Proposal: Kings-Rangers

[bernmeister]

I do not want to do a megadeal for your core bluest blue chips, and Byfield is not on the table.
You are overvaluing your prospects while undervaluing ours.
Under these conditions I do not believe trade is possible between these 2 teams.
P.S. Can you please stop to offer Lindgren to Kings for like 10th time?
We do not want/need him at all.

If your opinion is representative of majority of LAK fans, then I agree we do not have a deal, and I am not optimistic we can do a deal. While I agree the return is respectable/not chopped liver, we value KAM + Robertson more highly than you would offer.
Will wait to see what the rest of your base says about Byfield.

And just for the record, I did NOT offer Lindgren in this post. Go + reread it pls. You saw his name and ASSUMED it was part of the package, which it was not,

 

[Schmooley]

If your opinion is representative of majority of LAK fans, then I agree we do not have a deal, and I am not optimistic we can do a deal. While I agree the return is respectable/not chopped liver, we value KAM + Robertson more highly than you would offer.
Will wait to see what the rest of your base says about Byfield.

And just for the record, I did NOT offer Lindgren in this post. Go + reread it pls. You saw his name and ASSUMED it was part of the package, which it was not,

There is zero chance Byfield is being traded for K Andre Miller

 

[bernmeister]

I believe that only 3 NY prospects or young players will have interest for Kings:
Robertson, Miller and Schneider.
All other Rangers prospects are only duplications or inferior to LA prospects.
If those 3 are not available there is no trade to be made between these 2 teams.
P.S. I assume that Fox and Lafreniere are not available either…

I thought you had zero interest in any RD, not that Schneid is available. Don't be pot calling the kettle.

 

[bernmeister]

See, this is where you always get it wrong.
Not every trade needs to be a slamdunk, there is no reason to blow everything out of proportions.
Kupari vs Robertson fills the need of both teams, there is absolutely no reason at all to add or substract.

Especially, when the OP is Robertson in a 1vs1 trade, no other teams or assets involved.

I would really love to see one of your creative trades coming true one day since you put so much afford into even calculating the last penny.
But we live in reality and GM's don't have time for stuff like that.
They just look at how to make the team better and fact is that Kupari would help the Rangers young center problem as much as Robertson would fill the same gap for the Kings.

I really though we are past this Kakko, Laf and Byfield nonsense

It is not big homerun nonsense.
If we blow Robertson on Kupari he is not available either for us or as part of a bigger package.
Like I said, = value is not enuf as NY does NOT have immediate pivot concern, only looking to add to future pivot depth, and while Rob for Kup makes a good case, having Rob for NY future is arguably a better case.
Unless there is too much on the table.

Now I did not offer Robertson for Byfield, or KAM for Byfield, I offered
Robertson and KAM ++ for Byfield/+.

Depending on what that + is, that might not be unreasonable.

Also, if I were to offer enuf to get Chychrun -- which is a big IF -- but jut hypothetically:
would you turn down Chych, Rob + KAM + 1st for Byfield + Villardi?

A full solution to your LD in one fell swoop, and a reboot on Vil?

I get you may prefer to keep Byfield and deal your pivot depth for need. But NYR is in reciprocal position, except it has less depth. We should not deal Robbie unless too much is on the table b'c we need to prepare for Lindgren's cap being recovered via trade -- not nec to LA.

 

[go4hockey]

There is zero chance Byfield is being traded

Fixed it for you.

 

[kinghock]

I thought you had zero interest in any RD, not that Schneid is available. Don't be pot calling the kettle.

Schneider is not any RD and you know it…
Miller and Robertson are not the same level prospects comparing to Byfield.
You can keep them if you are looking for Byfield type of return…

 

[bernmeister]

Turcotte's ceiling is 3C (he does not have high end skill). Kravtsov's ceiling 1RW. Turcotte has a much greater chance of reaching his ceiling. Neither has done much in the NHL although Turcotte is here; that is the reason why LA doesn't do this.

Turcotte, a 5OA, prob has enough skill; not sure about his current skating. He's 5'11 which is okay but bucking the trend of bigger stronger faster which Krav is, along with being an outstanding skater,

I concur Krav is first line F, a W with outside chance he can succeed at C if given the opportunity.
I would be a little more generous on Turcotte and give him a chance to fail, which tho he has not yet cracked LA varsity, I would not go there yet. Would say his ceiling is 2C with outside chance of increased potential if he has chemistry with the right first line linemates.

 

[bernmeister]

No idea what you are talking about.
We don't need any veteran, we just ride out the contracts of our old folks and that's it.
There is no future for them ahead or right now.
We keep building our team for the time after Kopitar, Brown and Doughty.

This makes the Rangers and Kings perfect trading partners.
They need a young center and we need high end defense prospects beside that ones we already have.

More like "can use" and not "need".
That is why unless a deal is crazy too good, it will only involve surplus, or NY should not make the trade.

 

[bernmeister]

There is zero chance Byfield is being traded for K Andre Miller

I don't expect that to even be considered. Just to be clear, I did NOT propose 1:1 which is what this falsely states.

 

[kinghock]

It is not big homerun nonsense.
If we blow Robertson on Kupari he is not available either for us or as part of a bigger package.
Like I said, = value is not enuf as NY does NOT have immediate pivot concern, only looking to add to future pivot depth, and while Rob for Kup makes a good case, having Rob for NY future is arguably a better case.
Unless there is too much on the table.

Now I did not offer Robertson for Byfield, or KAM for Byfield, I offered
Robertson and KAM ++ for Byfield/+.

Depending on what that + is, that might not be unreasonable.

Also, if I were to offer enuf to get Chychrun -- which is a big IF -- but jut hypothetically:
would you turn down Chych, Rob + KAM + 1st for Byfield + Villardi?

A full solution to your LD in one fell swoop, and a reboot on Vil?

I get you may prefer to keep Byfield and deal your pivot depth for need. But NYR is in reciprocal position, except it has less depth. We should not deal Robbie unless too much is on the table b'c we need to prepare for Lindgren's cap being recovered via trade -- not nec to LA.

Robertson and KAM ++ for Byfield/+ is typical quantity for quality trade.
You do not like these kind of deals, why do you think Kings will jump on it?
Can you try to think from another team point of view?

 

[Kurrilino]

It is not big homerun nonsense.
If we blow Robertson on Kupari he is not available either for us or as part of a bigger package.
Like I said, = value is not enuf as NY does NOT have immediate pivot concern, only looking to add to future pivot depth, and while Rob for Kup makes a good case, having Rob for NY future is arguably a better case.
Unless there is too much on the table.

Now I did not offer Robertson for Byfield, or KAM for Byfield, I offered
Robertson and KAM ++ for Byfield/+.

Depending on what that + is, that might not be unreasonable.

Also, if I were to offer enuf to get Chychrun -- which is a big IF -- but jut hypothetically:
would you turn down Chych, Rob + KAM + 1st for Byfield + Villardi?

A full solution to your LD in one fell swoop, and a reboot on Vil?

I get you may prefer to keep Byfield and deal your pivot depth for need. But NYR is in reciprocal position, except it has less depth. We should not deal Robbie unless too much is on the table b'c we need to prepare for Lindgren's cap being recovered via trade -- not nec to LA.

yeah, we can stop right here.

Every Rangers fan but you agreed to this trade and i take it.

If you want something else discussed, we can start a complete new conversation but this one was Robertson 1vs1 and it has been resolved in an absolute rare manner.

Just to set the parameters, i am not interested in any other defender then Robertson.
He fills a slight need and we are set on defense.

Everything else can be discussed but i already have rough idea that NY has nothing available that makes us trade Byfield

 

[FSL KINGS]

Why would LA trade Byfield?

 

[bernmeister]

Schneider is not any RD and you know it…
Miller and Robertson are not the same level prospects comparing to Byfield.
You can keep them if you are looking for Byfield type of return…

Not the pt, just making clear you said one thing and then something else as to Schneid. Pt is moot he is not on the table.

Byfield is upper shelf premium but he is not Bobby Orr.
I concede only a reasonably signif + is needed, but Kam + Rob are not chopped liver, either.

You want to keep Byfield as your Kopitar replacement, you're entitled.
But then solve your LD problem on your own.

 

[Kurrilino]

I don't expect that to even be considered. Just to be clear, I did NOT propose 1:1 which is what this falsely states.

I People are just traumatized by your Byfield proposals
We can save us all some headache if you would understand, that Byfield is not up for trade.
Not 1:1 and not 100:1 or other teams involvement

So please stick to the parameters, Kings fans give you. Everything else is a waste of time

 

[bernmeister]

Why would LA trade Byfield?

They would not and should not unless there is enuf on the table.
The ? is theoretically if KAM + Robertson is augmented by something like Chychrun or more realistically a bit less, is that close to enuf?

 

[bernmeister]

yeah, we can stop right here.

Every Rangers fan but you agreed to this trade and i take it.

If you want something else discussed, we can start a complete new conversation but this one was Robertson 1vs1 and it has been resolved in an absolute rare manner.

Just to set the parameters, i am not interested in any other defender then Robertson.
He fills a slight need and we are set on defense.

Everything else can be discussed but i already have rough idea that NY has nothing available that makes us trade Byfield

Fine. and I present the rebuttal that NY should look long term and hold Robertson which some besides me DID agree to.

 

[kinghock]

Why would LA trade Byfield?

There is one big reason for it, because bernmeister wants him for NY.
The rest is irrelevant.

 

[bernmeister]

I People are just traumatized by your Byfield proposals
We can save us all some headache if you would understand, that Byfield is not up for trade.
Not 1:1 and not 100:1 or other teams involvement

So please stick to the parameters, Kings fans give you. Everything else is a waste of time

Fine, but just to be clear, you are saying if NY managed to get Chychrun from 'yotes, you would NOT do
a core of Chych + KAM + Robertson for Byfield.

Yes or no, is that correct?

 

[Kurrilino]

They would not and should not unless there is enuf on the table.
The ? is theoretically if KAM + Robertson is augmented by something like Chychrun or more realistically a bit less, is that close to enuf?

Is it enough is the wrong question.

Is L.A. interested in Chychrun and/or KAM is the right question and the answer is no.
Getting Robertson in is already kind of a luxury
Our defense already looks like
Anderson - Doughty
Bjornfoot - Clarke
xxx - Durzi

Durzi has shown the talent that he might be able top kick one of the top 4 off their position
That leaves 1 spot open and we have talent like Grans and Faber coming in who look incredible good right now.
So where the hell would we even put Chychrun, KAM and Robertson?

 

[Kurrilino]

Fine, but just to be clear, you are saying if NY managed to get Chychrun from 'yotes, you would NOT do
a core of Chych + KAM + Robertson for Byfield.

Yes or no, is that correct?

This is correct, i would say no
In this particular trade, Byfield is not the keyword

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I’ll call off Bern in exchange for Byfield

 

[Rob Sense]

His "one million per goal" for Danault has found half of Phil's contract paid for already so he has to follows us around and double down on something else.

We will see how much per goal over the term of the contract. You can call me out once we have the evidence. His past is the strongest predictor of his future. Are you on the hook for the money? is that why you are so testy? Not following you around so don't flatter yourself. Just here to see what outrageous over-evaluation you will come up with next.

 

[kinghock]

Not the pt, just making clear you said one thing and then something else as to Schneid. Pt is moot he is not on the table.

Byfield is upper shelf premium but he is not Bobby Orr.
I concede only a reasonably signif + is needed, but Kam + Rob are not chopped liver, either.

You want to keep Byfield as your Kopitar replacement, you're entitled.
But then solve your LD problem on your own.

I do not think Kings fans asked you to solve our LD problem.
I believe this issue can be eradicated using LA surplus of RD and centers.
Solution you are proposing benefits greatly your team only.
I believe Kings management will find smart hockey trades for our team to fix LD problem...

 

[bernmeister]

Is it enough is the wrong question.

Is L.A. interested in Chychrun and/or KAM is the right question and the answer is no.
Getting Robertson in is already kind of a luxury
Our defense already looks like
Anderson - Doughty
Bjornfoot - Clarke
xxx - Durzi

Durzi has shown the talent that he might be able top kick one of the top 4 off their position
That leaves 1 spot open and we have talent like Grans and Faber coming in who look incredible good right now.
So where the hell would we even put Chychrun, KAM and Robertson?

Okay, this narrative is dif from what has been in these threads about how LA has nobody/nobody any time soon on LD side. If you are correct, then indeed you are adding surplus, tho I like Chych KAM + Robertson competing vs that group, based on what we have seen of Chych + KAM here in NHL and Robertson just behind Schneider in the A.

So if your assessment jives with rest of LAK fans here, then fine, offer for Byfield withdrawn. But in that case again, no Robertson for = value, he is more useful internally or for someone who will pay more than fair value, just like Schneider.

 

[bernmeister]

I’ll call off Bern in exchange for Byfield

Funny, but no one controls bern.