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@bernmeister

If NYR trade for Chychrun, don't you think it would cost 3 valuable assets? (Youth and non-drafted players from a 1st?)
Then trading Chychrun with 2 additional youth players for Byfield seems to go against everything you preach on about considering they give up 6 youth/assets for Byfield.
plan to post a thread this w'e discussing some of this but short direct answer is: NY can trade vets for vets, vets for youth, and youth for youth. But it cannot trade youth for vets.

It's so funny that bern tries to offer for Byfield but if anyone offers for Laf/Kakko he goes crazy saying there's no way they can be traded

He actually said he would not do a trade involving Laf, Kakko and other young players for f***ing McDavid. He said no, forcefully too.

Then he talks about the pot calling the kettle black. Hilarious shit

To repeat: NY can trade vets for vets, vets for youth, and youth for youth. But it cannot trade youth for vets.
I am consistent.

well nobody takes bern serious so theres that.
do so at your own peril
move over Reggie effin Jackson, bern is the straw that stirs the drink

Guess you could see if he can play the RW or trade Kreider to make space.

What's the ask on Kreider?
Kreider unavailable and like almost everyone else on NYR has nmc or other trade restriction
 

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Well if not this trade deadline then this offseason we are certainly going to be trading youth for "vets"

I assume by "vets" you mean anyone who has a contract that is more than a bridge because you are calling McDavid a "vet" when he's like 25
 

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Hey Ranger friends

What would you actually ask for Robertson from the Kings.

I would prefer a real 1vs1 hockey trade, not those weird 7 teams involved back and forth retention
and conditioned pick mess, that talks about everyone but Roberts

Send over the paperwork.

Most fair deal I've seen on here in months.
 

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What would Lindgren cost? Just curious.

Let the world note that, completely unprovoked, there is proof kINGS fan or 2 or more would be open to talking about Lindy.

For cap mgmt reasons alone, considering Robertson did very well, I would trade Lindy now if return was high enough. Remember, this is a guy who is playing very well on 1LD w/Norris winning partner

Thinking Vilardi as a good project, would consider other young pivots, but would have to be above Madden class
 

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Let the world note that, completely unprovoked, there is proof kINGS fan or 2 or more would be open to talking about Lindy.

For cap mgmt reasons alone, considering Robertson did very well, I would trade Lindy now if return was high enough. Remember, this is a guy who is playing very well on 1LD w/Norris winning partner

Thinking Vilardi as a good project, would consider other young pivots, but would have to be above Madden class

This question was from only 1 Kings fan, not from 2 or more.
I believe the rest do not want Lindgren period.
 
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What would you offer for a young (just turned 24), first pairing defensemen who is signed through 23-24 at a 3M AAV?

Maybe a better question is: why would you trade a guy like that?
I'm not saying I want to move him. I just don't get these types of posts. So, If we gave you Lindgren for a 2022 7th round pick, you don't want him? The response usually shows that the poster barely knows their own team let alone teams in other markets.

edit, you didn't respond to me; never mind.
 

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Even is we say Robertson replaces Lindgren. It won't be next season. It makes no sense to trade a fiesty player like Lindgren, when we don't have a better option for LD1. Unless your team is absolutely stcked on the left side, he's very useful.
 

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Even is we say Robertson replaces Lindgren. It won't be next season. It makes no sense to trade a fiesty player like Lindgren, when we don't have a better option for LD1. Unless your team is absolutely stcked on the left side, he's very useful.
Especially on his contract. He's very valuable at only 3 mil.
 
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Even is we say Robertson replaces Lindgren. It won't be next season. It makes no sense to trade a fiesty player like Lindgren, when we don't have a better option for LD1. Unless your team is absolutely stcked on the left side, he's very useful.
I like Robertson. That said, I don't know if he really replaces Lindgren. Even when Fox was out leading up to the ASG break, Lindgren was still playing 20 minutes a night. And more than effectively.
 

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why would you not want Lindgren? Just curious.

I do not want Lindgren on Kings, because LA already has pretty similar player in Mikey Anderson.
Kings needs upgrade on LD and Lindgren is not an upgrade over Mikey Anderson.
LA has surplus of RD and centers, which will be used on upgrade for LD position.
 
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This question was from only 1 Kings fan, not from 2 or more.
I believe the rest do not want Lindgren period.

fine and I said "or",
But freedom of speech should prevail here.
As many as are interested should advance the ? of if Lindy is a good fit for their club, including LAK, and by same token, as many who prefer another direction and no Lindy should feel welcomed to state that preference.
 

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What would you offer for a young (just turned 24), first pairing defensemen who is signed through 23-24 at a 3M AAV?

Maybe a better question is: why would you trade a guy like that?

Even is we say Robertson replaces Lindgren. It won't be next season. It makes no sense to trade a fiesty player like Lindgren, when we don't have a better option for LD1. Unless your team is absolutely stcked on the left side, he's very useful.

Especially on his contract. He's very valuable at only 3 mil.

I like Robertson. That said, I don't know if he really replaces Lindgren. Even when Fox was out leading up to the ASG break, Lindgren was still playing 20 minutes a night. And more than effectively.

Fellow NYR fans do not want to face the music and take their medicine, instead kicking the can down the road instead of proactively dealing with stuff.

We have enuf if Strome+Geo+Nemeth+Hajek not replaced/substituted, add recovery of Hank 1.5 buyout cap hit, to = 11m + for Fox + Zib.

We still need scratch $ for Kakko, LaF +++. There is enuf writing on the wall that they see most of Trouba's 8m will go as soon as it can, whether that is sooner or later, and latest scenario is only 2 seasons more hence. Thus they can be a bit reasonable on a bridge that covers close to when first that happens and then Panarin's deal is up and he goes buh bye or is re-signed for a lot less.
Howev, in the meantime, every nickel will have to be scratched. Robertson played very well, was runner up to Schneider in some rating. Some growing pains/learning curve at NHL level, likely if not probably. But no ?, selling high on Lindy and replacing his reasonable 3 x 3 with an even more affordable elc is NO ? the only way to go here.
I get he is a fan favorite, Fox preference, etc, but math does not lie. Fox + Panarin are getting close to max top $, they can't complain when team, despite spending to cap max, can't be more generous.

We need to get down to a real core, and that means going younger still b'c youth = cheaper elcs/rfas. A core w'o excess will allow guys to play with regular partners/linemates which will promote efficiency, chemistry etc.
 

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Laf doesn't need a contract next season. Adding him as a reason to move Lindgren right now is ridiculous. Why not wait until the following season? It's not like Lindgren is losing a ton of value and needs to be sold right now. Get rid of Lindgren to free up space for Kakko is also a joke considering he hasn't earned anything yet.
 

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Laf doesn't need a contract next season. Adding him as a reason to move Lindgren right now is ridiculous. Why not wait until the following season? It's not like Lindgren is losing a ton of value and needs to be sold right now. Get rid of Lindgren to free up space for Kakko is also a joke considering he hasn't earned anything yet.
Its like he thinks both Kakko and Laf are going to get mega deals. In reality they are going to get a mid range bridge at most. Bizarro land.
 

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Laf doesn't need a contract next season. Adding him as a reason to move Lindgren right now is ridiculous. Why not wait until the following season? It's not like Lindgren is losing a ton of value and needs to be sold right now. Get rid of Lindgren to free up space for Kakko is also a joke considering he hasn't earned anything yet.

Its like he thinks both Kakko and Laf are going to get mega deals. In reality they are going to get a mid range bridge at most. Bizarro land.

KK + LaF will get bridge deals and they will still need more. But like it or not LINDY will go, it is only a matter of when. If enuf is on the table now, take it, and give Robertson development mins; otherwise, wait and deal Lindy later which means this offseason, due to cap. Stop pretending we do not have to yield to the cap.
 

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KK + LaF will get bridge deals and they will still need more. But like it or not LINDY will go, it is only a matter of when. If enuf is on the table now, take it, and give Robertson development mins; otherwise, wait and deal Lindy later which means this offseason, due to cap. Stop pretending we do not have to yield to the cap.
You trade goodrow, nemeth, chytil and reaves before you trade lindgren. Robertson is a prospect playing in the Ahl. That’s the cap reality you do.
 

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KK + LaF will get bridge deals and they will still need more. But like it or not LINDY will go, it is only a matter of when. If enuf is on the table now, take it, and give Robertson development mins; otherwise, wait and deal Lindy later which means this offseason, due to cap. Stop pretending we do not have to yield to the cap.
We don't have to take it now. That's the thing. Robertson isn't taking his spot with development minutes right now. The letter came out 4 years ago. NYR are not rebuilding anymore. They're competing, or at least trying to. This isn't you're typical rebuild. Rangers had Fox, Trouba, and Panarin want to sign in NY. Zibanejad became a 1c productive player. There is no time for just giving minutes to all youth players.
 
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