Eklund Rumor: Kings and Islanders talking multiplayer?

kilowatt

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I wouldn't put quick so high. To be honest our goaltender isn't that important with the defensive system we play Budja number are similar to what quicks would be now

I don't know about that. Quick steals games. He is more important to this team than he often gets credit for. If nothing else, it gives the team peace of mind that they can take chances and he can bail them put if need be. That confidence goes a long way.
 

KingsOfCali25

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I wouldn't put quick so high. To be honest our goaltender isn't that important with the defensive system we play Budja number are similar to what quicks would be now

The point is...that it is more so of how the importance of the Kings players are. Anyone in the Top4 is really untouchable (or way to expensive to be actually traded), the next 3 are unlikely to move but for the right HEAVILY favored in the Kings deal could go, and the next 2 are expendable but will only move for the right deal. Everyone else after that is far game.
 

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If Lombardi trades Carter, he's making a big mistake, IMO. Take him away and teams can focus on shutting down Toffoli. Dowd has been good, but thinking that, after only 11 games, he's ready to jump up and permanently replace Carter as #2C and keep Toffoli productive, a player whom he's never really played with, would be completely rash. LA can't afford to trade a veteran scoring forward and leader like that right now, not with the forward cupboard so bare of talent. They'd probably get a forward back, but he likely wouldn't be that good, since Halak's and Carter's caps almost cancel out, so the forward would probably be a cheap throw-in, more or less.

If I were Kings GM, I'd make Muzzin available. He's not as good as people think that he is and, therefore, his value as a trade piece is higher than it should be. He's coveted around the league, he has a $4M cap hit and he's been awful this season. That's the perfect place to start rebuilding the team. I know that the Islanders need scoring, but he's an offensive defenseman, so, perhaps, there'd be interest. If not, then there are other teams. LA would still have Martinez, who's a similar type of defenseman, more dependable, has been around longer and tends to come up bigger.

I also wonder if the Islanders would be interested in Purcell. I know that he's gotten in only 3 games, but I didn't understand why Lombardi signed him in the first place. He just wasn't made for the Western Conference, it seems. In fact, he'd played only 2 games before he became too "banged up" to play for 2 weeks. He could be better back in the East, perhaps playing alongside Tavares, in the same way that he had his best seasons alongside Stamkos, I believe. If the Islanders believe so, too, they might give something decent for him. Lombardi probably won't give up on him this early, though.
 
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I have watched almost every game and Muzzin has not looked terrible. He is a true #2 and can carry a 2nd pairing. I would not entertain trading him but that's my opinion.

As for Carter he is a 200 foot centre with speed and scoring prowess on a offensively challenged team. He can shift to RW once age catches up and give us two stud scorers from that position
 

Osprey

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I have watched almost every game and Muzzin has not looked terrible. He is a true #2 and can carry a 2nd pairing. I would not entertain trading him but that's my opinion.

I've watched almost every game and he's made mistakes that have hurt the team almost every night, while providing almost nothing. In 11 games, he has only 1 point (a goal, no assists), is a -4 and has taken 5 minor penalties. He's not carrying the 2nd pairing. Martinez, who's leading the team in points (with 9), is carrying it. It's a shame, IMO, that Martinez is so underappreciated while Muzzin (who's always been carried by his partners, not the other way around) gets all of the credit and is called the team's #2.

As for Carter he is a 200 foot centre with speed and scoring prowess on a offensively challenged team. He can shift to RW once age catches up and give us two stud scorers from that position

Those are good points. That speed is an important factor that I neglected. His size is another. Even when he's not scoring, he's backing teams off and generating possession. Because he was acquired only months after Sutter was hired, he may not receive quite the credit that he deserves for helping make LA the #1 possession team. Also, that's a good point that, when he's eventually replaced as #2C, he can shift over to the wing. It'd be better for them to have a young center earn the #2C and force Carter to the wing, rather than inherit it because Carter was forced off of the team. Carter does have a decent-sized cap hit, but there are not many players in the league that can replace what he brings (especially for less), IMO.
 

KingCanadain1976

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I don't know about that. Quick steals games. He is more important to this team than he often gets credit for. If nothing else, it gives the team peace of mind that they can take chances and he can bail them put if need be. That confidence goes a long way.

look at the numbers they don't get tons better with quick in net and quick out . The is at least the 2nd time hes been out. Our goalie number were fantastic when he was out the first time. Budja is posting equal number so far Losing carter would be a lot worse He holds that 2nd line together and plays a great game without him we would be alot worse imo
 

KingsOfCali25

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look at the numbers they don't get tons better with quick in net and quick out . The is at least the 2nd time hes been out. Our goalie number were fantastic when he was out the first time. Budja is posting equal number so far Losing carter would be a lot worse He holds that 2nd line together and plays a great game without him we would be alot worse imo

The Kings play WAY more defensive without Quick which leads to better numbers for the goalies. When Quick is back they open it up a bit offensively and the number stay the same. Because Quick is good enough to keep them at the defensive level they had without him. When they go full defensive with Quick in net...his numbers and the team numbers go up.

Quick is that big of a factor. Hell! He could have already stolen a game or 2 this season.
 

KingCanadain1976

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The Kings play WAY more defensive without Quick which leads to better numbers for the goalies. When Quick is back they open it up a bit offensively and the number stay the same. Because Quick is good enough to keep them at the defensive level they had without him. When they go full defensive with Quick in net...his numbers and the team numbers go up.

Quick is that big of a factor. Hell! He could have already stolen a game or 2 this season.

I agree they play more defensive without quick However quick lets in a lot of soft goals as well Its a give and take with him Quicks value is in must win type games late in the season and playoffs Right now I would rather him out then Carter We need a more offensive center then we need a goalie of his caliber Its all a matter of opinion neither of us are right and neither of us is wrong its all opinion my friend.
 

McSuper

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Interesting rumor that the Kings and Islanders are talking about a multiplayer trade. Links below:

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklu...-Halak-Ramo-on-ice-for-Leafs-Buzz-5pm/1/80431

http://eyesonisles.com/2016/11/04/new-york-islanders-looking-make-deal-kings/

The second article is crazy to think that the Kings would trade Carter, considering we have trouble scoring. But curious to see what Islanders fans would propose to solve both of our problems.

So we know it will be the opposite . Kings 6th and 7th round picks for the NYI 5th round pick . So a nothing for nothing trade which is a waste of both GM times so they decide to pass on the deal . I have my sources as well
 

HawkeyTalkMan

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Why is this even being considered given the source?

Its also two teams with little to no cap space in a multi player deal.

Its a little too early for each team to go full blown panic and make a major multi player deal.

Most teams take snapshot views of their teams in quarter seasons to assess issues (~20 games at a time). We arent even there yet
 

leeroggy

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Something that might be okay to both teams:

Butch Goring back to LA for the rights to Dave Lewis and Billy Harris

Reasons it works . . .

It worked great for the Isles the first time

LA gets an experienced color commentator in waiting and NY fans get ear relief

NY gets an experienced NHL head coach in order to light a fire under Capuano and someone who can fill in as an interim HC

Harris balances out the salary differential and keeps both organizations under the Organization Cap

Goring needs to go to a team with less long names to pronounce . . . French Canadian names are a particular issue with him. Brown, Doughty and Carter are right in his wheelhouse.

Harris is a natural RW and might well get some ice time with JT as the season progresses

We could add a 7th in 2020 going to LA if this is not enough for LA fans to put up with Butch's Butcherings . . .
 
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Sparksrus3

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Something that might be okay to both teams:

Butch Goring back to LA for the rights to Dave Lewis and Billy Harris

Reasons it works . . .

It worked great for the Isles the first time

LA gets an experienced color commentator in waiting and NY fans get ear relief

NY gets an experienced NHL head coach in order to light a fire under Capuano and someone who can fill in as an interim HC

Harris balances out the salary differential and keeps both organizations under the Organization Cap

Goring needs to go to a team with less long names to pronounce . . . French Canadian names are a particular issue with him. Brown, Doughty and Carter are right in his wheelhouse.

Harris is a natural RW and might well get some ice time with JT as the season progresses

We could add a 7th in 2020 going to LA if this is not enough for LA fans to put up with Butch's Butcherings . . .

There is no worse out there than Butch.
Then he tries extra hard to not be a homer. Always giving the refs credit . Guess he wants to start working national,games for NBC . At this point I would put him back behind the bench and get rid of Cappy and dead weight.
As for a big trade, these two teams have a long trade history.
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go4hockey

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I have watched almost every game and Muzzin has not looked terrible. He is a true #2 and can carry a 2nd pairing. I would not entertain trading him but that's my opinion.

As for Carter he is a 200 foot centre with speed and scoring prowess on a offensively challenged team. He can shift to RW once age catches up and give us two stud scorers from that position

You are right on both fronts. People think players should be perfect and rant and rave over every little mistake. If the Kings moved Muzzin it would cost us 6+ million to try to replace him. He is a solid #2 and signed so cheap for what he brings. Not to bring up he is the rock of our 2nd pairing and if our depth was better he would be top pair with Drew. Poor guy is so under appreciated by lots of King fans.
 

SI90

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Muzzin is so underrated. Really good defenseman and still relatively young. Don't see the Kings in any hurry to move him.
 

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