KHL Attendance
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true but you can figure it out anyhow, people who bought the tickets online are exact. Some may not come but that is in terms of tens of people. Add the tickets bought on game day (not that many and they will certainly come). Add the season holder tickets who go through a counter, and you get a 97% accurate attendance. Empty seats are usually sponsor seat, who dont go into the attendance numbers. I mean there is always panoramic view of the stadium and you can see the attendance. Not like you could cheat you know.
Atlas is right in khl and europe there will always be a need for sponsors. The big attendance, tv rights can minimize reliance on sponsors by covering minimal working conditions. I mean if one big sponsor pulls out, the club can survive till you find another sponsor. But i doubt they will ever replace the need for sponsors.
Do you think the KHL's goal is to switch to franchises instead of clubs one day?
Whats the difference really? If oyu mean purely business based gate driven? no. The people dont have that kind of money NHL is charging, and even those who do (Sweden, Norway, Germany...) dont have the the tendency (for the lack of a better word right now) to spend that kind of money for a game that is not a weekly thing. Football tickets lets say in Germany dont coast as much as they could because they have sponsors. This is almost like extra money. Attendance is more to lure the sponsors and TV ratings.
Also franchises dont have their own sport schools through all categories.
Clubs will be a sort of a hybrid, not a franchise but not club as they were. They will be gate driven to cover their minimal expenses to have some security if a sponsor falls through, and ofc to get new sponsors and TV money. Basically to not be so extremely reliant on sponsors, o have some source of income they produce. But Sponsors will always be there. Thats is why (along with local peoples buying power) tickets wount be as high but the goal is to have NHL attendance. Also why i say clubs will be a hybrid is the draft. Draft is a classical franchise event. But unlike regular NHL darfts, each team can have certain amount of vetos for a player from their school, where they basically take him without lossing a draft pick if they wish. And from there teams work like franchises with their affiliate VHL farm team (although not all VHL teams are farm teams nor do all KHL clubs have farm teams in VHL).
Also franchises dont have their own sport schools through all categories.
Clubs will be a sort of a hybrid, not a franchise but not club as they were. They will be gate driven to cover their minimal expenses to have some security if a sponsor falls through, and ofc to get new sponsors and TV money. Basically to not be so extremely reliant on sponsors, o have some source of income they produce. But Sponsors will always be there. Thats is why (along with local peoples buying power) tickets wount be as high but the goal is to have NHL attendance. Also why i say clubs will be a hybrid is the draft. Draft is a classical franchise event. But unlike regular NHL darfts, each team can have certain amount of vetos for a player from their school, where they basically take him without lossing a draft pick if they wish. And from there teams work like franchises with their affiliate VHL farm team (although not all VHL teams are farm teams nor do all KHL clubs have farm teams in VHL).
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Attendance is not how many tickets you sell (or give to sponsors) but how many people enter the arena. Some days cap is at 6000, some at 6500, once we said its 7500 in dom sportova.
There are 5501 seats there.
It's a very long way. Could have an indication though. The ticket prices in the KHL are maybe 25-30% of the NHL averge price. The salaries are roughly at 50%. When those two numbers can get real close, no matter if it's 100% or 10% then we can talk about franchises in the KHL.
5.5 were the number of seats before the rink was shrunk and some additional work was done. its 6.5 now. I dn who said there were 7.5 but if you mean the increase of attendance in the statistics above the capacity was due to Arena Zagreb being sold out (15k seats), and DS is always sold out.
No its not. I've missed 1 game this season and they were not all sold out, not even by a margin. 5 were sold out tops.
sold out ≠ 100% filled
to be 100% filled :
- the away-block have to be filled with away-fans
- the free-tickets for sponsors and families have to be filled
- everyone who bought a ticket have to be in arena
- every seasonticket-holder have to be on his seat
thats almost impossible, because this empty seats can´t be filled with people who didn´t get a ticket, but are wanting one.
in every sport, it´s common to count a game as attendence:100% if the demand of normal tickets can´t be covered.
and in medvescak´s case its not a tragady to lose your 50kuna if you change your plans on gameday.
Ok but explain to me one thing guys NHL games have 101%. or in Blackhawks 109% attendance. how does that work? It really depends what is measured. Do balckhawks count tickets and if someone doesnt show in lets say 10-15 min after the start of the game they resell them and count as those extra % or what?
If that is how it works than Medvescak still has 100% attendance if its a sell out.
Why are you comparing KHL to NHL? Why would they charge the same amount of money in the KHL? Where did you get that conclusion from? KHL is not competing with NHL - the overall popularity of the sport in Europe is lower than in North America, so the ceiling for team budgets and the quality of play is lower as well (IF the league would operate in a healthy free market environment).
And what you're saying about Europe is incorrect. The price is linked to demand, not just to how developed the countries are. Furthermore, Northern Europe, Germany is just as developed as USA/Canada, while Central Europe, Moscow, St. Petersburg aren't exactly third world countries.
The real problem is the fact that Russia is a post-communist country and contrary to Czech Republic, Latvia, etc., they're not used to a market-based approach. They're mimicking a market-based approach, but at the end of the day the KHL is financed almost exclusively by governmental funds. They could run the league without any spectators.
The games are broadcast by governmental/regional TV channels and in Russia they have the absolute monopoly. There's no real competition. Media is state-controlled. A 'TV deal' in Russia is not a real word. There are no TV deals.
It's the same thing with ticket prices. The Russian public expects the tickets to be ridiculously cheap, they don't really consider hockey a product. They feel entitled to watch it and they're not willing to pay. Just like during the Soviet times.
This is slowly changing and the wealthier cities are leading the way, but they're still light years away from reaching an actual market-based approach. And it's not because it wouldn't be possible, it's because the Russians don't like it. They don't want a self-sufficient hockey league, they want a *great* hockey league and they want it now.
Alessandro Seren Rosso
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What do you mean? It was a response to thevreelander and bobbeaver. We're having a discussion.
That's what people do on HFBoards.
Alessandro Seren Rosso
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What do you mean? It was a response to thevreelander and bobbeaver. We're having a discussion.
I mean, that mostly it looks like you wrote criticizing, but why?
boris4c
Quid infantes sumus.
What are ticket prices looking like in the KHL, and how different are they from team to team?
I know that KHL Medvescak tickets cost about $10 on average but I'm wondering if teams with a longer tradition can afford to rack up the prices a bit more.
I know that KHL Medvescak tickets cost about $10 on average but I'm wondering if teams with a longer tradition can afford to rack up the prices a bit more.
It feels like the Moscow teams, who struggle getting a high attendance, will need to lower the price when their new arenas are fully constructed and ready to play in, go gain a high average attendance.
Maybe teams like SKA, Amur, Admiral, Avangard or Riga could rack up the price?
martin1983
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Slovan season tickets prices are
- Fanclub members €199 ,-
- Goal Line seats €529 ,-
- Side Line seats €559 ,-
- For disabled fans €199 ,-
Standard individual game ticket are from €16 to €20..
In this season Slovan has more expensive season tickets by 80% but standard ticket price are cheaper...
I'm not sure if 80% is correct number, my memory is not what it used to be, but I heard it in interview with Slovan GM.
- Fanclub members €199 ,-
- Goal Line seats €529 ,-
- Side Line seats €559 ,-
- For disabled fans €199 ,-
Standard individual game ticket are from €16 to €20..
In this season Slovan has more expensive season tickets by 80% but standard ticket price are cheaper...
I'm not sure if 80% is correct number, my memory is not what it used to be, but I heard it in interview with Slovan GM.
Because those are my thoughts about the KHL. The whole league is built top-down. It is completely unnatural and is bound to fail in the long-term, unless things are changed.
I'd love to have a pan-European hockey league and the KHL could be the framework on which it could be based on, but it doesn't look like the KHL management is going in that direction. They're still relying on nationalist sentiment and claiming it is a Russian league meant for the development of Russian hockey, etc. Creating a hockey club in subtropics with no hockey culture just to mimick NHL expansion, a team in Vladivostok, etc.
It's just hard to find anything good to say about the league. They're doing all the wrong things.
Season tickets for Dinamo Riga cost from €142 for crappy seats in the upper bowl to €720 for great seats. Also possible to buy an €3000 VIP option.
The ticket price for a single game ranges from €8 to €36, so the average should be around €20.
I think you didnt read my post right at all, and in some cases you said what i said partly (omitting other things) and in others you missed the point compleatly. Im not saying your post is wrong in general or not, but it isnt a reply to my post, and im to lasy and it would take to much time to go over each point.
Ill give you one major point you missed. The question was not how it is now, but WILL it be... we were talking of the future. As well as KHL and NHL are a different brand of the same product so are comparable. And pls stop with the Russia bashing. Or any kind of bashing it really gets tiring from both sides.
