Post-Game Talk: Kings crown the Jets 4-1

[Jets 31]

Man your patience is boardering sainthood. If only I can channel that lol.

This helps, alot .I love this gif .

 

[surixon]

It's frustrating for sure, but I think the team was flying too high for awhile, near the top of the mountain in the West, exceeding expectations. And when you exceed expectations and then crash down to earth, with a harder schedule down the stretch, there's bound to be disappointment.

The 2019 team was able to mitigate some of that crash with quality depth...that's not a luxury Winnipeg has anymore, especially at forward. If anything St. Louis was a good lesson about the importance of finishing strong vs. starting strong.

I still think this team is more like the 2021 team. Not a great team on paper, but played well enough to win on many nights. Stumbled mightily into the playoffs, with Calgary also falling apart at the same time.

Not much was thought of that team heading into the playoffs, because of the way they limped in, but once the series started the team was dialed in.

2 wins this week, a Calgary loss, and a couple of Nashville losses and the Jets will be sitting pretty good for that final playoff spot.

At the beginning of this season I think any fan would have been happy with a playoff result, after last year's disappointment.

Winning the West would have been quite the accomplishment, but beating Vegas in the playoffs would feel good, be redemption for a few guys here.

I don't think this core stays together next year, so it's going to look different. How different I guess depends on how well this team plays down this stretch.

Fixing the PP should be the priority right now, I think that might be the biggest frustration here.

Good and reasonable post. I think most did think we'd be a bubble team and that is what we are. I just would have liked a smoother ride to this point and not the massive peaks and valleys we got.

I still though am not a fan on how we play in the ozone. I hope someone talks to the coach because it provides little entertainment value.

 

[ps241]

It's frustrating for sure, but I think the team was flying too high for awhile, near the top of the mountain in the West, exceeding expectations. And when you exceed expectations and then crash down to earth, with a harder schedule down the stretch, there's bound to be disappointment.

The 2019 team was able to mitigate some of that crash with quality depth...that's not a luxury Winnipeg has anymore, especially at forward. If anything St. Louis was a good lesson about the importance of finishing strong vs. starting strong.

I still think this team is more like the 2021 team. Not a great team on paper, but played well enough to win on many nights. Stumbled mightily into the playoffs, with Calgary also falling apart at the same time.

Not much was thought of that team heading into the playoffs, because of the way they limped in, but once the series started the team was dialed in.

2 wins this week, a Calgary loss, and a couple of Nashville losses and the Jets will be sitting pretty good for that final playoff spot.

At the beginning of this season I think any fan would have been happy with a playoff result, after last year's disappointment.

Winning the West would have been quite the accomplishment, but beating Vegas in the playoffs would feel good, be redemption for a few guys here.

I don't think this core stays together next year, so it's going to look different. How different I guess depends on how well this team plays down this stretch.

Fixing the PP should be the priority right now, I think that might be the biggest frustration here.

If we make the playoffs I would like a shot at Vegas (hoping they are top team in the west). We have very little to lose anymore and that upset win would feel by far the best to me if any of the options.

(I am posting this assuming 2nd Wildcard would play top seed without checking)

 

[Jets 31]

Is Scheifele a whipping boy or is the criticism of his play of late legitimate?
He needs to step it up and soon, this team needs him.
If he is immune to be criticized then they all should be.
Is it the roster or is it coaching?
Probably a bit of both.
Cannot believe his far this team has fallen.
I guess we tend to gloss over the games Helle steals and when he isn’t able to we see the reality of what our roster and coaching is.
Cheveldayoff and Chipman have a lot of work to do this offseason.
Fans won’t support this mediocrity especially if there is no apparent changes to the roster.
They exceeded expectations the first half which means the potential is there.
This second half has been crap to watch.
What gives?

First thing i would do is get Wheeler away from Scheifele, when Scheifele was playing good this season he wasn't playing with Wheeler. Then i'm moving either Barron or Namestnikov up and Wheeler down. Probably just a Band-Aid move but what we are doing right now ain't working so time to shake it up a little.

 

[Jet]

It's been very difficult watching this team play most nights the past couple months.

Having said that, our improved defensive play is tailor made for the playoffs.

Can Hellebuyck find that next level that had him in the Vezina conversation? Can our scorers start scoring at expected rates again?

Those are the 2 big questions. I don't think the patient is dead yet.

I'm still really excited for the playoffs and curious more than anything to see how this group plays.

 

[ps241]

Good and reasonable post. I think most did think we'd be a bubble team and that is what we are. I just would have liked a smoother ride to this point and not the massive peaks and valleys we got.

I still though am not a fan on how we play in the ozone. I hope someone talks to the coach because it provides little entertainment value.

Dallas fans warned us you trade offence for defence. Elliott Friedman called the Bowness Stars style 3 yards and a cloud of dust. The odd part is we didn’t seem as offensively stymied in the first half of the season.

 

[ps241]

It's been very difficult watching this team play most nights the past couple months.

Having said that, our improved defensive play is tailor made for the playoffs.

Can Hellebuyck find that next level that had him in the Vezina conversation? Can our scorers start scoring at expected rates again?

Those are the 2 big questions. I don't think the patient is dead yet.

I'm still really excited for the playoffs and curious more than anything to see how this group plays.

This is where I am landing. The NHL playoffs teach us the same lesson every year, it is a new season.

If I was grading our odds of flipping the switch it wouldn’t be pretty but I will get my white out on and hope for a hot streak.

Lord knows we’re overdue

 

[ps241]

This helps, alot .I love this gif .

Everyone I show this to laughs hard.

 

[Jets 31]

Everyone I show this to laughs hard.

I know me too, just brilliant comedy.

 

[Jets 31]

This is where I am landing. The NHL playoffs teach us the same lesson every year, it is a new season.

If I was grading our odds of flipping the switch it wouldn’t be pretty but I will get my white out on and hope for a hot streak.

Lord knows we’re overdue

It's been a while because of covid and a shity team last season, let's go do this.

 

[Ducky10]

Almost like playing in a market that difference makers won't veto and willingly sign in, is an advantage.

No denying that’s a reality but honestly other than Fiala, who are the big difference makers they went out and signed? Arvidsson? The Kings roster actually looks more realistic for Winnipeg than the one we have

 

[surixon]

Dallas fans warned us you trade offence for defence. Elliott Friedman called the Bowness Stars style 3 yards and a cloud of dust. The odd part is we didn’t seem as offensively stymied in the first half of the season.

@ecolad made a good point on that. He stated Bones likely didn't have time to tinker with the offense too much the first half as he was trying to get this team to defend. The second half has his finger prints all over our offense.

It's clear as day what the plan is in the ozone as everyone is now doing it. Back to point and crash the net for tips and rebounds.

 

[surixon]

No denying that’s a reality but honestly other than Fiala, who are the big difference makers they went out and signed? Arvidsson? The Kings roster actually looks more realistic for Winnipeg than the one we have

Yeah, I wouldn't put LA in with the NYR who were able to trade and sign their way out of the rebuild.

LA made a couple shrewd moves but have been buoyed by a resurgence from Doughty and Kopitar as well as some of their kids like Vilardi, Durzi etc turning into good players to help that core group. Throw in some kids like Byfield and they should have a good shot at contending if they can develop quick enough.

 

[Buffdog]

This is where I am landing. The NHL playoffs teach us the same lesson every year, it is a new season.

If I was grading our odds of flipping the switch it wouldn’t be pretty but I will get my white out on and hope for a hot streak.

Lord knows we’re overdue

The good news is that the refs normally put the whistles away in the playoffs so our shit powerplay will be less of an issue

The downside is that we can't score 5v5 either lol

 

[tbcwpg]

No denying that’s a reality but honestly other than Fiala, who are the big difference makers they went out and signed? Arvidsson? The Kings roster actually looks more realistic for Winnipeg than the one we have

I think Danault was the big piece for them. Arvidsson filled a gap that they had but Danault and Fiala are two very good players for them. Nothing beats the impact of Doughty and Kopitar playing well though.

 

[Weezeric]

Over the past 25 games the Jets have had .892 goaltending. That’s not Vezina level.

 

[DRW204]

Delete. Totally misread post.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Almost like playing in a market that difference makers won't veto and willingly sign in, is an advantage.

Fiala doesn't have any trade protection.
Arvidsson doesn't either.
Danault was free to choose where he signed. He wanted to stay in Montreal but they didn't want him. It looks like he then went where the money was.

Almost like that market wasn't a factor.

 

[tbcwpg]

Fiala doesn't have any trade protection.
Arvidsson doesn't either.
Danault was free to choose where he signed. He wanted to stay in Montreal but they didn't want him. It looks like he then went where the money was.

Almost like that market wasn't a factor.

Sure, being in LA had no impact on where Danault went.

 

[gojetsgo]

Fiala doesn't have any trade protection.
Arvidsson doesn't either.
Danault was free to choose where he signed. He wanted to stay in Montreal but they didn't want him. It looks like he then went where the money was.

Almost like that market wasn't a factor.

hard to say market wasn't a factor in the fiala trade, yes he had no trade protection but he was an rfa with 1 year of control and instantly signed a 7 year extension with the kings, doubt he would have extended unless it was a market he wanted to play in

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Sure, being in LA had no impact on where Danault went.

I didn't say that.
He APPEARS to have gone for the money. We don't know who else was in on him or what they offered. I'm sure it didn't hurt being in LA. Whether or not it was a major factor is unknown. If it was, that would be ONE player contributing to their quick recovery based on location.

 

[LowLefty]

It's clear as day what the plan is in the ozone as everyone is now doing it. Back to point and crash the net for tips and rebounds.

I disagree - especially the "clear as day" part.
Our best players are not creating any turnovers in the nzone - and that is when the Jets perform the best and also happens to be the way they played early in the season. I've already posted something similar to this but it's worth repeating if we are going to slide back to the "systems / coaching" narrative that we like to fall back on when our best players are not getting it done.

We are not good off the rush - we struggle with zone entries.
Unless we are transitioning off a nzone turnover, we approach the ozone in slow mo, glide into the zone, and wonder why we don't have any options.
Without speed, it's tough to make plays other than curling back and sending it to the point. That is how our top 6 execute offense from our dzone, off the rush - very slowly. And every team we play know this, and defend it with a wall - because it shuts us down.

The major issue is our nzone play which is not creating turnovers - because we are a decent transition team that will gain the zone with speed when we are not faced with a wall of defense that we usually run into when we are starting our offense from our end.
Bones is not asking this group to stop the nzone back check - makes no sense. But the top 6 are not nearly as effective with nzone coverage as they were earlier. That, at least in part, is due to lack of effort. And lack of effort is what Bones has been calling out for months.

So, it you can't convince your best forwards to back check, and they insist on trying to beat the defensive wall in slow mo, you are left with limited options. We curl and go to the point - and at least hope for shots on net. It sucks that we play that what - but it is not by design.
It all comes down to effort in creating turnovers - we are not seeing that effort and it impacts our ability to play a high tempo game that would allow more offensive options off the rush.

Watch how the teams vs our top 6, exit their zone - they do it with speed and they do not run into any interference in the nzone - it open water all the way to our zone - and that includes good and poor teams. We leave that neutral zone wide open. That creates two problems: We start our offense from our end, and we do it slowly and against a 5 man wall, and two, we lose our transition game which is reliant on turnovers but opens up the ice and eliminates that wall.

IMO, that's as clear as day.

It's also ironic that our bottom 6 do not come in slow - they actually have speed behind the rush and usually gain the zone quickly. But they are also much more effective in creating nzone turnovers which translates to speed the other way.
Why are they more effective off the rush? Mostly effort in all zones. But they are not playing the same brand of offense as the top 6 - it's too bad they don't have the high skill shooters / finishers.

We did the same thing LY - we blamed poor execution on coaching / systems rather than the effort required to execute - especially with our top 6 offense. I thought our success early in the year would be proof enough that this team can be very good when they work hard.

 

[tbcwpg]

I didn't say that.
He APPEARS to have gone for the money. We don't know who else was in on him or what they offered. I'm sure it didn't hurt being in LA. Whether or not it was a major factor is unknown. If it was, that would be ONE player contributing to their quick recovery based on location.

It's just as much as an unknown as to him going there for the money. If you want to "maybe, maybe not" this I don't think we'll get anywhere.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

It's just as much as an unknown as to him going there for the money. If you want to "maybe, maybe not" this I don't think we'll get anywhere.

No, we have gotten somewhere. I said that it appears he went for the money because he got paid full value. But I suppose you could argue that as well. Market value is a matter of opinion. So Ignore that. IF he went there for the market, it is just one player. So ignore the IF. LAK turnaround still can't be placed on the market. Not for one non-franchise level player. Not this time.

 

[surixon]

I disagree - especially the "clear as day" part.
Our best players are not creating any turnovers in the nzone - and that is when the Jets perform the best and also happens to be the way they played early in the season. I've already posted something similar to this but it's worth repeating if we are going to slide back to the "systems / coaching" narrative that we like to fall back on when our best players are not getting it done.

We are not good off the rush - we struggle with zone entries.
Unless we are transitioning off a nzone turnover, we approach the ozone in slow mo, glide into the zone, and wonder why we don't have any options.
Without speed, it's tough to make plays other than curling back and sending it to the point. That is how our top 6 execute offense from our dzone, off the rush - very slowly. And every team we play know this, and defend it with a wall - because it shuts us down.

The major issue is our nzone play which is not creating turnovers - because we are a decent transition team that will gain the zone with speed when we are not faced with a wall of defense that we usually run into when we are starting our offense from our end.
Bones is not asking this group to stop the nzone back check - makes no sense. But the top 6 are not nearly as effective with nzone coverage as they were earlier. That, at least in part, is due to lack of effort. And lack of effort is what Bones has been calling out for months.

So, it you can't convince your best forwards to back check, and they insist on trying to beat the defensive wall in slow mo, you are left with limited options. We curl and go to the point - and at least hope for shots on net. It sucks that we play that what - but it is not by design.
It all comes down to effort in creating turnovers - we are not seeing that effort and it impacts our ability to play a high tempo game that would allow more offensive options off the rush.

Watch how the teams vs our top 6, exit their zone - they do it with speed and they do not run into any interference in the nzone - it open water all the way to our zone - and that includes good and poor teams. We leave that neutral zone wide open. That creates two problems: We start our offense from our end, and we do it slowly and against a 5 man wall, and two, we lose our transition game which is reliant on turnovers but opens up the ice and eliminates that wall.

IMO, that's as clear as day.

It's also ironic that our bottom 6 do not come in slow - they actually have speed behind the rush and usually gain the zone quickly. But they are also much more effective in creating nzone turnovers which translates to speed the other way.
Why are they more effective off the rush? Mostly effort in all zones. But they are not playing the same brand of offense as the top 6 - it's too bad they don't have the high skill shooters / finishers.

We did the same thing LY - we blamed poor execution on coaching / systems rather than the effort required to execute - especially with our top 6 offense. I thought our success early in the year would be proof enough that this team can be very good when they work hard.

I'm not talking about nz/rush play. I'm talking fully on what they do when they get possesion/sustained zone time in the ozone. It's completely basic and boring.

I agree with you on the issues with the nz part. Throw in slow zone exits and they don't generate speed off the rush which hurts that aspect of the game.