sPawn]

Again I didn't say there were building around anyone, they don't have such a player to build around like can McDavid etc.

Not every team is BUILT around one player

I'm concerned you may be confused by a simple line of questioning. If you do not think the Kings are building around a singular player, do you think the Kings are building around a group of players? If yes, who? Or do you think they are building around the entire roster? Or do you think the Kings aren't building around anyone at all?

You pointed out that the Kings aren't building around Kopitar, then provided a list of prospects that the Kings accumulated while they sucked - so I'm assuming you feel the Kings are trying to build around a subset of them, no?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

you guys are much more patient than me.

After three years of asking questions in good faith, when the only answers are variations of changing the subject entirely and 'f*** you,' ignore is the best option.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I'm concerned you may be confused by a simple line of questioning. If you do not think the Kings are building around a singular player, do you think the Kings are building around a group of players? If yes, who? Or do you think they are building around the entire roster? Or do you think the Kings aren't building around anyone at all?

You pointed out that the Kings aren't building around Kopitar, then provided a list of prospects that the Kings accumulated while they sucked - so I'm assuming you feel the Kings are trying to build around a subset of them, no?

Not confused at all, you just don't seem to grasp what I am saying, I was responding to the poster who said that after 2019/2020 that LA should have moved on from Kopitar collected 3-5 year of picks etc. I listed the 3-5 years of picks they DID acquire, (argument of the level of talent aside) they did that, and I don't believe they are building around Kopitar.

I don't believe they are building around ANYONE.....they are building a team, they don't have a single player to build around yet, like a McDavid, a Matthews, a MacKinnon etc, not every team is built around one player, or a group of players,

Who did FLA build around? Or LV? or Seattle?

 

[Sol]

I think the plan would be

1C Pld
2C. Byfield
3C. Danault as the Handzus player.

I really wouldn’t be against this all too much either if Kopitar wasn’t signed on to straddle the first c again

 

[King'sPawn]

Not confused at all, you just don't seem to grasp what I am saying, I was responding to the poster who said that after 2019/2020 that LA should have moved on from Kopitar collected 3-5 year of picks etc. I listed the 3-5 years of picks they DID acquire, (argument of the level of talent aside) they did that, and I don't believe they are building around Kopitar.

I don't believe they are building around ANYONE.....they are building a team, they don't have a single player to build around yet, like a McDavid, a Matthews, a MacKinnon etc, not every team is built around one player, or a group of players,

Who did FLA build around? Or LV? or Seattle?

Looks to me that Florida is trying to have a core centered around Tkachuk, Barkov, Ekblad as a central core of players their team is centered around.

Vegas is built around Eichel, Stone, and Marchessault.

Seattle is building around Beniers. You know, the first player they drafted two years ago?

Every organization is building a team. That's a platitude, unless you want to identify one who's actively trying to deconstruct a team. Every organization has to identify a core of players they are building the team around to achieve whatever goals they are trying to achieve beyond simply building a team.

The reason why people are saying that the Kings are building around Kopitar is because they are committing the next three years to him making the same salary he earned last year. And the past several seasons, they have counted on Kopitar to be the No. 1 center, playing in all situations. The only time someone will take Kopitar's place is if he gets injured or retires.

So, I do grasp what you're saying. You don't understand what building around players means. And that's okay. But your struggle to grasp the concept of what we're talking about will once again lead to nowhere when you continue to argue with people.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Looks to me that Florida is trying to have a core centered around Tkachuk, Barkov, Ekblad as a central core of players their team is centered around.

Vegas is built around Eichel, Stone, and Marchessault.

Seattle is building around Beniers. You know, the first player they drafted two years ago?

Every organization is building a team. That's a platitude, unless you want to identify one who's actively trying to deconstruct a team. Every organization has to identify a core of players they are building the team around to achieve whatever goals they are trying to achieve beyond simply building a team.

The reason why people are saying that the Kings are building around Kopitar is because they are committing the next three years to him making the same salary he earned last year. And the past several seasons, they have counted on Kopitar to be the No. 1 center, playing in all situations. The only time someone will take Kopitar's place is if he gets injured or retires.

So, I do grasp what you're saying. You don't understand what building around players means. And that's okay. But your struggle to grasp the concept of what we're talking about will once again lead to nowhere when you continue to argue with people.

It's quite easy to see what Blake is building around. Check contract lengths of guys he's signed recently. Tells ya all you need to know.

Is that going to be successful? Who knows.

 

[Statto]

There was nothing reasonable about signing him to a 4 year $10M deal after just 100 games across 2 seasons. Too much money for too little performance.

It was done because there were no prospects, so Blake was desperate to lock up a pleasant surprise that fell in his lap.

Fine, reasonable opinion but the view that it’s because he went to the same college is made up rubbish.

Or he's in a less defensive system. And Brown hasn't been glued to his hip the past couple years.

Don't get me wrong, Kopitar's my favorite player all-time, but correlation =/= causation. I fully believe he's capable of still being productive for the next few years, but I wouldn't expect him to keep the same scoring rate. I definitely don't think it will get better with age.

Ideally other guys push past him on the depth chart and he can bully teams as he gets better matchups. If that happens the deal looks better.

 

[Statto]

its conjecture. Are you saying that youre certain Walker being an alum played no part in his signing? If you read my post, i was making a nuanced point that its natural to lean toward hiring friends and feeling influenced by loyalties such as alumni connections. But if you do it too much, obviously you dont get the best people on board.

I could see it in a back office context… friends of friends etc. however giving Walker an extra year, or an extra .5 because of college… no. Contextually it would make zero sense.

 

[AbsentMojo]

I could see it in a back office context… friends of friends etc. however giving Walker an extra year, or an extra .5 because of college… no. Contextually it would make zero sense.

After further thought, I may concede to your point on Walker based on RB giving longish expensive contracts based on small sample sizes to Peterson and Moore.

 

[Sol]

It's quite easy to see what Blake is building around. Check contract lengths of guys he's signed recently. Tells ya all you need to know.

Is that going to be successful? Who knows.

Lemme tell you something. If they’re trading for a guy and getting a max contract for him then that should tell you how successful the rebuild is. So no it’s not going to be successful if after a rebuild our number one player came from a trade to guide the team. A failed rebuild is a failed team.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Lemme tell you something. If they’re trading for a guy and getting a max contract for him then that should tell you how successful the rebuild is. So no it’s not going to be successful if after a rebuild our number one player came from a trade to guide the team. A failed rebuild is a failed team.

Trading for Richards with 8 years left & Carter with 10 years left means the last rebuild was a failure?

 

[Herby]

Trading for Richards with 8 years left & Carter with 10 years left means the last rebuild was a failure?

I think there is a clear difference in adding veterans when you have already drafted and developed a star 1C-1D and 1G like the previous rebuild did.

 

[Sol]

Trading for Richards with 8 years left & Carter with 10 years left means the last rebuild was a failure?

Conveniently ignoring the fact that Richards and Carter were additions to the core.

Why you gotta distort things bro? If you can’t argue the point then don’t. What’s the point of pretending that Kopitar wasn’t our 1 center in his prime? The same with Doughty. The core was already there. This team is obviously PLDs right now.

 

[johnjm22]

Going into the 2012 season people forget how many holes the roster had even after the Richards trade.

Ethan Moreau, Trent Hunter, Scott Parse and Gagne were all in the starting lineup.

Dean signing Moreau, Hunter and Gagne were his attempts to fill out the roster on the cheap. These guys were on their last legs. Both Moreau and Hunter retired soon after. Kind of feels like the Lewis signing.

As the season went on the Kings worked to fix the roster issues. That's probably what they're going to try and do this season as well.

 

[Sol]

Going into the 2012 season people forget how many holes the roster had even after the Richards trade.

Ethan Moreau, Trent Hunter, Scott Parse and Gagne were all in the starting lineup.

Dean signing Moreau, Hunter and Gagne were his attempts to fill out the roster on the cheap. These guys were on their last legs. Both Moreau and Hunter retired soon after. Kind of feels like the Lewis signing.

As the season went on the Kings worked to fix the roster issues. That's probably what they're going to try and do this season as well.

That’s not really an honest depiction of what happened. Ethan Moreau and Trent Hunter was Dean dumpster diving for character. It wasn’t “plugging up” holes. More like he was trying to construct a gritty team.

Second, let’s say I grant you that. Would you rather have rubbish on the team but know you have a foundation set with Doughty Kopitar and Quick?

You will have to do some serious mental gymnastics to compare 2012 when they had a solid foundation to build on and compare it to now when they still have nothing.

 

[johnjm22]

That’s not really an honest depiction of what happened. Ethan Moreau and Trent Hunter was Dean dumpster diving for character. It wasn’t “plugging up” holes. More like he was trying to construct a gritty team.

Second, let’s say I grant you that. Would you rather have rubbish on the team but know you have a foundation set with Doughty Kopitar and Quick?

You will have to do some serious mental gymnastics to compare 2012 when they had a solid foundation to build on and compare it to now when they still have nothing.

The current situation is not really comparable to 2012, and it did have a better foundation, but you're going to have to do real mental gymnastics to try and say that roster didn't have holes in it and wasn't a work in progress. It clearly was as evidenced by their play on the ice. That's why Dean had to make so many in-season moves to fix it.

 

[Trash Panda]

you guys are much more patient than me.

After three years of asking questions in good faith, when the only answers are variations of changing the subject entirely and 'f*** you,' ignore is the best option.

If I didn’t know any better, I’d say that I stumbled onto yet another GBH classic.

God bless the ignore button.

 

[Statto]

After further thought, I may concede to your point on Walker based on RB giving longish expensive contracts based on small sample sizes to Peterson and Moore.

Hell, I guess it’s possible… especially as it’d make no sense