Rumor: KINGS 2018-19 Season - The Luc and Rob Show

[DryIslandBartender]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>Also, I am hearing three teams with "serious" interest in Mats Zuccarello... Los Angeles, Phoenix and Ottawa...yes Ottawa.<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Barf. Mats is not a bad player, but is 5'8" and 31 years old now....why would Blake want to keep adding SMALLER players over 30?
Speed...speed..speed! Up tempo! Play with pace! (whatever that is..pace can be slow, methodical, no precise execution)

"he plays with pace" great!!

Can't be adding more smallish players over 30. When was the last time the Kings acquired a GOOD player, under 24 years of age?

It’s just a rumor. Kings given their situation will be listed as interested in nearly every rumor.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

It’s a frame of context to illustrate how spoiled King fans have become.

A lot of bad decisions set the Kings back for years during that era, which became the undoing of the Kings after 2014, but for the hell of it, here’s the Dave Taylor era Kings that he drafted from ‘97-‘05.

Frolov-Kopitar-Brown
Tambellini-Jokinen-Cammalleri
Bednar-Reinprecht-Parse
Steckel-Boyle-Parros

Visnovsky-Corvo
Grebeshkov-Kaberle
Lilja-Biron

Quick-Huet

After the Jokinen draft in 1997, the highest the Kings would pick would be 11th or below, the proverbial black hole that Lombardi talked about in the past.

Not a very deep team, and Taylor’s drafted blueline was very dreadful beyond Lubo. Found quite a few gems among forwards, but had far more misses.

Mistakes at the draft can be critical. You’re not going to have any flawless draft, but as we’ve seen of late, not finding any talent beyond the first round and failing to draft any talented forwards for a number of years has the team trying to play catch up.

There’s a big reason why there’s virtually no depth up front. The talent isn’t there.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>Also, I am hearing three teams with "serious" interest in Mats Zuccarello... Los Angeles, Phoenix and Ottawa...yes Ottawa.<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Barf. Mats is not a bad player, but is 5'8" and 31 years old now....why would Blake want to keep adding SMALLER players over 30?
Speed...speed..speed! Up tempo! Play with pace! (whatever that is..pace can be slow, methodical, no precise execution)

"he plays with pace" great!!

Can't be adding more smallish players over 30. When was the last time the Kings acquired a GOOD player, under 24 years of age?

It would be the same thing....UFA at end of year, creating more flexibility....question is what can he trade for him? Picks would be idiotic, Toffoli, Muzzin, Martinez would be just as idiotic.... unless they know of a player they are done with, Ladue, Wagner, Luff etc ??

With Quick on LTIR they have room to acquire him, but Quick is supposed to be back within 2-3 weeks.... unless it's Lewis and a prospect etc, I don't see anything to be done...

 

[riznat]

Stocking up players to sell at the deadline worries me, 1 injury and that plan is out the window.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Stocking up players to sell at the deadline worries me, 1 injury and that plan is out the window.

It's also term though....

 

[Fat Elvis]

Rebuild vs Retool

What side of the isle do you stand?

 

[Reaper45]

Rebuild vs Retool

What side of the isle do you stand?

Depends on who they got in trades.

 

[KingsHockey24]

Rebuild vs Retool

What side of the isle do you stand?

Rebuild.

Let Muzzin, Carter, Martinez, Lewis, and Toffoli go while they still have the little value they hold. They aren't getting any younger.

 

[Fat Elvis]

Depends on who they got in trades.

Reap, you don't come across as a fence walker...take a side.

 

[Reaper45]

Reap, you don't come across as a fence walker...take a side.

Haha too true. I say rebuild but not scorched earth. Move the obvious targets from Carter down. Either no one can or will take Kopitar, Brown, Kovalchuk, Doughty and Quick. So build around them and the kids. Quick is going to be on LTIR for good sooner than later and I want to see him and Brown retire as Kings.

 

[Bandit]

My thoughts exactly. I also wonder if AEG is getting too cheap to bring in a focus group. The complaints would have been obvious then.

Total amateur hour by marketing.

I wonder what sales have been like on the previous 3 iterations of this garbage. I can't imagine they were good. That alone should be an indication to these bozos.

 

[DryIslandBartender]

A lot of bad decisions set the Kings back for years during that era, which became the undoing of the Kings after 2014, but for the hell of it, here’s the Dave Taylor era Kings that he drafted from ‘97-‘05.

Frolov-Kopitar-Brown
Tambellini-Jokinen-Cammalleri
Bednar-Reinprecht-Parse
Steckel-Boyle-Parros

Visnovsky-Corvo
Grebeshkov-Kaberle
Lilja-Biron

Quick-Huet

After the Jokinen draft in 1997, the highest the Kings would pick would be 11th or below, the proverbial black hole that Lombardi talked about in the past.

Not a very deep team, and Taylor’s drafted blueline was very dreadful beyond Lubo. Found quite a few gems among forwards, but had far more misses.

Mistakes at the draft can be critical. You’re not going to have any flawless draft, but as we’ve seen of late, not finding any talent beyond the first round and failing to draft any talented forwards for a number of years has the team trying to play catch up.

There’s a big reason why there’s virtually no depth up front. The talent isn’t there.

Pretty terrible, the fact that Taylor whiffed so hard on the 2003 draft (Tambellini and Boyle) is unforgivable. That did him in. Then again, he was hamstrung by a AEG and didn’t have a large scouting department.

You complain about not finding top 6 towards but DL acquired Carter, Richards, Gaborik, Lucic to fill those voids. Which goes back to my earlier point, none of the assets we gave up turned into anything, much less a top 6 guy.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Rebuild vs Retool

What side of the isle do you stand?

Rebuild.

The rebuild is already underway (in a sense) with the last 2 drafts. Plus drafting Clague the draft before. Vilardi, Kupari, JAD, Thomas, Clague, Brickley (he will be very good) Campbell, Petersen.
Kupari will be the best King forward drafted since Kopitar and begin making an impact next season...as should Vilardi, JAD, Clague and Brickley.

Then draft one of: Hughes, Cozens, Kakko, Dach (top 4 wherever we fall) and then add lots of good assets for: Quick, Carter, Muzzin, Martinez, etc, the rebuild is about half done.

Blow it up/.

 

[KingsHockey24]

Rebuild.

The rebuild is already underway (in a sense) with the last 2 drafts. Plus drafting Clague the draft before. Vilardi, Kupari, JAD, Thomas, Clague, Brickley (he will be very good) Campbell, Petersen.
Kupari will be the best King forward drafted since Kopitar and begin making an impact next season...as should Vilardi, JAD, Clague and Brickley.

Then draft one of: Hughes, Cozens, Kakko, Dach (top 4 wherever we fall) and then add lots of good assets for: Quick, Carter, Muzzin, Martinez, etc, the rebuild is about half done.

Blow it up/.

Brickley is almost 24 and is putting up terrible stats in the AHL. I don't think he'll be very good.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Brickley is almost 24 and is putting up terrible stats in the AHL. I don't think he'll be very good.

Many NHL teams were after him...he has excellent tools. He looked fine in that last game of the season, last year. Looked ok in training camp.
He will put it together. People forget that Voynov played 3 full seasons in Manchester. Clague and Brickley will both need 1 to 2 years. Fine

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Pretty terrible, the fact that Taylor whiffed so hard on the 2003 draft (Tambellini and Boyle) is unforgivable. That did him in. Then again, he was hamstrung by a AEG and didn’t have a large scouting department.

You complain about not finding top 6 towards but DL acquired Carter, Richards, Gaborik, Lucic to fill those voids. Which goes back to my earlier point, none of the assets we gave up turned into anything, much less a top 6 guy.

Gotta love this new trend of giving all the credit for 12-14 to Dave f***ing Taylor of all people. What a joke.

Also love how everyone pretends the Doughty pick was a clear cut #2 when there was a gigantic movement at the time on this very board to take Bogosian at #2. There were a few advocating for a Pietrangelo pick, too.

The scouting report at the time was:

- Doughty is the most NHL ready. Great hockey IQ, questionable conditioning and physicality.
- Bogosian is a physical specimen, the best physical defenseman available.
- Schenn is a bruising upper echelon shutdown D.
- Pietrangelo arguably has the highest ceiling of them all. Project pick.

At the time, there were a lot of posters here who wanted Bogosian because “we already have a #1 PMD in Hickey.”

 

[Lt Dan]

It's time to call napalm in. Burn it and start over. This time I will make sure that Forrest doesn't carry anyone to safety.
I'll shoot him in the buttox myself if I have to

 

[Maynard]

It's time to call napalm in. Burn it and start over. This time I will make sure that Forrest doesn't carry anyone to safety.
I'll shoot him in the buttox myself if I have to

Your new wife “Susan” looks like she tried to French kiss a bee hive.

 

[KINGS17]

Rebuild vs Retool

What side of the isle do you stand?

REBUILD!!!

 

[Lt Dan]

Your new wife “Susan” looks like she tried to French kiss a bee hive.

She smells like cigarettes too

 

[DryIslandBartender]

Gotta love this new trend of giving all the credit for 12-14 to Dave ****ing Taylor of all people. What a joke.

Also love how everyone pretends the Doughty pick was a clear cut #2 when there was a gigantic movement at the time on this very board to take Bogosian at #2. There were a few advocating for a Pietrangelo pick, too.

The scouting report at the time was:

- Doughty is the most NHL ready. Great hockey IQ, questionable conditioning and physicality.
- Bogosian is a physical specimen, the best physical defenseman available.
- Schenn is a bruising upper echelon shutdown D.
- Pietrangelo arguably has the highest ceiling of them all. Project pick.

At the time, there were a lot of posters here who wanted Bogosian because “we already have a #1 PMD in Hickey.”

No question that Quick and Kopitar wouldn’t be who they are today if Taylor or some other shill were running the Kings during that period.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Gotta love this new trend of giving all the credit for 12-14 to Dave ****ing Taylor of all people. What a joke.

Also love how everyone pretends the Doughty pick was a clear cut #2 when there was a gigantic movement at the time on this very board to take Bogosian at #2. There were a few advocating for a Pietrangelo pick, too.

The scouting report at the time was:

- Doughty is the most NHL ready. Great hockey IQ, questionable conditioning and physicality.
- Bogosian is a physical specimen, the best physical defenseman available.
- Schenn is a bruising upper echelon shutdown D.
- Pietrangelo arguably has the highest ceiling of them all. Project pick.

At the time, there were a lot of posters here who wanted Bogosian because “we already have a #1 PMD in Hickey.”

Doubly scary because of the time period. Wasn't exactly the era of the elite PMD.

 

[KingsFan7824]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>Also, I am hearing three teams with "serious" interest in Mats Zuccarello... Los Angeles, Phoenix and Ottawa...yes Ottawa.<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Barf. Mats is not a bad player, but is 5'8" and 31 years old now....why would Blake want to keep adding SMALLER players over 30?
Speed...speed..speed! Up tempo! Play with pace! (whatever that is..pace can be slow, methodical, no precise execution)

"he plays with pace" great!!

Can't be adding more smallish players over 30. When was the last time the Kings acquired a GOOD player, under 24 years of age?

Can you name the long list of players under 24 that most other teams have acquired through trade? Lindros, but it took Forsberg and half a roster of other players. Pronger, but it took a HoF guy. I'm sure there are others, but it can't be that long of a list.

It would be the same thing....UFA at end of year, creating more flexibility....question is what can he trade for him? Picks would be idiotic, Toffoli, Muzzin, Martinez would be just as idiotic.... unless they know of a player they are done with, Ladue, Wagner, Luff etc ??

With Quick on LTIR they have room to acquire him, but Quick is supposed to be back within 2-3 weeks.... unless it's Lewis and a prospect etc, I don't see anything to be done...

Just like Pearson/Hagelin, Zuccarello's cap hit is almost identical to Toffoli's.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Gotta love this new trend of giving all the credit for 12-14 to Dave ****ing Taylor of all people. What a joke.

Also love how everyone pretends the Doughty pick was a clear cut #2 when there was a gigantic movement at the time on this very board to take Bogosian at #2. There were a few advocating for a Pietrangelo pick, too.

The scouting report at the time was:

- Doughty is the most NHL ready. Great hockey IQ, questionable conditioning and physicality.
- Bogosian is a physical specimen, the best physical defenseman available.
- Schenn is a bruising upper echelon shutdown D.
- Pietrangelo arguably has the highest ceiling of them all. Project pick.

At the time, there were a lot of posters here who wanted Bogosian because “we already have a #1 PMD in Hickey.”

Doughty was a clear cut #2 if anyone paid any attention. Those murmurs of anyone else being selected at that spot were greatly exaggerated. All of the defensemen you mentioned were considered below Doughty, and although a few here may have wanted tougher or bigger defensemen, the clear cut player ahead of all of the aforementioned names was Doughty. Without any doubt.

Whoever considered Hickey a #1 puck moving defenseman is delusional, and nobody here is giving Dave Taylor all the credit for those Cup runs.

What is a joke is ignoring facts, making up false narratives, and clinging onto events that took place five years ago. That is just sad. It would be like Ducks fans yearning for Brian Burke and 2007, or Penguins clamoring for Ray Shero and Dan Bylsma.

We have the lasting memory of two Cup banners, and the Mike Richards settlement cap hit that will constantly remind us of 2012 and 2014. They also should have never let go of Jamie Kompon.

And the Kings are enjoying the fruits of Lombardi's labor today with all of the talent he's stocked up over the years. That's why we're all enjoying their current last place position in the league.

 

[KINGS17]

There is plenty to criticize Dean Lombardi for when it comes to his drafting over the last few seasons of his tenure. However, the draft is just one element of a GM's job.

Lombardi did something far more difficult than drafting talent. He changed the entire culture of the Kings organization. Something we can see now is not easy to maintain. He did it by demanding the young players in the development program performed up to the expectations he had for them. Problem was once they won a couple of cups, he got soft on them.