KHL Attendance

[bobbeaver]

I believe the figure he was referring to was 12k arenas is the rule. When you look into the future its not so bad

CSKA from 5k to 12k (legends hypothetically)
DYM from 8k to 12k VTB
Donbass from 4k to 13k
Barys 4 to 12k

all of those projects have begun and will be completed within 2 years.

Sibir 7k to 15k
Torpedo from 5k to 15k

are in the planning stages and there was also chatter that SKA was planning a new building. These are baby steps, but slowly, each year the attendance figure will rise. I don't believe that KHL moves into a new team unless there is a plans to build a new arena in the future (exception to Lada).

and Valerange i dont think there is a 12k arena there yet

 

[malkinfan]

and Valerange i dont think there is a 12k arena there yet

Yes Yes I meant to say that KHL goes there with intentions of there being a new arena built somewhere in Norway. Just like when they moved a team to Poprad just to break into Slovakia because KHL was taboo there before. Then they sprouted a team in Pragu and Bratislava soon after with long term intentions of gaining access to O2. So really they moved from Poprad ~5K to Bratislava and Prague both >10K. Looking back, it was a good tactical move going to Poprad, maybe they hope the same effect will occur in Norway. Valerenga is merely the entry point

 

[Jonimaus]

I believe the figure he was referring to was 12k arenas is the rule. When you look into the future its not so bad

CSKA from 5k to 12k (legends hypothetically)
DYM from 8k to 12k VTB
Donbass from 4k to 13k
Barys 4 to 12k

all of those projects have begun and will be completed within 2 years.

Sibir 7k to 15k
Torpedo from 5k to 15k

are in the planning stages and there was also chatter that SKA was planning a new building. These are baby steps, but slowly, each year the attendance figure will rise. I don't believe that KHL moves into a new team unless there is a plans to build a new arena in the future (exception to Lada).

So, a ton of the teams will sit on somewhere around 30-40% audience for probably several years?
That also rules out Sweden instantly by the way (not that it already wasn't). Hockey is not anywhere near popular enough in the big cities of Sweden to fill a 12,000 arena on a regular basis. Especially considering there would be a huge drop in attendance for probably at least a decade if a team made a switch before the interest would come.

 

[airbus1094]

So, a ton of the teams will sit on somewhere around 30-40% audience for probably several years?
That also rules out Sweden instantly by the way (not that it already wasn't). Hockey is not anywhere near popular enough in the big cities of Sweden to fill a 12,000 arena on a regular basis. Especially considering there would be a huge drop in attendance for probably at least a decade if a team made a switch before the interest would come.

CSKA and DYM may have around 50% attendance for a while given that they don't sell out right now, but Barys and Donbass could easily have 10-12k a game especially with the teams playing well and the excitement of a new arena. I don't think that there is any doubt that the new stadiums will boost attendance. I don't know too much regarding Sweden, and I think it'll be the last Scandinavian country to join the KHL (if it does that is) and looking at current attendance numbers, the top teams are averaging over 6k per home game that it would be a nearly impossible to the make the jump to 12k, maybe 10, but that a long shot. I believe that many of the current teams in the KHL could boost attendance into the 10k range in the coming years, but I have to agree with you that it's a long shot in Sweden where there is already solid infrastructure and marketing. (Frölunda has high attendance though . . .)

 

[Jonimaus]

CSKA and DYM may have around 50% attendance for a while given that they don't sell out right now, but Barys and Donbass could easily have 10-12k a game especially with the teams playing well and the excitement of a new arena. I don't think that there is any doubt that the new stadiums wont boost attendance. I don't know too much regarding Sweden, and I think it'll be the last Scandinavian country to join the KHL (if it does that is) and looking at current attendance numbers, the top teams are averaging over 6k per home game that it would be a nearly impossible to the make the jump to 12k, maybe 10, but that a long shot. I believe that many of the current teams in the KHL could boost attendance into the 10k range in the coming years, but I have to agree with you that it's a long shot in Sweden where there is already solid infrastructure and marketing. (Frölunda has high attendance though . . .)

Hockey is only very popular in Sweden is "small towns" (most of them in northern Sweden), that will never be able to fill a 12,000 arena. As you mentioned Gothenburg with Frölunda is the only team that could ever potentially reach it. Malmö has a sweet arena, pretty decent following, but I think around 7,000-8,000 is their cap, based on how much football rules that town. (A football player getting injured months before season starts is bigger news than the hockey team playing some of the most important games in the teams history...).

A team joining KHL though as I mentioned will instantly decrease a ton of interest in the team, and I can not imagine how a team would be able to survive the first years.

 

[airbus1094]

Hockey is only very popular in Sweden is "small towns" (most of them in northern Sweden), that will never be able to fill a 12,000 arena. As you mentioned Gothenburg with Frölunda is the only team that could ever potentially reach it. Malmö has a sweet arena, pretty decent following, but I think around 7,000-8,000 is their cap, based on how much football rules that town. (A football player getting injured months before season starts is bigger news than the hockey team playing some of the most important games in the teams history...).

A team joining KHL though as I mentioned will instantly decrease a ton of interest in the team, and I can not imagine how a team would be able to survive the first years.

Perhaps if other Scandinavian teams join, then it would be interesting for sweeden, but atm sweeden wouldn't do much to boost attendance, we need better infrastructure and good marketing for existing teams much more than we need new clubs to join the league.

 

[Jonimaus]

Perhaps if other Scandinavian teams join, then it would be interesting for sweeden, but atm sweeden wouldn't do much to boost attendance, we need better infrastructure and good marketing for existing teams much more than we need new clubs to join the league.

Not at all. Swedes are interested in other swedish clubs. Not 25 russian clubs noone has ever heard of in the country. Finnish clubs would garner some interest, but only alongside several swedish ones, for the rest of scandinavia, Swedish fans couldn't care less, a club from Norway is hardly noteworthy, even less so since Norway is a much weaker hockey nation and there's no rivalry between the countries, from the swedish side at least (guess a really small one in cross country skiing, but meh). Inviting 1 or 2 swedish clubs is, and will always be doomed to fail. Creating a new rivalry will take a decade, and as I have stated before, noone will go watch the games against russians teams. There is not a single famous russian club in Sweden. CSKA could be "slightly famous" since it's a throwback to the soviet days, but that's about it.